ACIM -- Fatal Flaw

[Sidney Lambe]

So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and complex
Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you give the book
of Genesis any credence, God said that it was all Good.

So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter? That
only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then what is
the POINT of physical reality?

This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical clothes.
The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.

God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and any
book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.

Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if they
seem enlightened.

Sid

[HappyD]

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and complex
Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you give the book
of Genesis any credence, God said that it was all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter? That
only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then what is
the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical clothes.
The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and any
book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if they
seem enlightened.
Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?

The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by HappyD

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and complex
Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you give the book
of Genesis any credence, God said that it was all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter? That
only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then what is
the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical clothes.
The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and any
book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if they
seem enlightened.

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?

Why don't you tell everyone exactly how much I've read of it.

Shouldn't be a problem for an Advanced Being(tm) like you.

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over again
that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a degraded
dimension scarcely worth mentioning.

This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some of it
and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by it.

Sid

[HappyD]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by HappyD

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and complex
Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you give the book
of Genesis any credence, God said that it was all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter? That
only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then what is
the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical clothes.
The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and any
book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if they
seem enlightened.

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?

Why don't you tell everyone exactly how much I've read of it.
Shouldn't be a problem for an Advanced Being(tm) like you.

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over again
that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a degraded
dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some of it
and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by it.
Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com

You should read the whole book before drawing conclusions. So what if
there repulsed, they can put it down and move onto something else.

[Carrie]

Post by HappyD

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by HappyD

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and complex
Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you give the book
of Genesis any credence, God said that it was all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter? That
only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then what is
the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical clothes.
The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and any
book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if they
seem enlightened.

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?

Why don't you tell everyone exactly how much I've read of it.
Shouldn't be a problem for an Advanced Being(tm) like you.

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over again
that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a degraded
dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some of it
and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by it.
Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com

You should read the whole book before drawing conclusions. So what if
there repulsed, they can put it down and move onto something else.

Right

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, HappyD

On Dec 7, 6:35=A0am, Sidney Lambe

On talk.religion.course-miracle, HappyD

On Dec 7, 6:08=3DA0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and
complex Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you
give the book of Genesis any credence, God said that it was
all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter?
That only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then
what is the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical .
Thclothes e Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and
any book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if
they seem enlightened.

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?

Why don't you tell everyone exactly how much I've read of it.
Shouldn't be a problem for an Advanced Being(tm) like you.

The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over again
that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a degraded
dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some of
it and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by it.
Sid

You should read the whole book before drawing conclusions.

You should think before posting.

So what if there repulsed, they can put it down and move onto
something else.

I think people will do what they want to do and generally not
give a fig what you think about it.

Just a hunch.

The next problem I have with ACIM is its stupid definition of
"miracle".

These two definitions have been around forever:

1 : an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs

2 : an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/miracle

ACIM has another definition and therefore it should use a
different word.


Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by HappyD

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and complex
Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you give the book
of Genesis any credence, God said that it was all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter? That
only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then what is
the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical clothes.
The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and any
book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if they
seem enlightened.

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?

Why don't you tell everyone exactly how much I've read of it.
Shouldn't be a problem for an Advanced Being(tm) like you.

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over again
that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a degraded
dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some of it
and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here?
If you don't like it, believe in it and think it's an obscure cult,
why would you want to give attention to it?

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

On talk.religion.course-miracle, HappyD

On Dec 7, 6:08=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and
complex Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you
give the book of Genesis any credence, God said that it was
all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter?
That only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then
what is the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical .
Thclothes e Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural .
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and
any book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if
they seem enlightened.

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?

Why don't you tell everyone exactly how much I've read of it.
Shouldn't be a problem for an Advanced Being(tm) like you.

The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over again
that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a degraded
dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some of
it and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here? If you
don't like it, believe in it and think it's an obscure cult,
why would you want to give attention to it?

This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.

I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

On talk.religion.course-miracle, HappyD

On Dec 7, 6:08=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and
complex Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you
give the book of Genesis any credence, God said that it was
all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter?
That only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then
what is the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical .
Thclothes e Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural .
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and
any book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if
they seem enlightened.

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?

Why don't you tell everyone exactly how much I've read of it.
Shouldn't be a problem for an Advanced Being(tm) like you.

The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over again
that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a degraded
dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some of
it and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here? If you
don't like it, believe in it and think it's an obscure cult,
why would you want to give attention to it?

This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

Maybe your reality isn't. But you don't know anything about mine, or
anyone else's.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

On talk.religion.course-miracle, HappyD

On Dec 7, 6:08=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and
complex Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if
you give the book of Genesis any credence, God said that
it was all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't
matter? That only our inner selves matter? If that's the
case, then what is the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical
clothes. The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_
supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason,
and any book that says otherwise is probably not worth
reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if
they seem enlightened.

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?

Why don't you tell everyone exactly how much I've read of
it.
Shouldn't be a problem for an Advanced Being(tm) like you.

The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over
again that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a
degraded dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some
of it and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by
it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here? If you
don't like it, believe in it and think it's an obscure cult,
why would you want to give attention to it?

This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

Maybe your reality isn't. But you don't know anything
about mine, or anyone else's.

I hope you don't actually believe that.

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over
again that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a
degraded dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some
of it and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by
it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here? If you
don't like it, believe in it and think it's an obscure cult,
why would you want to give attention to it?

This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

Maybe your reality isn't. But you don't know anything
about mine, or anyone else's.

I hope you don't actually believe that.

Why would it matter to you what I believe? Does your peace and
happiness depend on others believing (or not believing) a certain way?

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over
again that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a
degraded dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some
of it and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by
it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here? If you
don't like it, believe in it and think it's an obscure cult,
why would you want to give attention to it?

This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

Maybe your reality isn't. But you don't know anything
about mine, or anyone else's.

I hope you don't actually believe that.

Why would it matter to you what I believe? Does your peace and
happiness depend on others believing (or not believing) a certain way?

Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal attacks
as reasonable discourse.

Whatta big <YAWN>.


Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over
again that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a
degraded dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read some
of it and get that message and are rightfully repulsed by
it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here? If you
don't like it, believe in it and think it's an obscure cult,
why would you want to give attention to it?

This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

Maybe your reality isn't. But you don't know anything
about mine, or anyone else's.

I hope you don't actually believe that.

Why would it matter to you what I believe? Does your peace and
happiness depend on others believing (or not believing) a certain way?

Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal attacks
as reasonable discourse.
Whatta big <YAWN>.
Sid

Been thinking about this.

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

Maybe your reality isn't. But you don't know anything
about mine, or anyone else's.

\
What would you have rather I wrote in response?

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
I hope you don't actually believe that.

Why would it matter to you what I believe? Does your peace and
happiness depend on others believing (or not believing) a certain way?

Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal attacks
as reasonable discourse.

What was the personal attack in this? That I have my beliefs and you
have yours and the fact I apparently don't believe the same way you do,
seems to bother you? And me pointing this out (as accepting it, I am me, you
are you) you saw as a personal attack? Or one trying to be disguised?

I don't get it, maybe you can explain it in more detail?

I just wrote what I honest think, feel and believe. If I knew what
you would rather have me think, feel and believe, I could write that, or
agree with you, or not say anything at all (though this is a discussion
group) and you would have, for some reason, felt better?

I don't think coming from my honest thoughts, feelings and beliefs is
any kind of attack on you. But, since you see it this way, maybe you explain
it in more detail so I can learn from it?

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over
again that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a
degraded dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read
some of it and get that message and are rightfully
repulsed by it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here?
If you don't like it, believe in it and think it's an
obscure cult, why would you want to give attention to it?

This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con,
of ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy .
talk Reality isn't like that .

Maybe your reality isn't. But you don't know anything
about mine, or anyone else's.

I hope you don't actually believe that.

Why would it matter to you what I believe? Does your
peace and happiness depend on others believing (or not
believing) a certain way?

Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal
attacks as reasonable discourse.
Whatta big <YAWN>.
Sid

More of the same.

[delete]


Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over
again that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a
degraded dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read
some of it and get that message and are rightfully
repulsed by it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here?
If you don't like it, believe in it and think it's an
obscure cult, why would you want to give attention to it?

This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con,
of ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy .
talk Reality isn't like that .

Maybe your reality isn't. But you don't know anything
about mine, or anyone else's.

I hope you don't actually believe that.

Why would it matter to you what I believe? Does your
peace and happiness depend on others believing (or not
believing) a certain way?

Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal
attacks as reasonable discourse.
Whatta big <YAWN>.
Sid

More of the same.
[delete]

Okay, I wanted to know what you thought I "should" have answered instead
and why you felt my answers were a "disguised personal attack" and not a
reasonable discourse.
Apparently you said it, but have nothing to base it on.
But, not answering is still an answer.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by HappyD
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

I didn't say that. It _implies_, over and over and over
again that life does not matter. Or worse, that it is a
degraded dimension scarcely worth mentioning.
This is why ACIM remains an obscure cult. People read
some of it and get that message and are rightfully
repulsed by it.

So, why are you still reading and posting here?
If you don't like it, believe in it and think it's an
obscure cult, why would you want to give attention to it?

This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con,
of ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy .
talk Reality isn't like that .

Maybe your reality isn't. But you don't know anything
about mine, or anyone else's.

I hope you don't actually believe that.

Why would it matter to you what I believe? Does your
peace and happiness depend on others believing (or not
believing) a certain way?

Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal
attacks as reasonable discourse.
Whatta big <YAWN>.
Sid

More of the same.
[delete]

[delete]

More of the same.

Carrie? I have been attacked for months on end by the most vicious
troll on the Internet. He has scores of solid aliases and even
put up a hate website devoted to me.

I've never looked at the site. He rarely tries to bother me any
more because it is a waste of time. He can't.

Compared to him, you are a rank amateur. For one thing, playing
the bitch just doesn't suit you. You aren't naturally inclined to
meanness when you are unhappy. And it surely is hypocritical.

Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal
attacks as reasonable discourse.
Whatta big <YAWN>.
Sid

More of the same.
[delete]

[delete]
More of the same.
Carrie? I have been attacked for months on end by the most vicious
troll on the Internet. He has scores of solid aliases and even
put up a hate website devoted to me.
I've never looked at the site. He rarely tries to bother me any
more because it is a waste of time. He can't.
Compared to him, you are a rank amateur. For one thing, playing
the bitch just doesn't suit you. You aren't naturally inclined to
meanness when you are unhappy. And it surely is hypocritical.

I wasn't trying to attack you. You're the one who saw it that way.
I wanted you to explain this, why you feel I am attacking you and now
hypocritical.
And how did a conversation about topics being discussed here (ACIM,
and beliefs, etc) get into something about me, as a person?
Who is the most vicious troll on the internet? Maybe I know him/her.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal
attacks as reasonable discourse.
Whatta big <YAWN>.
Sid

More of the same.
[delete]

[delete]
More of the same.
Carrie? I have been attacked for months on end by the most
vicious troll on the Internet. He has scores of solid aliases
and even put up a hate website devoted to me.
I've never looked at the site. He rarely tries to bother me
any more because it is a waste of time. He can't.
Compared to him, you are a rank amateur. For one thing,
playing the bitch just doesn't suit you. You aren't naturally
inclined to meanness when you are unhappy. And it surely is
hypocritical.

I wasn't trying to attack you. You're the one who saw
it that way. I wanted you to explain this, why you feel I am
attacking you and now hypocritical. And how did a conversation
about topics being discussed here (ACIM, and beliefs, etc) get
into something about me, as a person? Who is the most vicious
troll on the internet? Maybe I know him/her.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

You really are boring me, Carrie. No. It won't make me go
away, I can post responses like this forever.

I do not allow trolls to jerk me around with sophomoric
word games.

Isn't this clear to you by now?

Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal
attacks as reasonable discourse.
Whatta big <YAWN>.
Sid

More of the same.
[delete]

[delete]
More of the same.
Carrie? I have been attacked for months on end by the most
vicious troll on the Internet. He has scores of solid aliases
and even put up a hate website devoted to me.
I've never looked at the site. He rarely tries to bother me
any more because it is a waste of time. He can't.
Compared to him, you are a rank amateur. For one thing,
playing the bitch just doesn't suit you. You aren't naturally
inclined to meanness when you are unhappy. And it surely is
hypocritical.

       I wasn't trying to attack you. You're the one who saw
it that way. I wanted you to explain this, why you feel I am
attacking you and now hypocritical. And how did a conversation
about topics being discussed here (ACIM, and beliefs, etc) get
into something about me, as a person? Who is the most vicious
troll on the internet? Maybe I know him/her.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

You really are boring me, Carrie. No. It won't make me go
away, I can post responses like this forever.
I do not allow trolls to jerk me around with sophomoric
word games.
Isn't this clear to you by now?
Sid

Yet I just read down another thread where you were actually
discussing things and seem open to this.
Maybe you mean the topic of trolls bores you. I can go along
with that.
"Troll" is just a label, like everything else. We don't have to
judge people, just make our own choices around them (how they seem to
be, for whatever reason)
I like to think the internet, and discussion groups (at least
the unmoderated usenet ones, which are about the only "free" ones
left) are good therapy. Even though we can't always see this, or
understand it.
I know I have gotten a lot from them, sometimes the hard way.
I've learned about myself and helped clarify my beliefs and how I put
them into my life.

[Sidney Lambe]

On Dec 8, 9:43=A0pm, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
Another religious bigot attempting to disguise personal
attacks as reasonable discourse.
Whatta big <YAWN>.
Sid

More of the same.
[delete]

[delete]
More of the same.
Carrie? I have been attacked for months on end by the most
vicious troll on the Internet. He has scores of solid
aliases and even put up a hate website devoted to me.
I've never looked at the site. He rarely tries to bother me
any more because it is a waste of time. He can't.
Compared to him, you are a rank amateur. For one thing,
playing the bitch just doesn't suit you. You aren't
naturally inclined to meanness when you are unhappy. And it
surely is hypocritical.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I wasn't trying to attack you. You're the
one who saw it that way. I wanted you to explain this, why
you feel I am attacking you and now hypocritical. And how
did a conversation about topics being discussed here (ACIM,
and beliefs, etc) get into something about me, as a person?
Who is the most vicious troll on the internet? Maybe I know
him/her.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

You really are boring me, Carrie. No. It won't make me go
away, I can post responses like this forever.
I do not allow trolls to jerk me around with sophomoric word
games.
Isn't this clear to you by now?
Sid

Yet I just read down another thread where you were actually
discussing things and seem open to this. Maybe you mean the
topic of trolls bores you. I can go along with that. "Troll"
is just a label, like everything else. We don't have to judge
people, just make our own choices around them (how they seem
to be, for whatever reason) I like to think the internet,
and discussion groups (at least the unmoderated usenet ones,
which are about the only "free" ones left) are good therapy.
Even though we can't always see this, or understand it. I know
I have gotten a lot from them, sometimes the hard way. I've
learned about myself and helped clarify my beliefs and how I
put them into my life.

Free speech has its costs, all right. But you are correct: It is
worth it. The Corporations* do not like free speech at all and
having been working to shut down the Usenet and control the rest
of the Internet for a long time.

* Everyone in the U.S. is interdependent with the Corporations, as
customers and investors and workers and charity recipients.

Sid

[r***@tahoe.blue]

On 7 Dec 2010 19:06:04 +0100, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

I think you miss the point. It is one thing to take issue (one way or
the other) with the Course thought system. It's something else to make
shit up, rebut the shit you made up, and call it "discussion".

R

[Carrie]

Post by r***@tahoe.blue
On 7 Dec 2010 19:06:04 +0100, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

I think you miss the point. It is one thing to take issue (one way or
the other) with the Course thought system. It's something else to make
shit up, rebut the shit you made up,  and call it "discussion".
R

Richard (good to see you here, too bad more of the "old group"
wouldn't come back)...
Just for the sake of discussion, and nothing personal, why does it
matter to you WHAT someone else believes and writes?
Words are just form, and the course needs no defense.
All I need do is be aware of how *I* am believing it and living it.
There is also lesson 351 (coming up if one goes by Jan 1 as 1) the
first lines I ever heard from ACIM on "The Ark of Peace" tape. Before
I even had the book.
"My sinless brother is my guide to peace, my sinful brother is my
guide to pain. And which I choose to see I will behold" (and so on...)
I heard that and said "whoa... it's telling me I DECIDE how
someone else is, seems to be?"
I could have accepted that, shut off the tape, n ever gotten the
book(s) and live it from then on. But, ego minds being what they are,
I later got the book and got into more of the details (more words) and
here it is 22 years later.

[r***@tahoe.blue]

Post by Carrie

Post by r***@tahoe.blue

Post by Sidney Lambe
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

I think you miss the point. It is one thing to take issue (one way or
the other) with the Course thought system. It's something else to make
shit up, rebut the shit you made up,  and call it "discussion".

Just for the sake of discussion, and nothing personal, why does it
matter to you WHAT someone else believes and writes?

If for sake of discussion, what are we discussing? The last time I
looked-- and, it's been awhile-- trc-m was ostensibly for discussion
of the Course.

Mr Lambe's line about "fluffy-bunny happy talk" implied that
discussion <in opposition> to the thought system presented in the
Course was somehow distressing to the inhabitants. My point was that
Mr Lambe would have to first understand the thought system taught in
the Course in order to be opposed to it.

To your point, it is of no importance what another does or thinks.
There is no "other"; I do "battle" or join only with myself.

R

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by r***@tahoe.blue

Post by Carrie

Post by r***@tahoe.blue

Post by Sidney Lambe
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk
Reality isn't like that

I think you miss the point. It is one thing to take issue
(one way or the other) with the Course thought system. It's
something else to make shit up, rebut the shit you made up,
 and call it "discussion".

Just for the sake of discussion, and nothing personal, why
does it matter to you WHAT someone else believes and writes?

If for sake of discussion, what are we discussing? The last
time I looked-- and, it's been awhile-- trc-m was ostensibly
for discussion of the Course.
Mr Lambe's line about "fluffy-bunny happy talk" implied that
discussion <in opposition> to the thought system presented in
the Course was somehow distressing to the inhabitants.

I didn't imply it. I said it very clearly. Several times.

Post by r***@tahoe.blue
My point
was that Mr Lambe would have to first understand the thought
system taught in the Course in order to be opposed to it.

You made such a point because you are a stupid person.

There is no need to read something that one has already
discovered to be fatally flawed.

A house built on a poor foundation is a poor house. You
don't need to examine the entire house to determine this.
Only the foundations.

Duh.

Post by r***@tahoe.blue
To your point, it is of no importance what another does or
thinks here is no "other"; I do "battle" or join only with
myself
R

I'm here, little boy. I say what I want and you live with it.
Because all you can is bitch like a whore who wasn't paid.


Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by r***@tahoe.blue
On 7 Dec 2010 19:06:04 +0100, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

I think you miss the point.

Well, it's your mind, and you can think anything you want.

[delete]

Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocence
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com

[Carrie]

Post by r***@tahoe.blue
On 7 Dec 2010 19:06:04 +0100, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
This newsgroup is devoted to the discussion, pro and con, of
ACIM.
I'm sorry if you want it to be all fluffy-bunny happy talk.
Reality isn't like that.

I think you miss the point. It is one thing to take issue (one way or
the other) with the Course thought system. It's something else to make
shit up, rebut the shit you made up,  and call it "discussion".
R

And, if it's all illusion, made up by ego mind, that "I give all and
any meaning to:" why does it matter?
You don't even usually post here, if you really care what the ng
is about, come and discuss things the way you feel we should.
You've been involved with it for so long now, you should be an
example of it we can learn from.

[Carrie]

Post by HappyD

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and complex
Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you give the book
of Genesis any credence, God said that it was all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter? That
only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then what is
the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical clothes.
The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and any
book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if they
seem enlightened.
Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com

Jeez Sidney why not read the book first?
The Course doesn't say "that life does not matter"

Actually, I would think that trying to figure it out (which can never be
really done in a finite/form way) is a waste of time. Trying to make sense
of the senseless. LIke who and what is "God" and what did or does he do, if
anything?
Seems like it says something (about the lessons) just to experience them as
best one can. Trying to figure it out and questioning it is an ego
distraction.

[b***@gmail.com]

I have watched 2 people die who followed the Course very diligently. The two of them were truly at and past despair in their last moments. My mother's last comment before breaking into "affirmations" mumbled as she went into her final coma was "I do not deserve this". Whatever hope was being cherished in her breast simply had not a scintilla of existence in her last conscious moments, those last moments of existence here. I also have one relative who has really gone downhill with this. I myself followed the Course (the "A Course") seriously for almost 30 years. I am now disillusioned about it, but could not find any mistake in the logic of the book and its lessons. If the premises are true (nothing can threaten reality, nothing unreal exists, herein lies the peace of God), the rest of the book is clearly, so far as I can analyze, quite true, even perhaps profoundly true. What was the disconnect? How is it that logic, the kind that says that God cannot not-be-God, or that God cannot "wink h/self out of ever having existed", etc., could come up with such an apparently incorrect conclusion? There appear to be two possible sources: first, of course, the Course's claim, that the "Ego" convinces us with all that it has, which is the physical, that this is real, and when it does die, heaven will appear in the twinkling of tears of joy... However, it seems terrible that even at the very last of all moments, there is only emptiness and the feeling of deception, no "reaching hands through the clouds", that are indeed promised in the Course.

The other source of the error, is gigo (garbage in, garbage out). For this, I looked to the premises, and found one that I could not really sign off on: Nothing can threaten Reality. This is correct in the grandest sense; that is, there is indeed nothing so great that it can menace Reality, as Reality is what it is, and cannot be "not-real", as it were. However, it turns out that in fact, something can threaten each and every partitionable section of reality. Stars can be blown up, the sum total energy state of the Universe can approach zero in all its parts, and I, this temporary object in Reality, can be hurt, threatened, and experience all the pangs of "hell". In fact, any part of reality can be threatened except Time, which makes the future not yet realized, and the past a trace in the present (everything has a history of how all of Reality arrived at this single state in which we find ourselves).

The fact is, this Is the Universe, and neither I, nor You, nor the person living next door "created" the sun, stars, time, etc. etc. etc. And this is the very place we find ourselves, not "somewhere else". And if we are not satisfied with the state of affairs here, this place, then we have three choices: opt out (cease to exist in the physical universe, something the Course certainly states is possible); seek to change the present state of "reality" (this is what we do now, to the great detriment of the rest of the life forms around us), or adjust our own attitudes to properly fit with the rest of the Universe, accept that we are temporary beings who did not begin with the beginning of time, older than 13.2 billion years, predating the suns, etc., and if we do nothing, we end up dead, dissolved and integrated into some new assortment of chemical compounds, with quite possibly no remainder to speak of; and if we wish to live and "eternal life of roses", that is, exist eternally in paradise/heaven, we have to accept that all this will take place in This Universe, not somewhere else, and we have to grow in this direction, just like the rest of the Universe. If God of any kind has given us the potential of eternal tolerable life, we must seek this potential in the very place H/ put us, here, this universe, not in a fantasy or fairy-tale delusion, because at death, all illusions cease to work

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by b***@gmail.com
I have watched 2 people die who followed the Course very diligently. The two of them were truly at and past despair in their last moments. My mother's last comment before breaking into "affirmations" mumbled as she went into her final coma was "I do not deserve this".

Heartfelt comment, there.

Was a student of The Course for well over a decade, maybe two, I no longer can recall.

The Course ended up turning me directly back to the Bible, and God, and I wonder if I had spent as much time as ACIM with the Bible, and direct communication with God, just how my life might have turned out differently... Although Life is Ok.

Most of the Course in reflected in the Bible, anyway, as forgiveness, perhaps a 'higher road,' forgiveness, Love, and making good choices.

One fact I learned. . . Once we don't question what we hold dear, we become its target. Once we close our minds to everything but what we hold true, we become our own hostage. Once we attempt to defend what we find so precious, we miss out on what is truly of value.

"the disconnect? How is it that logic, the kind that says that God cannot not-be-God, or that God cannot "wink h/self out of ever having existed", etc., could come up with such an apparently incorrWhat was ect conclusion?"

I think the disconnect has to do with Course interpretation. People spent years in the past trying to interpret something that really cannot be interpreted. Can you interpret blue? Can you interpret the feeling that prayer gives? Can you interpret how Love makes you feel? Describe maybe, but interpret no, and I find this whole interpretation stuff simply got in the way.

"However, it seems terrible that even at the very last of all moments, there is only emptiness and the feeling of deception, no "reaching hands through the clouds", that are indeed promised in the Course. "

I have had two near death experiences, and this is not what I recall. I also find the narrative by some, especially prior atheists, as Neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, have experienced something worth noting.

" If God of any kind has given us the potential of eternal tolerable life, we must seek this potential in the very place H/ put us, here, this universe, not in a fantasy or fairy-tale delusion, because at death, all illusions cease to work"

I would agree.


Jeanette

[David Thomson]

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and complex
Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you give the book
of Genesis any credence, God said that it was all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter? That
only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then what is
the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical clothes.
The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and any
book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if they
seem enlightened.
Sid

[David Thomson]

Post by Sidney Lambe
So God went to all this fuss to create the enormous and complex
Earthly reality. The physical universe. And, if you give the book
of Genesis any credence, God said that it was all Good.
So why do we have ACIM telling us that Life doesn't matter? That
only our inner selves matter? If that's the case, then what is
the POINT of physical reality?
This is simply folly. The body is the soul in chemical clothes.
The Spirit becomes flesh. Nature _is_ supernatural.
God obviously created this reality for a good reason, and any
book that says otherwise is probably not worth reading.
Observe the behavior of these people and ask yourself if they
seem enlightened.
Sid

Sidney's above post strikes a chord with me. As the principal proponent of this newsgroup, my view 35 years after starting the Course is that there is value in the physical world.

It is clear to me that the world is an illusion in the sense that material reality was created out of non-material reality, but the end product still has usefulness.

I can now see how the four-dimensional physical realm is connected to the five-dimensional realm of mind, and how even the five-dimensional realm of mind is also filled with illusion. Whether we like being here, or not, we are here.

I also continue to see the Course's teaching that the holy instant is the path to a totally still mind. It is in this stillness that the miracle resides. The Course's message is just that simple.

All the gurus who have come along to "teach" the Course have all taught glorified ego teachings. Several of the users of this newsgroup understood this, but the list was constantly bombarded with noisy sprites whose only mission seemed to be to disrupt meaningful discourse.

To get to the point of death and lament about the pains of dying shows that the true message was missed, not that the Course has failed. It is sad that many people have passed on without having the benefit of truly understanding the message of the Course.

[deanp]

Another interesting thread. Sometimes, I feel a course like ACIM should have a strong warning at the start, alerting readers to that fact that 95% probably won't understand it, and that the 5% that do, probably aren't interested in teaching it publicly.

In past times, nondual teachings and the like, were reserved for a small minority who had passed the preliminary tests such as experience in meditation, contemplation, ethical behaviour, logical thinking etc. etc. .. and were then taken aside (by a teacher) and given a dose of nondual type material and practices, which led to a shift in seeing and being. Unfortunately, ACIM by-passes a lot of preliminaries, which leads to weird and bizarre interpretations (even leading to belief-based cults) and ways of practicing it (from new-agey affirmations, to 'manifest your ideal world' type ideas).. None of which even remotely touch on the goals of the Course in terms of ending the separation, removing perceived guilt, and undoing the imposter self.

OP- I personally don't put much credence in the translations/transcriptions of the Bible (for obvious reasons, apart from its erroneous content).. and the OP quotes Genesis (ie. it was all 'good'), but forgets that a few Chapters later this same 'god' decides it's all not so good, and that the whole place should be flooded and demolished. Surely, there are more helpful myths around if that's what one needs.

I did like the ideas expressed in the last post.. the Holy Instant is a major Course idea/practice, which appears in many other traditions, and has been used by ET successfully to launch a worldwide movement.

So, in summary, the 'fatal flaw' may be in one's subjective viewing (perception, interpretation) of the Course, (and possibly in the fact that is was given as a self-study course), rather than its actual content or aims.

d.

[David Thomson]

Post by deanp
So, in summary, the 'fatal flaw' may be in one's subjective viewing (perception, interpretation) of the Course, (and possibly in the fact that is was given as a self-study course), rather than its actual content or aims.

I agree with your whole post. It is apparent that many people do get what the Course is saying.

Like Jeanette, I too have brushed close to death several times, particularly this past year. Naturally, I don't want to leave this world any sooner than I have to. I still see ways in which I can help make the world a better place for others before I go. And yet, I am fully prepared in my mind's eye to step across the veil and direct my attention to the white light at the end of the tunnel. I remember how easy it is to let the mind be still and turn attention to what has been behind me all along.

When I hear the sad stories about people experiencing fear at death despite having had the Course in their life, I think about the wastefulness of time caused by those who sought to be gurus; and there were and are many of them. However, the problem was equally rooted in the desires of people who looked for what they wanted from the Course, rather than what the Course has to offer.

The imagery I see to symbolize this is the water of a new river establishing its new course through a landscape. A lot of water is seemingly "wasted" in soaking up the ground and filling voids in the Earth as the main current establishes itself. Yet the main current cannot flow without the "waste" to give it its foundation.

The Course will yet see its usefulness in this world. It is still a flood of inner peace in a parched land.

[p***@yahoo.com]

Hi David,

"The Course will yet see its usefulness in this world. It is still a flood of inner peace in a parched land."

I feel those of us who studied, learned, argued, learned more, and internalized this material are manifesting in the world what we have learned.

I also feel personally after studying the Course with great intent for so long there is no question passages from A Course in Miracles come to mind exactly when needed. It's miraculous.

As for death: Just yesterday AM my heart went into uncontrolled A Fib/Flutter, and I lost my blood pressure. Thank goodness for Paramedics :-). Home today recovering, but ever cautious.

I too want to live a long life based on The Love of God, which goes with me as a constant prayer in my mind and heart, as I attempt to share its message with the world.

Good to read you,

Jeanette

[David Thomson]

Post by p***@yahoo.com
I feel those of us who studied, learned, argued, learned more, and internalized this material are manifesting in the world what we have learned.

Good to hear from you, Jeanette.

Post by p***@yahoo.com
As for death: Just yesterday AM my heart went into uncontrolled A Fib/Flutter, and I lost my blood pressure. Thank goodness for Paramedics :-). Home today recovering, but ever cautious.

I have been through the fluttering heart thing about ten years ago shortly after shattering my lower leg and ankle. I have been consuming dandelions as food and tea ever since with no recurrence. Dandelions have the right kind of electrolytes for the heart, plus they are naturally diuretic.

The Course mentions that such things are "magic." I take this part of the course as both metaphor and literally. Fixing the body will not necessarily quiet the mind and lead us to the holy instant and the practice of miracles. However, it does not prevent us from doing these things, either.

From the Course perspective, the only lesson it aims to teach is how to restore the mind to its natural state. If we learn this lesson and happen to learn how to extend our time in this world, then perhaps we will have more opportunities to help others to restore their minds to their natural state, too.

I practice magic a lot. :-)

Post by p***@yahoo.com
I too want to live a long life based on The Love of God, which goes with me as a constant prayer in my mind and heart, as I attempt to share its message with the world.
Good to read you,
Jeanette

Thanks, and keep up the great work.

Dave

[p***@yahoo.com]

David,

This is Good News!

Will research Dandelions, as we have been treating my daughter's cancer with herbs with excellent result.

Will return,


Jeanette

[p***@yahoo.com]

David,

I use plenty of magic, too, but I prefer the homeopathic and herb kind.

I honestly feel, and I state this from my heart, that Jesus and the Angels led myself and my daughter to what is apparently curing her, and that is herbs.

So, at first, when this violent irregular heart beat occurred for me, I called 911. But now, upon receiving your message decided to research the herbs.

I am drinking organic dandelion root tea at this moment, thank you David.

I also found another tincture called Hawthorn, and on its study, found it is the cardiac miracle. And so I am taking that, too.

What A Course in Miracles really did for me is the channel --- it helped me open a channel between myself and God. In this process I learned how to allow Jesus to enter my life, how it works, and the Miracle outcomes if I continue to focus my entire life on this process.

Meeting you here again is no coincidence. The conversation turned to Dandelion, and this has helped me turn a corner in my life.

Thanks for being a participant in God's Will. My recent discovery I learned through you.


Jeanette

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by Sidney Lambe
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocence
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com

Some items that may help to address your post (I didn't read the other comments so... may already be said):

- God of ACIM has nothing to do w/ god of bible or a theistic god. The term is used as part of the mechanism / familiarity to reinterpret the concept, again, as part of the set of tools for yielding the experience. There's no personal being w/ ACIM. There is God but God is not like the biblical personal god.
- We can't mix the 2 theologies. No theology is true. The only purpose of a theology is a means and not an end (not a belief system to be taken as true). Analogous to buddhist sutras: they are not true but, instead, 'expedient means' to help people on that path to the same universal experience.
- ACIM doesn't say life doesn't matter; quite the opposite - the whole purpose we're here
- You'll find most folks in spiritualities aren't enlightened and, in fact, may exhibit more denial and ego elements esp. if they're unaware of their own ego dynamics and use any realizations or insights to create a new, spiritual ego.
- For me, the universe, people, world can't be created by a loving being. No amount of mysterious plan, free will, projections onto satan, talk about the fall, etc. helps me here. I just consider babies dying of bone cancer (despite their parents praying), life feeding on prey (animals equipped with the exact physical mechanisms to kill prey that they MUST do based on their biology to survive - and causing intense fear in prey), the vulnerability of bodies (dependency on air, water, food, needing an immune system, death, decay, sickness)
- God is not the theistic being that creates universe, body - more in line w/ ground of being, etc - see '3 pillars of zen' for a hint (until experience shows). Narrative/theology from the course is much more complex. The universe, physicality, psychophysical beings are the result of a single event (idea from the single thing that there was something 'more' than it/god). Again,the theology is NOT true but meant to help yield an experience. It gets into this 'seeming separation' and the making of people, the universe by this 'one thing' that 'God' did create. W/ the course, 'God' doesn't even know about the world, the universe, people, etc. 'Our' true identity is the single Self that made the world, etc. in response to the idea that it could be separate from god. There's no personal being here. Again, don't take these things literally. If you look at the '3 pillars of zen' (not to be used in place of the actual enlightenment experience), you'll hear from folks who - while they can't describe the experience - talk about their only being a SINGLE thing - themselves (and that this thing is you, me, etc. - note that this is NOT oneness in the sense of unity - it's literally ONLY ONE thing in the whole universe - whenever that is scary, i refer to that 3 pillars book b/c people come away intensely joyous after the experience)

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by Sidney Lambe
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocence
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com

"- For me, the universe, people, world can't be created by a loving being. No amount of mysterious plan, free will, projections onto satan, talk about the fall, etc. helps me here. I just consider babies dying of bone cancer (despite their parents praying), life feeding on prey (animals equipped with the exact physical mechanisms to kill prey that they MUST do based on their biology to survive - and causing intense fear in prey), the vulnerability of bodies (dependency on air, water, food, needing an immune system, death, decay, sickness) "

Respecting your thoughts and opinions.

For me, I disagree.

The Universe is Created by a loving Being, it is its inhabitants, who chose to take their own pathways away from God, for whatever reason. This made the chaos.

Prayers that are not answered. Or maybe they are in ways we do not understand.

The mysteries of the Universe are something I have learned to approach with caution, because there is something greater there, and I figure, right now, I know what I need to know. in time I may know more.


Jeanette

[d***@live.com]

ACIM IS EXPENSIVE FRUITLESS VERBIAGE

All of the anti-biblical premises of ACIM -
such as that souls are perfect and
just need to recognize that fact, and
there is no such thing as sin, and
the fallen angel Satan does not exist,
and there is no such thing as Hell -
are all disproven by the Edgar Cayce Readings,
which Readings are 100% biblical and
had and have a very high accuracy rate.

[David Thomson]

The judging of ACIM is itself a flaw. ACIM is advice from a disembodied being. It is a short path to seeing beyond the illusory nature of the physical world. The central teaching is not to correct the Bible, and neither is it to establish a new religion, nor judge the world. It is a very simple message of practicing the holy instant, which is the practice of allowing the mind to be still, even if only for an instant. And then to practice this stillness with increasing frequency and regularity to the point where the mind can return to its true nature and not be dependent on the body. A still mind is not something that can be described, it can only be known.

After learning and practicing ACIM daily with study groups for three solid years beginning in 1980, I realized I was not yet ready to just give up on the world. There is still purpose to physical existence, and there is a science to living in this world that maximizes good health and happiness. The physical realm has always existed, and will always continue to exist. Minds will always be drawn to this world for spiritual development.

Yes, learn the teachings of the Course. Experience the power of miracles and forgiveness through the Holy Spirit. And if your body still has strength, use your remaining time to increase the good health and happiness of the physical world so that those who remain, and who will yet come, can make spiritual progress in peace.

The message of ACIM cannot remain in a world that is religion intolerant, burns books, denies people the right to their own beliefs, or otherwise is incapable of supporting a literate society.

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Post by David Thomson
The judging of ACIM is itself a flaw.

Apparently you are a fool relativist.

The Holy Bible and The Edgar Cayce Readings -
which are both highly accurate and parallel
one another 100% - are both absolutist.

The latter consist of more than 70,000 typed
pages, which blows ACIM volume into the water.

Post by David Thomson
ACIM is advice from a disembodied being.

LOL !!!!

A LIAR WHO SAYS IT IS JESUS !!!!

JESUS WOULD NOT OPPOSE AND CONTRADICT BIBLICAL
PRECEPTS PROPHECIES PROMISES WARNINGS,

A N D

JESUS WAS TERSE, NOT A JABBERING WINDBAG.

Post by David Thomson
It is a short path to seeing beyond the illusory nature of the physical world.

Illusory ????

Jump off of a 100 story building and
you can find out just how "illusory"
your body and the Earth is !!!!

LOL !!!!

Post by David Thomson
The central teaching is not to correct the Bible,

ALL CHANNELED MATERIALS HAVE ORIGINATED
WITH SATAN AND HIS MINIONS, IN ORDER TO
SUPPLANT GOD'S WORD THE HOLY BIBLE !!!!

LOL !!!!

THAT IS THE ONE THING THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON -
THEY OPPOSE AND CONTRADICT THE PREMISES PROPHECIES
PROMISES WARNINGS IN THE HOLY BIBLE !!!!

Post by David Thomson
and neither is it to establish a new religion,

Oh, that's great - we don't need to have 30,001
religions in the world !!!!

Especially since a living relationship with
The Living GOD has absolutely nothing to do
with religion.

Post by David Thomson
nor judge the world.

LOL !!!!

How could it ????

According to ACIM there IS NO world -
all there is is the extreme narcissist you
who loves getting your mental-masturbation
rocks off by trying to experience totally
pointless so-called "holy instants" !!!!

A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE HOLINESS FOUND IN
THE HOLY BIBLE !!!!

Post by David Thomson
It is a very simple message of practicing the holy instant, which is the practice of allowing the mind to be still, even if only for an instant. And then to practice this stillness with increasing frequency and regularity to the point where the mind can return to its true nature and not be dependent on the body. A still mind is not something that can be described, it can only be known.

Wow...what a bunch of malarkey !!!!

Ya...GOD gave you a mind to use it,
and Satan wants you to not use it -
to blank it out !!!!

Ya...thinking is such a terrible thing !!!!

Stop thinking as much as possible !!!!

LOL !!!!

The minds "true nature" ????

The minds "dependence on the body" ????

Do you even know what the heck you are talking about ????

The true nature of the mind is to think,
not to not think !!!!

And the mind IS NOT dependent on the body !!!!

The mind aka your consciousness,
is a part of who you are: You are
a triune etheric being composed of
Soul (individual consciousness + individual will) and
Spirit (individual portion of Spirit GOD).

These things are proven by the fact that
when clinicians map the brain, they can
make a person's arm move, but they cannot
make the person WANT to move their arm,
AND they cannot effect the person's
consciousness any more than being asleep
does (which is not at all).

Post by David Thomson
After learning and practicing ACIM daily with study groups for three solid years beginning in 1980,

Wow...what a fool you have been.

And so much wasted time and effort and expense.

Post by David Thomson
I realized I was not yet ready to just give up on the world. There is still purpose to physical existence, and there is a science to living in this world that maximizes good health and happiness.

Ya...don't jump off of a 100 story building.

Post by David Thomson
The physical realm has always existed, and will always continue to exist.

Wrong on both ends.

And that which was created can be decreated;
and that which had a beginning has an end.

Only spirit is eternal.
Matter is temporal.

Only GOD - spirit and harmony -
was in the beginning;
and only spirit and harmony
shall be in the end.

1 John 2
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world.
If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world - the lust of the body, and the covetousness
of the eyes, and the pride of material things - does not come from the Father,
but is of the world. And the world will pass away, and the lust thereof;
but he who does the will of God will abide forever.

Post by David Thomson
Minds will always be drawn to this world for spiritual development.

There are many universes, worlds, systems, in the Cosmos
(all that is) - all created by GOD for hopefully spiritual
development. The Cosmos is a school to educate as many
Spirit-Souls as possible to the point of worthiness to
spend an eternity of harmony and peace and joy with GOD
and Jesus in the heavenly etheric city New Jerusalem.

You are a Spirit-Soul in a temporary house of clay,
and chose to be born into the baby that you were born into.

You are here either because you are a fallen-unrepented
Spirit-Soul who still needs to repent, or else because
you are a fallen-repented or else unfallen Spirit-Soul
and are come to be of help.

Graduation Day is the day Jesus returns. Those who pass
will be glorified and be able to move materialize dematerialize
at will and will not be amenable to destruction in the Lake of Fire
or any destruction and will exist forever.

Post by David Thomson
Yes, learn the teachings of the Course.

No thanks.

There is no lesson greater than first and foremost
not harming other people - the latter six commandments
of The Ten Commandments - and secondarily actively doing
others good as much as possible.

Post by David Thomson
Experience the power of miracles and forgiveness through the Holy Spirit.

1. What miracles ????

2. There is no forgiveness without confession and
repentance and conversion to SERVING GOD rather
than Satan.

Post by David Thomson
And if your body still has strength, use your remaining time to increase the good health and happiness of the physical world so that those who remain, and who will yet come, can make spiritual progress in peace.

The saying across the top of the entrance door of the main building of
Edgar Cayce's A.R.E. campus says: To Make Manifest The Love Of God And Man.

Post by David Thomson
The message of ACIM cannot remain in a world that is religion intolerant, burns books, denies people the right to their own beliefs, or otherwise is incapable of supporting a literate society.

Life is the question.
Love is the answer.