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Anything Beyond The Universe?
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MikeRyder
2010-02-11 23:50:20 UTC
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http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query=%22What+the+Bleep+do+we+know%22&rclk=pti
MikeRyder
2010-02-12 03:13:59 UTC
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http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query=%22What+the+Bleep+do+we+know%22&rclk=pti
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
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2010-02-12 03:47:30 UTC
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_b_455260.html
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query=%22What+the+Bleep+do+we+know%22&rclk=pti
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
MikeRyder
2010-02-12 07:32:31 UTC
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_b_455260.html
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query=%22What+the+Bleep+do+we+know%22&rclk=pti
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
Kind of like the newsgroup. lol
mr bill
2010-02-13 06:49:02 UTC
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query...
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
Kind of like the newsgroup. lol
and yet you cannot stop feeding your addiction to the conflict that
you breed here
after a long hiatus i return to predictably find you here wallowing in
your own slime
you are a truly pathetic excuse for a human being michael tanner
truly and magnificently pathetic
MikeRyder
2010-02-13 09:00:46 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
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On Fri Feb 12 2010 00:50:20 GMT+0100
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query...
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
Kind of like the newsgroup. lol
and yet you cannot stop feeding your addiction to the conflict that
you breed here
after a long hiatus i return to predictably find you here wallowing in
your own slime
you are a truly pathetic excuse for a human being michael tanner
truly and magnificently pathetic
I see you and your hatred are back.

no more for you.
MikeRyder
2010-02-14 01:50:23 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:21:53 +0100, expires
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On Fri Feb 12 2010 00:50:20 GMT+0100
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query...
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
Kind of like the newsgroup. lol
and yet you cannot stop feeding your addiction to the conflict that
you breed here
after a long hiatus i return to predictably find you here wallowing in
your own slime
you are a truly pathetic excuse for a human being michael tanner
truly and magnificently pathetic
bill,

In my reply to what you said above, last night, I said...
Post by MikeRyder
I see you and your hatred are back.
no more for you.
I had intended to leave it at that--just a quick comment and then move
on. But today I've decided to take a few minutes and say a little
more. It's about you, and it's about this pathetic excuse for an
acim-dedicated newsgroup, all wrapped up in an absence of human
decency.

Last spring, while you were apparently off at your management training
program for the pizza company, I posted a brief thought about the
revelation of god as it's discussed in the first pages of A Course in
Miracles. Revelation as a subject for consideration has interested me
for a very long time. My intention was to say a couple things and
leave it at that. And the "advanced" religioners in this newsgroup
*could* have left it at just a few words, too. But they didn't.

First up was deborah bc (no surprise there) who, as she's done before,
pronounced me to be a Wayne-clone--as if I had no brain of my own to
draw my own independent conclusions. That was enough to start the
newsgroup slide once again into the toilet, this time to a depth of
shit I never before thought possible, in which the "advanced" acimers
to a man crawled out of their rat holes to trash me with every
vicious, malicious word they could come up with. If not full blast, at
the least their behavior bordered on sociopathic. The depth of this
two-month-long viciousness came when one of the more pathetic
hangers-on, upon discovering my orientation, called me filthy names
including an epithet that I wont repeat again, but it had to do with a
rooster and a lollipop. If you weren't there at the time I'll let you
figure out what he repeated--over and over.

Why did the acimer regulars and their hanger-on do this? In posting my
thoughts on the revelation of god it was obvious that I threatened
their carefully constructed acim religion. So, as they've done before
with people who they disagreed with, they went to war, the intention
of which was as usual to drive the offender off the newsgroup in any
indecent way they needed to. The acimers in this group are no
different from cowardly religious fundamentalist extremists the world
over.

I could have gone the way of so many others who've been pushed out of
here. But I chose to take a stand and not let the "advanced" acimers
prod me into the volcano. Thus I remained in this newsgroup and simply
let them spew their shit and vomit all over me. I suspect it was very
frustrating for them. The more episodes of explosive diarrhea they
had, the more I insisted on staying around.

For all their declarations of peaceful luvin', last summer those
"advanced" acimers showed their true colors. I've got this pathetic
newsgroup's number now.

Then there is you. We used to exchange occasional emails back and
forth, beginning a year and a half ago? two years ago? something like
that. I remember now that it was mostly I who initiated those emails.
And eventually you would reply. And I sent those first emails not
because I was on some acim mission to save your sorry ass, but because
over the years prior you always seemed like a good guy, a guy I
thought I'd like to make friends with outside the newsgroup. It was
about a human-to-human friendship.

And in our private conversations, you took the opportunity to spew out
your bitter hatred for Ellen and her friend Debra apparently for the
sin of not paying enough attention to you after your daughter was
murdered. Apparently their failure to satisfactorily console you
justified your everlasting enmity. Did I get this right?

I dont remember you volunteering information about the details of your
daughter's death. Maybe you thought I had read about it in the
newsgroup. But I hadnt, and I do remember asking you about it. And
what you told me was hair-raising, so much so that I did my best to
say a few things that I hoped would make sense. Forget the son of god
thing. That's what friends do. Your response was to tell me that what
I said was more than even your family had ever told you. Evidently
your family had said next to nothing. And having a cousin who'd been
kidnapped and raped when she was a teenager, and her family tried to
suppress any discussion of the event because they didnt know what else
to do, I suggested that maybe your family was the same way. Maybe they
just didnt know how to handle the murder of your daughter. Did that
help you? I dont know.

There was something else I told you. I said that for the life of me I
didnt understand why you were willing to give that monster of a
murderer power over you like you were doing. I dont know if those
words helped, but I do know that shortly thereafter you got off your
ass and did something other than just spend your life getting high and
hating the monster. You put aside the stoner trip you were on at the
time enough to apply for management training at the pizza company.
Assuming that you're still a manager now, the rest, as they say, is
history.

Again, I dont know if anything I said helped, but if it did I'm glad.
That IS what friends are for. At one point you even told me I was a
good friend. I appreciated that. And the same applied to you from my
standpoint.

When you started manager's training I didnt hear anything from you
again until you showed back up in the newsgroup at the tail end of the
two-month obscenity the "advanced" acimers were waging. Without even
knowing the details you piled on right along with the rest of them and
even threatened to post the contents of the project files I had sent
you when you agreed to read them. And that hurt. *Big time*. Out of
left field my friend blew into the newsgroup and started piling on the
shit with the rest of the assholes. Well, so be it. Live and learn.

I'm going to stop typing now and send this. I've pretty much said all
I want to say. And this is going to be the last post I will make in
this newsgroup longer than a couple-sentence quip every now and then,
as I've been doing. This pathetic newsgroup isnt worth any more of my
time than that. I do find the place occasionally entertaining, though.
Like the next guy, I'm fascinated by train wrecks.

And if you feel inclined to reply to what I'm writing here, that's
your choice. But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again. It took me awhile, but last summer I
finally learned my lesson. And the lesson is, never try to make
friends with a cobra. They'll turn around and bite you every time.
Carrie
2010-02-14 13:56:04 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:49:02 -0800 (PST), mr bill
Post by mr bill
Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:47:30 +0100, expires
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On Fri Feb 12 2010 04:13:59 GMT+0100
Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:21:53 +0100, expires
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On Fri Feb 12 2010 00:50:20 GMT+0100
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query...
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
Kind of like the newsgroup. lol
and yet you cannot stop feeding your addiction to the conflict that
you breed here
after a long hiatus i return to predictably find you here wallowing
in your own slime
you are a truly pathetic excuse for a human being michael tanner
truly and magnificently pathetic
bill,
In my reply to what you said above, last night, I said...
Post by MikeRyder
I see you and your hatred are back.
no more for you.
I had intended to leave it at that--just a quick comment and then move
on. But today I've decided to take a few minutes and say a little
more. It's about you, and it's about this pathetic excuse for an
acim-dedicated newsgroup, all wrapped up in an absence of human
decency.
Last spring, while you were apparently off at your management training
program for the pizza company, I posted a brief thought about the
revelation of god as it's discussed in the first pages of A Course in
Miracles. Revelation as a subject for consideration has interested me
for a very long time. My intention was to say a couple things and
leave it at that. And the "advanced" religioners in this newsgroup
*could* have left it at just a few words, too. But they didn't.
First up was deborah bc (no surprise there) who, as she's done before,
pronounced me to be a Wayne-clone--as if I had no brain of my own to
draw my own independent conclusions. That was enough to start the
newsgroup slide once again into the toilet, this time to a depth of
shit I never before thought possible, in which the "advanced" acimers
to a man crawled out of their rat holes to trash me with every
vicious, malicious word they could come up with. If not full blast, at
the least their behavior bordered on sociopathic. The depth of this
two-month-long viciousness came when one of the more pathetic
hangers-on, upon discovering my orientation, called me filthy names
including an epithet that I wont repeat again, but it had to do with a
rooster and a lollipop. If you weren't there at the time I'll let you
figure out what he repeated--over and over.
Why did the acimer regulars and their hanger-on do this? In posting my
thoughts on the revelation of god it was obvious that I threatened
their carefully constructed acim religion. So, as they've done before
with people who they disagreed with, they went to war, the intention
of which was as usual to drive the offender off the newsgroup in any
indecent way they needed to. The acimers in this group are no
different from cowardly religious fundamentalist extremists the world
over.
I could have gone the way of so many others who've been pushed out of
here. But I chose to take a stand and not let the "advanced" acimers
prod me into the volcano. Thus I remained in this newsgroup and simply
let them spew their shit and vomit all over me. I suspect it was very
frustrating for them. The more episodes of explosive diarrhea they
had, the more I insisted on staying around.
For all their declarations of peaceful luvin', last summer those
"advanced" acimers showed their true colors. I've got this pathetic
newsgroup's number now.
Then there is you. We used to exchange occasional emails back and
forth, beginning a year and a half ago? two years ago? something like
that. I remember now that it was mostly I who initiated those emails.
And eventually you would reply. And I sent those first emails not
because I was on some acim mission to save your sorry ass, but because
over the years prior you always seemed like a good guy, a guy I
thought I'd like to make friends with outside the newsgroup. It was
about a human-to-human friendship.
And in our private conversations, you took the opportunity to spew out
your bitter hatred for Ellen and her friend Debra apparently for the
sin of not paying enough attention to you after your daughter was
murdered. Apparently their failure to satisfactorily console you
justified your everlasting enmity. Did I get this right?
I dont remember you volunteering information about the details of your
daughter's death. Maybe you thought I had read about it in the
newsgroup. But I hadnt, and I do remember asking you about it. And
what you told me was hair-raising, so much so that I did my best to
say a few things that I hoped would make sense. Forget the son of god
thing. That's what friends do. Your response was to tell me that what
I said was more than even your family had ever told you. Evidently
your family had said next to nothing. And having a cousin who'd been
kidnapped and raped when she was a teenager, and her family tried to
suppress any discussion of the event because they didnt know what else
to do, I suggested that maybe your family was the same way. Maybe they
just didnt know how to handle the murder of your daughter. Did that
help you? I dont know.
There was something else I told you. I said that for the life of me I
didnt understand why you were willing to give that monster of a
murderer power over you like you were doing. I dont know if those
words helped, but I do know that shortly thereafter you got off your
ass and did something other than just spend your life getting high and
hating the monster. You put aside the stoner trip you were on at the
time enough to apply for management training at the pizza company.
Assuming that you're still a manager now, the rest, as they say, is
history.
Again, I dont know if anything I said helped, but if it did I'm glad.
That IS what friends are for. At one point you even told me I was a
good friend. I appreciated that. And the same applied to you from my
standpoint.
When you started manager's training I didnt hear anything from you
again until you showed back up in the newsgroup at the tail end of the
two-month obscenity the "advanced" acimers were waging. Without even
knowing the details you piled on right along with the rest of them and
even threatened to post the contents of the project files I had sent
you when you agreed to read them. And that hurt. *Big time*. Out of
left field my friend blew into the newsgroup and started piling on the
shit with the rest of the assholes. Well, so be it. Live and learn.
I'm going to stop typing now and send this. I've pretty much said all
I want to say. And this is going to be the last post I will make in
this newsgroup longer than a couple-sentence quip every now and then,
as I've been doing. This pathetic newsgroup isnt worth any more of my
time than that. I do find the place occasionally entertaining, though.
Like the next guy, I'm fascinated by train wrecks.
And if you feel inclined to reply to what I'm writing here, that's
your choice. But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again. It took me awhile, but last summer I
finally learned my lesson. And the lesson is, never try to make
friends with a cobra. They'll turn around and bite you every time.
It's always someone else, isn't it?
I've thought all along the point and purpose of this ng (if there is
one) is "group therapy".
We all get a chance to be open and honest and speak up, at least at some
point, without some big brother moderator and censor telling us we can't. Or
shouldn't. Or how we could/should be... and why.
Not saying anyone is a snake, but your line about the cobra reminded me
of something I came across once on a website.
"If you're going to play with rattesnakes, remember what rattlesnakes
do".
Putting that in course terms (this being a course ng- and who's to say
just WHAT that is or should be at any given time) "once you see someone as a
rattlesnake, don't be surprised if they're like one".
But, it's never the other person, it's never "someone else".
Just offered as possible course dscussion, and not any judgement or
criticism of your feelings towards bill, Which you explained clearly, if he
is interested in hearing it and considering it.
And just for the record, I tried to talk to him after his daughter'
murder, too (on this ng) and he told me that some people shouldn't try and
say anything at a time like that and I'm one of them. Paraphrased from
memory. I.E. shut the fuck up.
Not bad advice and I have considered it and sometmes even remembere it.
You can't chase someone around tryiing to be friends with them, or "get"
them to be a certain way. You can offer, or not, and take them or leave
them. Make a peaceful choice.
Not saying you can't also tell them how you feel.
MikeRyder
2010-02-14 21:25:23 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:56:04 -0500, "Carrie"
Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:49:02 -0800 (PST), mr bill
Post by mr bill
Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:47:30 +0100, expires
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On Fri Feb 12 2010 04:13:59 GMT+0100
Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:21:53 +0100, expires
Post by expires
On Fri Feb 12 2010 00:50:20 GMT+0100
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query...
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
Kind of like the newsgroup. lol
and yet you cannot stop feeding your addiction to the conflict that
you breed here
after a long hiatus i return to predictably find you here wallowing
in your own slime
you are a truly pathetic excuse for a human being michael tanner
truly and magnificently pathetic
bill,
In my reply to what you said above, last night, I said...
Post by MikeRyder
I see you and your hatred are back.
no more for you.
I had intended to leave it at that--just a quick comment and then move
on. But today I've decided to take a few minutes and say a little
more. It's about you, and it's about this pathetic excuse for an
acim-dedicated newsgroup, all wrapped up in an absence of human
decency.
Last spring, while you were apparently off at your management training
program for the pizza company, I posted a brief thought about the
revelation of god as it's discussed in the first pages of A Course in
Miracles. Revelation as a subject for consideration has interested me
for a very long time. My intention was to say a couple things and
leave it at that. And the "advanced" religioners in this newsgroup
*could* have left it at just a few words, too. But they didn't.
First up was deborah bc (no surprise there) who, as she's done before,
pronounced me to be a Wayne-clone--as if I had no brain of my own to
draw my own independent conclusions. That was enough to start the
newsgroup slide once again into the toilet, this time to a depth of
shit I never before thought possible, in which the "advanced" acimers
to a man crawled out of their rat holes to trash me with every
vicious, malicious word they could come up with. If not full blast, at
the least their behavior bordered on sociopathic. The depth of this
two-month-long viciousness came when one of the more pathetic
hangers-on, upon discovering my orientation, called me filthy names
including an epithet that I wont repeat again, but it had to do with a
rooster and a lollipop. If you weren't there at the time I'll let you
figure out what he repeated--over and over.
Why did the acimer regulars and their hanger-on do this? In posting my
thoughts on the revelation of god it was obvious that I threatened
their carefully constructed acim religion. So, as they've done before
with people who they disagreed with, they went to war, the intention
of which was as usual to drive the offender off the newsgroup in any
indecent way they needed to. The acimers in this group are no
different from cowardly religious fundamentalist extremists the world
over.
I could have gone the way of so many others who've been pushed out of
here. But I chose to take a stand and not let the "advanced" acimers
prod me into the volcano. Thus I remained in this newsgroup and simply
let them spew their shit and vomit all over me. I suspect it was very
frustrating for them. The more episodes of explosive diarrhea they
had, the more I insisted on staying around.
For all their declarations of peaceful luvin', last summer those
"advanced" acimers showed their true colors. I've got this pathetic
newsgroup's number now.
Then there is you. We used to exchange occasional emails back and
forth, beginning a year and a half ago? two years ago? something like
that. I remember now that it was mostly I who initiated those emails.
And eventually you would reply. And I sent those first emails not
because I was on some acim mission to save your sorry ass, but because
over the years prior you always seemed like a good guy, a guy I
thought I'd like to make friends with outside the newsgroup. It was
about a human-to-human friendship.
And in our private conversations, you took the opportunity to spew out
your bitter hatred for Ellen and her friend Debra apparently for the
sin of not paying enough attention to you after your daughter was
murdered. Apparently their failure to satisfactorily console you
justified your everlasting enmity. Did I get this right?
I dont remember you volunteering information about the details of your
daughter's death. Maybe you thought I had read about it in the
newsgroup. But I hadnt, and I do remember asking you about it. And
what you told me was hair-raising, so much so that I did my best to
say a few things that I hoped would make sense. Forget the son of god
thing. That's what friends do. Your response was to tell me that what
I said was more than even your family had ever told you. Evidently
your family had said next to nothing. And having a cousin who'd been
kidnapped and raped when she was a teenager, and her family tried to
suppress any discussion of the event because they didnt know what else
to do, I suggested that maybe your family was the same way. Maybe they
just didnt know how to handle the murder of your daughter. Did that
help you? I dont know.
There was something else I told you. I said that for the life of me I
didnt understand why you were willing to give that monster of a
murderer power over you like you were doing. I dont know if those
words helped, but I do know that shortly thereafter you got off your
ass and did something other than just spend your life getting high and
hating the monster. You put aside the stoner trip you were on at the
time enough to apply for management training at the pizza company.
Assuming that you're still a manager now, the rest, as they say, is
history.
Again, I dont know if anything I said helped, but if it did I'm glad.
That IS what friends are for. At one point you even told me I was a
good friend. I appreciated that. And the same applied to you from my
standpoint.
When you started manager's training I didnt hear anything from you
again until you showed back up in the newsgroup at the tail end of the
two-month obscenity the "advanced" acimers were waging. Without even
knowing the details you piled on right along with the rest of them and
even threatened to post the contents of the project files I had sent
you when you agreed to read them. And that hurt. *Big time*. Out of
left field my friend blew into the newsgroup and started piling on the
shit with the rest of the assholes. Well, so be it. Live and learn.
I'm going to stop typing now and send this. I've pretty much said all
I want to say. And this is going to be the last post I will make in
this newsgroup longer than a couple-sentence quip every now and then,
as I've been doing. This pathetic newsgroup isnt worth any more of my
time than that. I do find the place occasionally entertaining, though.
Like the next guy, I'm fascinated by train wrecks.
And if you feel inclined to reply to what I'm writing here, that's
your choice. But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again. It took me awhile, but last summer I
finally learned my lesson. And the lesson is, never try to make
friends with a cobra. They'll turn around and bite you every time.
It's always someone else, isn't it?
I've thought all along the point and purpose of this ng (if there is
one) is "group therapy".
To engage in "group therapy" is to wallow in a snakepit? No.
Post by Carrie
We all get a chance to be open and honest and speak up, at least at some
point, without some big brother moderator and censor telling us we can't. Or
shouldn't. Or how we could/should be... and why.
Not saying anyone is a snake, but your line about the cobra reminded me
of something I came across once on a website.
"If you're going to play with rattesnakes, remember what rattlesnakes
do".
Putting that in course terms (this being a course ng- and who's to say
just WHAT that is or should be at any given time) "once you see someone as a
rattlesnake, don't be surprised if they're like one".
But, it's never the other person, it's never "someone else".
Just offered as possible course dscussion, and not any judgement or
criticism of your feelings towards bill, Which you explained clearly, if he
is interested in hearing it and considering it.
And just for the record, I tried to talk to him after his daughter'
murder, too (on this ng) and he told me that some people shouldn't try and
say anything at a time like that and I'm one of them. Paraphrased from
memory. I.E. shut the fuck up.
Not bad advice and I have considered it and sometmes even remembere it.
You can't chase someone around tryiing to be friends with them, or "get"
them to be a certain way. You can offer, or not, and take them or leave
them. Make a peaceful choice.
Not saying you can't also tell them how you feel.
I have never chased anyone around trying to make them a friend.

I want to add something else here. During the two-month obscenity
fest, when the "advanced" acimers were drawing up battle lines, I was
put into the advaita side of the war. Though I read and appreciated
the things that Ellen posted, I know next to nothing about advaita
other than what she posted. I dont live my life from any
religion--neither the advaita religion nor the acim religion.
Carrie
2010-02-15 15:24:34 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:56:04 -0500, "Carrie"
Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:49:02 -0800 (PST), mr bill
Post by mr bill
Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:47:30 +0100, expires
Post by expires
On Fri Feb 12 2010 04:13:59 GMT+0100
Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:21:53 +0100, expires
Post by expires
On Fri Feb 12 2010 00:50:20 GMT+0100
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query...
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on
youtube about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here.
lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
Kind of like the newsgroup. lol
and yet you cannot stop feeding your addiction to the conflict
that you breed here
after a long hiatus i return to predictably find you here
wallowing in your own slime
you are a truly pathetic excuse for a human being michael tanner
truly and magnificently pathetic
bill,
In my reply to what you said above, last night, I said...
Post by MikeRyder
I see you and your hatred are back.
no more for you.
I had intended to leave it at that--just a quick comment and then
move on. But today I've decided to take a few minutes and say a
little more. It's about you, and it's about this pathetic excuse
for an acim-dedicated newsgroup, all wrapped up in an absence of
human decency.
Last spring, while you were apparently off at your management
training program for the pizza company, I posted a brief thought
about the revelation of god as it's discussed in the first pages of
A Course in Miracles. Revelation as a subject for consideration has
interested me for a very long time. My intention was to say a
couple things and leave it at that. And the "advanced" religioners
in this newsgroup *could* have left it at just a few words, too.
But they didn't.
First up was deborah bc (no surprise there) who, as she's done
before, pronounced me to be a Wayne-clone--as if I had no brain of
my own to draw my own independent conclusions. That was enough to
start the newsgroup slide once again into the toilet, this time to
a depth of shit I never before thought possible, in which the
"advanced" acimers to a man crawled out of their rat holes to trash
me with every vicious, malicious word they could come up with. If
not full blast, at the least their behavior bordered on
sociopathic. The depth of this two-month-long viciousness came when
one of the more pathetic hangers-on, upon discovering my
orientation, called me filthy names including an epithet that I
wont repeat again, but it had to do with a rooster and a lollipop.
If you weren't there at the time I'll let you figure out what he
repeated--over and over.
Why did the acimer regulars and their hanger-on do this? In posting
my thoughts on the revelation of god it was obvious that I
threatened their carefully constructed acim religion. So, as
they've done before with people who they disagreed with, they went
to war, the intention of which was as usual to drive the offender
off the newsgroup in any indecent way they needed to. The acimers
in this group are no different from cowardly religious
fundamentalist extremists the world over.
I could have gone the way of so many others who've been pushed out
of here. But I chose to take a stand and not let the "advanced"
acimers prod me into the volcano. Thus I remained in this newsgroup
and simply let them spew their shit and vomit all over me. I
suspect it was very frustrating for them. The more episodes of
explosive diarrhea they had, the more I insisted on staying around.
For all their declarations of peaceful luvin', last summer those
"advanced" acimers showed their true colors. I've got this pathetic
newsgroup's number now.
Then there is you. We used to exchange occasional emails back and
forth, beginning a year and a half ago? two years ago? something
like that. I remember now that it was mostly I who initiated those
emails. And eventually you would reply. And I sent those first
emails not because I was on some acim mission to save your sorry
ass, but because over the years prior you always seemed like a good
guy, a guy I thought I'd like to make friends with outside the
newsgroup. It was about a human-to-human friendship.
And in our private conversations, you took the opportunity to spew
out your bitter hatred for Ellen and her friend Debra apparently
for the sin of not paying enough attention to you after your
daughter was murdered. Apparently their failure to satisfactorily
console you justified your everlasting enmity. Did I get this right?
I dont remember you volunteering information about the details of
your daughter's death. Maybe you thought I had read about it in the
newsgroup. But I hadnt, and I do remember asking you about it. And
what you told me was hair-raising, so much so that I did my best to
say a few things that I hoped would make sense. Forget the son of
god thing. That's what friends do. Your response was to tell me
that what I said was more than even your family had ever told you.
Evidently your family had said next to nothing. And having a cousin
who'd been kidnapped and raped when she was a teenager, and her
family tried to suppress any discussion of the event because they
didnt know what else to do, I suggested that maybe your family was
the same way. Maybe they just didnt know how to handle the murder
of your daughter. Did that help you? I dont know.
There was something else I told you. I said that for the life of me
I didnt understand why you were willing to give that monster of a
murderer power over you like you were doing. I dont know if those
words helped, but I do know that shortly thereafter you got off your
ass and did something other than just spend your life getting high
and hating the monster. You put aside the stoner trip you were on
at the time enough to apply for management training at the pizza
company. Assuming that you're still a manager now, the rest, as
they say, is history.
Again, I dont know if anything I said helped, but if it did I'm
glad. That IS what friends are for. At one point you even told me I
was a good friend. I appreciated that. And the same applied to you
from my standpoint.
When you started manager's training I didnt hear anything from you
again until you showed back up in the newsgroup at the tail end of
the two-month obscenity the "advanced" acimers were waging. Without
even knowing the details you piled on right along with the rest of
them and even threatened to post the contents of the project files
I had sent you when you agreed to read them. And that hurt. *Big
time*. Out of left field my friend blew into the newsgroup and
started piling on the shit with the rest of the assholes. Well, so
be it. Live and learn.
I'm going to stop typing now and send this. I've pretty much said
all I want to say. And this is going to be the last post I will
make in this newsgroup longer than a couple-sentence quip every now
and then, as I've been doing. This pathetic newsgroup isnt worth
any more of my time than that. I do find the place occasionally
entertaining, though. Like the next guy, I'm fascinated by train
wrecks.
And if you feel inclined to reply to what I'm writing here, that's
your choice. But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again. It took me awhile, but last summer I
finally learned my lesson. And the lesson is, never try to make
friends with a cobra. They'll turn around and bite you every time.
It's always someone else, isn't it?
I've thought all along the point and purpose of this ng (if there
is one) is "group therapy".
To engage in "group therapy" is to wallow in a snakepit? No.
Post by Carrie
We all get a chance to be open and honest and speak up, at least
at some point, without some big brother moderator and censor telling
us we can't. Or shouldn't. Or how we could/should be... and why.
Not saying anyone is a snake, but your line about the cobra
reminded me of something I came across once on a website.
"If you're going to play with rattesnakes, remember what
rattlesnakes do".
Putting that in course terms (this being a course ng- and who's
to say just WHAT that is or should be at any given time) "once you
see someone as a rattlesnake, don't be surprised if they're like
one". But, it's never the other person, it's never "someone else".
Just offered as possible course dscussion, and not any judgement
or criticism of your feelings towards bill, Which you explained
clearly, if he is interested in hearing it and considering it.
And just for the record, I tried to talk to him after his
daughter' murder, too (on this ng) and he told me that some people
shouldn't try and say anything at a time like that and I'm one of
them. Paraphrased from memory. I.E. shut the fuck up.
Not bad advice and I have considered it and sometmes even
remembere it. You can't chase someone around tryiing to be friends
with them, or "get" them to be a certain way. You can offer, or not,
and take them or leave them. Make a peaceful choice.
Not saying you can't also tell them how you feel.
I have never chased anyone around trying to make them a friend.
I want to add something else here. During the two-month obscenity
fest, when the "advanced" acimers were drawing up battle lines, I was
put into the advaita side of the war. Though I read and appreciated
the things that Ellen posted, I know next to nothing about advaita
other than what she posted. I dont live my life from any
religion--neither the advaita religion nor the acim religion.
Oh I didn't mean you personally, Mike. Except maybe you writing to bill on
here, but that is more you telling him how you feel and don't think there's
anything wrong with that.
I remember all you speak about (i.e. advaita) I think I skipped most of
it. I know at one point you got angry about something and started postiing
from that.
Again, nothing wrong with that.
I don't think I was paying close attention at the time, it didn't seem
like anything that interested me. Not criticism of it (any of it) just like
a choice.
HappyMike
2010-02-14 15:12:01 UTC
Permalink
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.


Separation like conflict is impossible.
MikeRyder
2010-02-14 21:27:22 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:12:01 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
Thank you for your typical pronouncement of the acim-obvious. Try
being a little more insightful and I might take you seriously.

lol
HappyMike
2010-02-15 01:07:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:12:01 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
Thank you for your typical pronouncement of the acim-obvious. Try
being a little more insightful and I might take you seriously.
lol
Great insight always leads to the obvious. Why not just state the
obvious?
MikeRyder
2010-02-15 02:25:20 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:12:01 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
Thank you for your typical pronouncement of the acim-obvious. Try
being a little more insightful and I might take you seriously.
lol
Great insight always leads to the obvious. Why not just state the
obvious?
In you, the "obvious" is superficial.
HappyMike
2010-02-15 16:39:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:12:01 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
Thank you for your typical pronouncement of the acim-obvious. Try
being a little more insightful and I might take you seriously.
lol
Great insight always leads to the obvious. Why not just state the
obvious?
In you, the "obvious" is superficial.
You are not superficial.
MikeRyder
2010-02-15 23:35:19 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:39:55 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:12:01 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
Thank you for your typical pronouncement of the acim-obvious. Try
being a little more insightful and I might take you seriously.
lol
Great insight always leads to the obvious. Why not just state the
obvious?
In you, the "obvious" is superficial.
You are not superficial.
Your take on things is.
HappyMike
2010-02-16 01:52:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by MikeRyder
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:39:55 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:12:01 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
Thank you for your typical pronouncement of the acim-obvious. Try
being a little more insightful and I might take you seriously.
lol
Great insight always leads to the obvious. Why not just state the
obvious?
In you, the "obvious" is superficial.
You are not superficial.
Your take on things is.
Your thoughts about things might seem superficial, but the you behind
the mask is not.
MikeRyder
2010-02-16 01:56:25 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:52:30 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:39:55 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:12:01 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
Thank you for your typical pronouncement of the acim-obvious. Try
being a little more insightful and I might take you seriously.
lol
Great insight always leads to the obvious. Why not just state the
obvious?
In you, the "obvious" is superficial.
You are not superficial.
Your take on things is.
Your thoughts about things might seem superficial, but the you behind
the mask is not.
I'd really like to see you a little less glibly "reflective" and more
real.
HappyMike
2010-02-16 02:16:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by MikeRyder
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:52:30 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:39:55 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:07:27 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:12:01 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
Thank you for your typical pronouncement of the acim-obvious. Try
being a little more insightful and I might take you seriously.
lol
Great insight always leads to the obvious. Why not just state the
obvious?
In you, the "obvious" is superficial.
You are not superficial.
Your take on things is.
Your thoughts about things might seem superficial, but the you behind
the mask is not.
I'd really like to see you a little less glibly "reflective" and more
real.
A little less or a lot less?

LOL
Carrie
2010-02-15 15:25:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's made
of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of peace
and resolution.
HappyMike
2010-02-15 16:51:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
     It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's made
of it.
     Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of peace
and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.

Communication is salvation.
Carrie
2010-02-15 17:26:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's made
of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of
peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
Doesn't matter how he sounds.
All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see everything
and everyone else.
That's my take on it.
And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their choices,
that is their choice.
HappyMike
2010-02-15 17:47:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's made
of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of
peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
 Doesn't matter how he sounds.
 All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
 If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see everything
and everyone else.
 That's my take on it.
 And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their choices,
that is  their choice.
But its not really a choice its an illusion of choice.
Carrie
2010-02-16 00:55:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's
made of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of
peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
Doesn't matter how he sounds.
All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see
everything and everyone else.
That's my take on it.
And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their
choices, that is their choice.
But its not really a choice its an illusion of choice.
Or, maybe a choice within the illusion?
Sometimes I thik we (egos who believe we are in bodies) think too much.
Try and "figger things out". Which probably isn't possible, except maybe in
a very basic kind of way.
HappyMike
2010-02-16 01:54:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's
made of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of
peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
Doesn't matter how he sounds.
All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see
everything and everyone else.
That's my take on it.
And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their
choices, that is their choice.
But its not really a choice its an illusion of choice.
  Or, maybe a choice within the illusion?
   Sometimes I thik we (egos who believe we are in bodies) think too much.
Try and "figger things out". Which probably isn't possible, except maybe in
a very basic kind of way.
I think the highest figuring we can do is to realize that we don't
know. Is that the basic kind of way you are referring too?
ellie
2010-02-16 04:14:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's
made of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of
peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
Doesn't matter how he sounds.
All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see
everything and everyone else.
That's my take on it.
And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their
choices, that is their choice.
But its not really a choice its an illusion of choice.
  Or, maybe a choice within the illusion?
   Sometimes I thik we (egos who believe we are in bodies) think too much.
Try and "figger things out". Which probably isn't possible, except maybe in
a very basic kind of way.
I think the highest figuring we can do is to realize that we don't
know. Is that the basic kind of way you are referring too?
If you really believe this to be true then why spend so much time
telling Mike he is unhappy?
It seems conflicted to me.
HappyMike
2010-02-16 09:01:22 UTC
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Post by ellie
Post by HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's
made of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of
peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
Doesn't matter how he sounds.
All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see
everything and everyone else.
That's my take on it.
And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their
choices, that is their choice.
But its not really a choice its an illusion of choice.
  Or, maybe a choice within the illusion?
   Sometimes I thik we (egos who believe we are in bodies) think too much.
Try and "figger things out". Which probably isn't possible, except maybe in
a very basic kind of way.
I think the highest figuring we can do is to realize that we don't
know. Is that the basic kind of way you are referring too?
If you really believe this to be true then why spend so much time
telling Mike he is unhappy?
It seems conflicted to me.
Time is an illusion.
HappyMike
2010-02-16 09:28:00 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
Post by ellie
Post by HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyMike
Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's
made of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of
peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
Doesn't matter how he sounds.
All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see
everything and everyone else.
That's my take on it.
And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their
choices, that is their choice.
But its not really a choice its an illusion of choice.
  Or, maybe a choice within the illusion?
   Sometimes I thik we (egos who believe we are in bodies) think too much.
Try and "figger things out". Which probably isn't possible, except maybe in
a very basic kind of way.
I think the highest figuring we can do is to realize that we don't
know. Is that the basic kind of way you are referring too?
If you really believe this to be true then why spend so much time
telling Mike he is unhappy?
It seems conflicted to me.
Time is an illusion.
Why are you trying to spend time tell me I'm conflicted?
expires
2010-02-16 11:30:35 UTC
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On Tue Feb 16 2010 10:01:22 GMT+0100
[...]
Post by HappyMike
Time is an illusion.
Not for you, BlatherMike ;-))
HappyMike
2010-02-16 15:28:47 UTC
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Post by expires
On Tue Feb 16 2010 10:01:22 GMT+0100
[...]
Post by HappyMike
Time is an illusion.
Not for you, BlatherMike ;-))
Oh yes it is very much so.
MikeRyder
2010-02-16 22:24:20 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:28:47 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by expires
On Tue Feb 16 2010 10:01:22 GMT+0100
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Post by HappyMike
Time is an illusion.
Not for you, BlatherMike ;-))
Oh yes it is very much so.
[Twilight Zone music followed by the sound of crickets]
HappyMike
2010-02-17 00:40:05 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:28:47 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
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Post by HappyMike
Time is an illusion.
Not for you, BlatherMike ;-))
Oh yes it is very much so.
[Twilight Zone music followed by the sound of crickets]
No very much not so.
As a matter of fact I wrote this post yesterday which was only an
instant ago in for me.
Deborah
2010-02-17 06:41:39 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
Time is an illusion.
Not for you, BlatherMike ;-))
Oh yes it is very much so.
[Twilight Zone music followed by the sound of crickets]
No very much not so.
As a matter of fact I wrote this post yesterday which was only an
instant ago in for me.
Have you nothing better to do with your time? I'm watching the men's
hockey in the 2010 Olympics, myself. Been a pretty boring day 1,
though, I must admit. The matchups have been so uneven. What chance
did Switzerland have against the USA? Norway against Canada? Latvia
against Russia? Nada.

Deborah (BC)
ellie
2010-02-17 06:49:05 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:40:05 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
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Post by HappyMike
Time is an illusion.
Not for you, BlatherMike ;-))
Oh yes it is very much so.
[Twilight Zone music followed by the sound of crickets]
No very much not so.
As a matter of fact I wrote this post yesterday which was only an
instant ago in for me.
Have you nothing better to do with your time?  I'm watching the men's
hockey in the 2010 Olympics, myself.  Been a pretty boring day 1,
though, I must admit.  The matchups have been so uneven.  What chance
did Switzerland have against the USA?  Norway against Canada?  Latvia
against Russia?  Nada.
Deborah (BC)
How are you Deborah?
Carrie
2010-02-17 13:50:21 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:40:05 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:28:47 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
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Post by HappyMike
Time is an illusion.
Not for you, BlatherMike ;-))
Oh yes it is very much so.
[Twilight Zone music followed by the sound of crickets]
No very much not so.
As a matter of fact I wrote this post yesterday which was only an
instant ago in for me.
Have you nothing better to do with your time? I'm watching the men's
hockey in the 2010 Olympics, myself. Been a pretty boring day 1,
though, I must admit. The matchups have been so uneven. What chance
did Switzerland have against the USA? Norway against Canada? Latvia
against Russia? Nada.
Deborah (BC)
I wonder how they figure that out, who plays who? Maybe they have a
drawing of some knd.
I have been watching the figure skating mainly. What I've noticed is, the
commentators remarks about every little thing they see as negative or a
mistake, and how "terrible" they make this seem. While, aside from a
mistake, maybe 2 the skaters are doing things one might think is humanly
impossible to do. I bet the commentators couldn't do it.
The same with the pairs skaters. The things they were doing- while going
over ice (very fast) were nothing more than amazing.
But, the focus is usually on the negative, they didn't land just right,
they slipped in one jump, etc. Even though everything else was, well,
amazing.
Same with all the downhill stuff like the skiiing and snowboarding.
I finally end up putting it on to tape and going to bed, because it gets
late here.
I bet a lot of people are going to want to move to B.C. after watching
this. It's so beautiful there.

Carrie
2010-02-16 18:29:11 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than
what's made of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place
of peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
Doesn't matter how he sounds.
All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see
everything and everyone else.
That's my take on it.
And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their
choices, that is their choice.
But its not really a choice its an illusion of choice.
Or, maybe a choice within the illusion?
Sometimes I thik we (egos who believe we are in bodies) think too
much. Try and "figger things out". Which probably isn't possible,
except maybe in a very basic kind of way.
I think the highest figuring we can do is to realize that we don't
know. Is that the basic kind of way you are referring too?
If you really believe this to be true then why spend so much time
telling Mike he is unhappy?
It seems conflicted to me.
Time is an illusion.
It is...
Carrie
2010-02-17 02:09:46 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's
made of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place
of peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
Doesn't matter how he sounds.
All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see
everything and everyone else.
That's my take on it.
And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their
choices, that is their choice.
But its not really a choice its an illusion of choice.
Or, maybe a choice within the illusion?
Sometimes I thik we (egos who believe we are in bodies) think too
much. Try and "figger things out". Which probably isn't possible,
except maybe in a very basic kind of way.
I think the highest figuring we can do is to realize that we don't
know. Is that the basic kind of way you are referring too?
If you really believe this to be true then why spend so much time
telling Mike he is unhappy?
It seems conflicted to me.
Or, it doesn't really matter.
Carrie
2010-02-17 02:08:35 UTC
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Post by Carrie
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Post by Carrie
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Post by Carrie
Post by MikeRyder
But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again.
Separation like conflict is impossible.
It's a choice. Not good, not bad, not anything other than what's
made of it.
Choosing to never speak to someone again can come from a place of
peace and resolution.
Ya he really sounded peaceful when he said it.
Communication is salvation.
Doesn't matter how he sounds.
All we can do is make our own choices (peaceful or not)
If we're coming from peace (or whatever) that's how we will see
everything and everyone else.
That's my take on it.
And, even IF someone else really isn't coming from peace in their
choices, that is their choice.
But its not really a choice its an illusion of choice.
Or, maybe a choice within the illusion?
Sometimes I thik we (egos who believe we are in bodies) think too
much. Try and "figger things out". Which probably isn't possible,
except maybe in a very basic kind of way.
I think the highest figuring we can do is to realize that we don't
know. Is that the basic kind of way you are referring too?
Pretty much.
We can really only speculate, at best.
Jasmine
2010-02-15 14:48:00 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:47:30 +0100, expires
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:21:53 +0100, expires
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On Fri Feb 12 2010 00:50:20 GMT+0100
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query...
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
Kind of like the newsgroup. lol
and yet you cannot stop feeding your addiction to the conflict that
you breed here
after a long hiatus i return to predictably find you here wallowing in
your own slime
you are a truly pathetic excuse for a human being michael tanner
truly and magnificently pathetic
bill,
In my reply to what you said above, last night, I said...
Post by MikeRyder
I see you and your hatred are back.
no more for you.
I had intended to leave it at that--just a quick comment and then move
on. But today I've decided to take a few minutes and say a little
more. It's about you, and it's about this pathetic excuse for an
acim-dedicated newsgroup, all wrapped up in an absence of human
decency.
Last spring, while you were apparently off at your management training
program for the pizza company, I posted a brief thought about the
revelation of god as it's discussed in the first pages of A Course in
Miracles. Revelation as a subject for consideration has interested me
for a very long time. My intention was to say a couple things and
leave it at that. And the "advanced" religioners in this newsgroup
*could* have left it at just a few words, too. But they didn't.
First up was deborah bc (no surprise there) who, as she's done before,
pronounced me to be a Wayne-clone--as if I had no brain of my own to
draw my own independent conclusions. That was enough to start the
newsgroup slide once again into the toilet, this time to a depth of
shit I never before thought possible, in which the "advanced" acimers
to a man crawled out of their rat holes to trash me with every
vicious, malicious word they could come up with. If not full blast, at
the least their behavior bordered on sociopathic. The depth of this
two-month-long viciousness came when one of the more pathetic
hangers-on, upon discovering my orientation, called me filthy names
including an epithet that I wont repeat again, but it had to do with a
rooster and a lollipop. If you weren't there at the time I'll let you
figure out what he repeated--over and over.
Why did the acimer regulars and their hanger-on do this? In posting my
thoughts on the revelation of god it was obvious that I threatened
their carefully constructed acim religion. So, as they've done before
with people who they disagreed with, they went to war, the intention
of which was as usual to drive the offender off the newsgroup in any
indecent way they needed to. The acimers in this group are no
different from cowardly religious fundamentalist extremists the world
over.
I could have gone the way of so many others who've been pushed out of
here. But I chose to take a stand and not let the "advanced" acimers
prod me into the volcano. Thus I remained in this newsgroup and simply
let them spew their shit and vomit all over me. I suspect it was very
frustrating for them. The more episodes of explosive diarrhea they
had, the more I insisted on staying around.
For all their declarations of peaceful luvin', last summer those
"advanced" acimers showed their true colors. I've got this pathetic
newsgroup's number now.
Then there is you. We used to exchange occasional emails back and
forth, beginning a year and a half ago? two years ago? something like
that. I remember now that it was mostly I who initiated those emails.
And eventually you would reply. And I sent those first emails not
because I was on some acim mission to save your sorry ass, but because
over the years prior you always seemed like a good guy, a guy I
thought I'd like to make friends with outside the newsgroup. It was
about a human-to-human friendship.
And in our private conversations, you took the opportunity to spew out
your bitter hatred for Ellen and her friend Debra apparently for the
sin of not paying enough attention to you after your daughter was
murdered. Apparently their failure to satisfactorily console you
justified your everlasting enmity. Did I get this right?
I dont remember you volunteering information about the details of your
daughter's death. Maybe you thought I had read about it in the
newsgroup. But I hadnt, and I do remember asking you about it. And
what you told me was hair-raising, so much so that I did my best to
say a few things that I hoped would make sense. Forget the son of god
thing. That's what friends do. Your response was to tell me that what
I said was more than even your family had ever told you. Evidently
your family had said next to nothing. And having a cousin who'd been
kidnapped and raped when she was a teenager, and her family tried to
suppress any discussion of the event because they didnt know what else
to do, I suggested that maybe your family was the same way. Maybe they
just didnt know how to handle the murder of your daughter. Did that
help you? I dont know.
There was something else I told you. I said that for the life of me I
didnt understand why you were willing to give that monster of a
murderer power over you like you were doing. I dont know if those
words helped, but I do know that shortly thereafter you got off your
ass and did something other than just spend your life getting high and
hating the monster. You put aside the stoner trip you were on at the
time enough to apply for management training at the pizza company.
Assuming that you're still a manager now, the rest, as they say, is
history.
Again, I dont know if anything I said helped, but if it did I'm glad.
That IS what friends are for. At one point you even told me I was a
good friend. I appreciated that. And the same applied to you from my
standpoint.
When you started manager's training I didnt hear anything from you
again until you showed back up in the newsgroup at the tail end of the
two-month obscenity the "advanced" acimers were waging. Without even
knowing the details you piled on right along with the rest of them and
even threatened to post the contents of the project files I had sent
you when you agreed to read them. And that hurt. *Big time*. Out of
left field my friend blew into the newsgroup and started piling on the
shit with the rest of the assholes. Well, so be it. Live and learn.
I'm going to stop typing now and send this. I've pretty much said all
I want to say. And this is going to be the last post I will make in
this newsgroup longer than a couple-sentence quip every now and then,
as I've been doing. This pathetic newsgroup isnt worth any more of my
time than that. I do find the place occasionally entertaining, though.
Like the next guy, I'm fascinated by train wrecks.
And if you feel inclined to reply to what I'm writing here, that's
your choice. But it's only fair to tell you that I have no intention
of ever speaking to you again. It took me awhile, but last summer I
finally learned my lesson. And the lesson is, never try to make
friends with a cobra. They'll turn around and bite you every time.
thank you for sharing.

it reminds me that we do not have to agree nor disagree in order to
appreciate one another...
May peace be upon you.
Tom
2010-02-15 14:55:53 UTC
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Jasmine " thank you for sharing. it reminds me that we do not have to
agree nor disagree in order to appreciate one another... May peace be
upon you."


~ As crazy as this may sound, it look to me like Mike and Bill love
each other, in their own strange way.
Jasmine
2010-02-15 15:00:53 UTC
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Jasmine  " thank you for sharing. it reminds me that we do not have to
agree nor disagree in order to appreciate one another... May peace be
upon you."
~ As crazy as this may sound, it look to me like Mike and Bill love
each other, in their own strange way.
I've long thought that people can not feign interest nor ignorance.
we love what we love and know that we love it :)

Lord, Help me if that is too abstract.
Tom
2010-02-15 15:30:16 UTC
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Jasmine  " thank you for sharing. it reminds me that we do not have to
agree nor disagree in order to appreciate one another... May peace be
upon you."
~ As crazy as this may sound, it look to me like Mike and Bill love
each other, in their own strange way.
I've long thought that people can not feign interest nor ignorance.
we love what we love and know that we love it  :)
Lord, Help me if that is too abstract.
Jasmine "Lord, Help me if that is too abstract."

~ Sometimes abstract is best. My abstract love for you would be
tarnished in one way or another if ever I made it specific. Don't you
think? The devil is in the details couldn't possibly be more true.
Carrie
2010-02-15 17:29:02 UTC
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Post by Jasmine
Jasmine " thank you for sharing. it reminds me that we do not have
to agree nor disagree in order to appreciate one another... May
peace be upon you."
~ As crazy as this may sound, it look to me like Mike and Bill love
each other, in their own strange way.
I've long thought that people can not feign interest nor ignorance.
we love what we love and know that we love it :)
Lord, Help me if that is too abstract.
Jasmine "Lord, Help me if that is too abstract."
~ Sometimes abstract is best. My abstract love for you would be
tarnished in one way or another if ever I made it specific. Don't you
think? The devil is in the details couldn't possibly be more true.
Makes sense to me.
A lot of the time, maybe all the time (at some point) it's the physical,
ego stuff that gets in the way and can create problems. Like after someone
has left the body (which is laying in a coffin, just a shell) we might
wonder why some of the stuff we didn't like about the person, or clashed
over, was such a big deal.
Carrie
2010-02-15 17:27:35 UTC
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Jasmine " thank you for sharing. it reminds me that we do not have to
agree nor disagree in order to appreciate one another... May peace be
upon you."
~ As crazy as this may sound, it look to me like Mike and Bill love
each other, in their own strange way.
I've long thought that people can not feign interest nor ignorance.
we love what we love and know that we love it :)
Lord, Help me if that is too abstract.
Sort of like knowing where we are coming from by how we feel. If we're
aware we're not feeling good about something, reach for a better feeling
thought.
Carrie
2010-02-15 15:26:49 UTC
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Jasmine " thank you for sharing. it reminds me that we do not have to
agree nor disagree in order to appreciate one another... May peace be
upon you."
~ As crazy as this may sound, it look to me like Mike and Bill love
each other, in their own strange way.
You mean... If they didn't care, they wouldn't be angry and giving
attention to it?
Tom
2010-02-15 19:41:04 UTC
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Jasmine  " thank you for sharing. it reminds me that we do not have to
agree nor disagree in order to appreciate one another... May peace be
upon you."
~ As crazy as this may sound, it look to me like Mike and Bill love
each other, in their own strange way.
  You mean...  If they didn't care, they wouldn't be angry and giving
attention to it?
I think they are faking it. You know, putting on a show.
Carrie
2010-02-16 00:56:07 UTC
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Jasmine " thank you for sharing. it reminds me that we do not have
to agree nor disagree in order to appreciate one another... May
peace be upon you."
~ As crazy as this may sound, it look to me like Mike and Bill love
each other, in their own strange way.
You mean... If they didn't care, they wouldn't be angry and giving
attention to it?
I think they are faking it. You know, putting on a show.
Yes, of course. But, if they didn't care in any way, they wouldn't
bother doing it at all. They'd move on to other things, and have no interest
in it.
Tom
2010-02-15 15:34:15 UTC
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Mike T. "Why did the acimer regulars . . . . "

Do these "acim regulars" have names? I'd like to meet one.
Carrie
2010-02-13 19:35:23 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:47:30 +0100, expires
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On Fri Feb 12 2010 04:13:59 GMT+0100
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:21:53 +0100, expires
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On Fri Feb 12 2010 00:50:20 GMT+0100
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/anything-beyond-the-unive_...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F40110166CE0FF56&search_query...
I enjoyed the comments that followed. Those characters on youtube
about as much as the advanced acimer regulars do here. lol
I hadn't read the YouTube-comments until you
mentioned it, and after the first dozen or so,
I lost any inclination to continue ;-))
Kind of like the newsgroup. lol
and yet you cannot stop feeding your addiction to the conflict that
you breed here
after a long hiatus i return to predictably find you here wallowing in
your own slime
you are a truly pathetic excuse for a human being michael tanner
truly and magnificently pathetic
I hardly ever participate here now, and occasionally check in, but I find
it rather peaceful.
When you look for conflict, you will see it, even where it really isn't.
Tom
2010-02-14 14:30:25 UTC
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Michael Tanner.

That took longer than usual.
Carrie
2010-02-15 15:27:02 UTC
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Michael Tanner.
That took longer than usual.
And now what? LOL
Tom
2010-02-15 15:32:43 UTC
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Michael Tanner.
That took longer than usual.
 And now what? LOL
Carrie "And now what?"

~ As always, I'm awaiting further instructions. And now what for you?
Carrie
2010-02-15 17:37:11 UTC
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Michael Tanner.
That took longer than usual.
And now what? LOL
Carrie "And now what?"
~ As always, I'm awaiting further instructions. And now what for you?
What comes next in the drama.
Apparently he gave Mike's name (he had threatened to months ago, in the
previous chapter. I haven't been keeping up)
I guess it's Mike's move now.
Now we know Mike's real name, now what?
I don't know about anyone else but it didn't matter to me. I like the
name "Ryder" (horses and/or bikes)
Tom
2010-02-15 18:42:50 UTC
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Michael Tanner.
That took longer than usual.
And now what? LOL
Carrie "And now what?"
~ As always, I'm awaiting further instructions.  And now what for you?
 What comes next in the drama.
  Apparently he gave Mike's name (he had threatened to months ago, in the
previous chapter. I haven't been keeping up)
    I guess it's Mike's move now.
    Now we know Mike's real name, now what?
    I don't know about anyone else but it didn't matter to me. I like the
name "Ryder" (horses and/or bikes)
Whatever.
Carrie
2010-02-15 19:37:21 UTC
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Michael Tanner.
That took longer than usual.
And now what? LOL
Carrie "And now what?"
~ As always, I'm awaiting further instructions. And now what for
you?
What comes next in the drama.
Apparently he gave Mike's name (he had threatened to months ago, in
the previous chapter. I haven't been keeping up)
I guess it's Mike's move now.
Now we know Mike's real name, now what?
I don't know about anyone else but it didn't matter to me. I like the
name "Ryder" (horses and/or bikes)
Whatever.
Yup
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