Discussion:
The Ultimate Act of Faith (paragraph 2) "True Meditation" ~ Adyashanti
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ellen
2007-10-12 04:06:01 UTC
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"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Mike
2007-10-12 11:19:20 UTC
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Post by ellen
"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.

Mike
ellen
2007-10-12 17:46:14 UTC
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Post by ellen
"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.
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And this means?
Mike
2007-10-12 17:58:25 UTC
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Post by ellen
"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.
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Sounds like TM. Lots of pronouns. Lots of froth
and not much substance. Goobledegook. Same
old samd old. Heard it many different places.
Nothing new. Reinventing the wheel. More
nourishment in Hi and Lois.

Mike
ellen
2007-10-12 18:08:50 UTC
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Post by ellen
"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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And this means?- Hide quoted text -
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Sounds like TM. Lots of pronouns. Lots of froth
and not much substance. Goobledegook. Same
old samd old. Heard it many different places.
Nothing new. Reinventing the wheel. More
nourishment in Hi and Lois.
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Wow, you got all that from one paragraph.
Katie
2007-10-12 18:37:04 UTC
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Post by Mike
Sounds like TM. Lots of pronouns. Lots of froth
and not much substance. Goobledegook. Same
old samd old. Heard it many different places.
Nothing new. Reinventing the wheel. More
nourishment in Hi and Lois.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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Wow, you got all that from one paragraph.
Not that he would be mocking your beliefs or anything. "Mike" is a very loving person, I'm sure
you can tell.
Carrie
2007-10-12 18:27:18 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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And this means?- Hide quoted text -
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Sounds like TM. Lots of pronouns. Lots of froth
and not much substance. Goobledegook. Same
old samd old. Heard it many different places.
Nothing new. Reinventing the wheel. More
nourishment in Hi and Lois.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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Wow, you got all that from one paragraph.
LOL
Mike
2007-10-12 19:19:10 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by ellen
"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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And this means?- Hide quoted text -
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Sounds like TM. Lots of pronouns. Lots of froth
and not much substance. Goobledegook. Same
old samd old. Heard it many different places.
Nothing new. Reinventing the wheel. More
nourishment in Hi and Lois.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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I went to his website.

Mike
ellen
2007-10-12 19:23:12 UTC
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Post by ellen
"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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And this means?- Hide quoted text -
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Sounds like TM. Lots of pronouns. Lots of froth
and not much substance. Goobledegook. Same
old samd old. Heard it many different places.
Nothing new. Reinventing the wheel. More
nourishment in Hi and Lois.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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Wow, you got all that from one paragraph.- Hide quoted text -
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I went to his website.
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And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?
Mike
2007-10-12 20:16:19 UTC
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.

If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.

Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.

Mike
deb_lotus_tx
2007-10-12 21:02:25 UTC
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Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
Where did leader come from? deb
Carrie
2007-10-12 21:20:13 UTC
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Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
Where did leader come from? deb
Adyashanti and Yogananda? Ganjaji has been mentioned. And of course
Wayne.

Where did the parking meters come from, for that matter?

It's just lines from a Bob Dylan song.
deb_lotus_tx
2007-10-12 21:45:08 UTC
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Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?-
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
Where did leader come from? deb
Adyashanti and Yogananda? Ganjaji has been mentioned. And of course
Wayne.
Where did the parking meters come from, for that matter?
It's just lines from a Bob Dylan song.
Oh, I'm a late bloomer with music. LOL
Mike
2007-10-12 22:39:56 UTC
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Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
Where did leader come from? deb- Hide quoted text -
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Isn't the bigger question: Why should I watch the parking meters?

Mike
deb_lotus_tx
2007-10-12 22:48:40 UTC
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Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
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Isn't the bigger question: Why should I watch the parking meters?
Mike
Cause your TV's broke?
Katie
2007-10-13 12:47:45 UTC
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Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
This from the guy who has his nose glued to the Spineless Chiropractor, Sheryl Valentine's wide
ass, and who promotes her drooling gaffawing stupid oaf of a self as some kind of a hot new
Messiah.

Is this how you make yourself feel really Important and Special, Mike? Is The Soulless One the
best you can come up with as someone even more Special and Important than you who you can latch
onto like a starving parasite?
Mike
2007-10-13 13:15:07 UTC
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Post by Mike
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
This from the guy who has his nose glued to the Spineless Chiropractor, Sheryl Valentine's wide
ass, and who promotes her drooling gaffawing stupid oaf of a self as some kind of a hot new
Messiah.
Is this how you make yourself feel really Important and Special, Mike? Is The Soulless One the
best you can come up with as someone even more Special and Important than you who you can latch
onto like a starving parasite?
'who you catch onto...' should be to whom you can...

YBFFL Mike
Reality Scan
2007-10-13 18:47:03 UTC
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Post by Mike
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
This from the guy who has his nose glued to the Spineless Chiropractor, Sheryl Valentine's wide
ass, and who promotes her drooling gaffawing stupid oaf of a self as some kind of a hot new
Messiah.
Is this how you make yourself feel really Important and Special, Mike? Is The Soulless One the
best you can come up with as someone even more Special and Important than you who you can latch
onto like a starving parasite?
'who you catch onto...' should be to whom you can...
YBFFL Mike
Watch out Mike, Katie Dean has a propensity to put her male targets in
dresses along with a large load of sexual humiliation, and sexual
taunts.

Yeah, this is a nasty troll the Smirk Sisters have found.

Too funny
Mike
2007-10-13 19:33:46 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Katie
Post by Mike
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
This from the guy who has his nose glued to the Spineless Chiropractor, Sheryl Valentine's wide
ass, and who promotes her drooling gaffawing stupid oaf of a self as some kind of a hot new
Messiah.
Is this how you make yourself feel really Important and Special, Mike? Is The Soulless One the
best you can come up with as someone even more Special and Important than you who you can latch
onto like a starving parasite?
'who you catch onto...' should be to whom you can...
YBFFL Mike
Watch out Mike, Katie Dean has a propensity to put her male targets in
dresses along with a large load of sexual humiliation, and sexual
taunts.
Yeah, this is a nasty troll the Smirk Sisters have found.
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The Smirk Sisters. I like that.
I was thinking of the Katies.
Katie will block me soon.
She always has.

Mike
Reality Scan
2007-10-13 19:44:59 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Katie
Post by Mike
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
This from the guy who has his nose glued to the Spineless Chiropractor, Sheryl Valentine's wide
ass, and who promotes her drooling gaffawing stupid oaf of a self as some kind of a hot new
Messiah.
Is this how you make yourself feel really Important and Special, Mike? Is The Soulless One the
best you can come up with as someone even more Special and Important than you who you can latch
onto like a starving parasite?
'who you catch onto...' should be to whom you can...
YBFFL Mike
Watch out Mike, Katie Dean has a propensity to put her male targets in
dresses along with a large load of sexual humiliation, and sexual
taunts.
Yeah, this is a nasty troll the Smirk Sisters have found.
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The Smirk Sisters. I like that.
I was thinking of the Katies.
Katie will block me soon.
She always has.
Mike
You noticed how Ellen smirked when Katie let out her bile on Sheryl?

That smirk is the affirmation that passive-aggressive Ellen is in on
and helping along the character assassination of Sheryl without having
to actually say a thing, and destroy her spiritual posturing.

Yeah, you know the routine --the Smirk Sisters are here for "spiritual
discussion," with Katie Dean and Starcheat.

Yeah, that's believable! Selling swamp land to the Injuns.

Notice how "Chuck," stopped posting? I think you nailed aka Marilyn
Cohen's sock puppet.

Too funny
Carrie
2007-10-12 21:06:02 UTC
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Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
The pump don't work
cuz the vandals stole the handles

Live from the internet...

It's FRIDAY NIGHT!

Johnnys in the basement
Mixing up the medicine
Im on the pavement
Thinking about the government
The man in the trench coat
Badge out, laid off
Says hes got a bad cough
Wants to get it paid off
Look out kid
Its somethin you did
God knows when
But youre doin it again
You better duck down the alley way
Lookin for a new friend
The man in the coon-skin cap
In the big pen
Wants eleven dollar bills
You only got ten

Maggie comes fleet foot
Face full of black soot
Talkin that the heat put
Plants in the bed but
The phones tapped anyway
Maggie says that many say
They must bust in early may
Orders from the d. a.
Look out kid
Dont matter what you did
Walk on your tip toes
Dont try no doz
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You dont need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows

Get sick, get well
Hang around a ink well
Ring bell, hard to tell
If anything is goin to sell
Try hard, get barred
Get back, write braille
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army, if you fail
Look out kid
Youre gonna get hit
But losers, cheaters
Six-time users
Hang around the theaters
Girl by the whirlpool
Lookin for a new fool
Dont follow leaders
Watch the parkin meters

Ah get born, keep warm
Short pants, romance, learn to dance
Get dressed, get blessed
Try to be a success
Please her, please him, buy gifts
Dont steal, dont lift
Twenty years of schoolin
And they put you on the day shift
Look out kid
They keep it all hid
Better jump down a manhole
Light yourself a candle
Dont wear sandals
Try to avoid the scandals
Dont wanna be a bum
You better chew gum
The pump dont work
cause the vandals took the handles

Bob Dylan

What a song...
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Mike
Katie
2007-10-13 12:52:37 UTC
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You dont need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows
Another famous line...where the Weather Underground aka "The Weathermen" got their name.
ellen
2007-10-12 21:28:20 UTC
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Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?
Mike
2007-10-12 22:41:46 UTC
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Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
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Sure.

Mike
ellen
2007-10-12 23:06:20 UTC
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Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
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Sure.
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Hope you find *it*.
Reality Scan
2007-10-12 23:23:13 UTC
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And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
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Sure.
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Hope you find *it*.
Did Wayne give you a little badge and membership card when you stopped
being a seeker?

Yeah, End of the Search --you find "it"in Wayne

Gee, what a inside culty joke, Ellen.

You should let Mike in on all the in jokes
Mike
2007-10-12 23:43:30 UTC
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And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
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You're so deep.
How will I ever keep up.

Mike
deb_lotus_tx
2007-10-12 23:50:34 UTC
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And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're so deep.
How will I ever keep up.
Mike
Well you could ask nicely, maybe you will get a trasmission. :))
Reality Scan
2007-10-12 23:54:34 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're so deep.
How will I ever keep up.
Mike
ROTFLMAO
ellen
2007-10-13 07:05:46 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
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You're so deep.
How will I ever keep up.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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Jerk.
Katie
2007-10-13 13:06:13 UTC
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Jerk.
No! He's a very Loving and Enlightened Being! I know, because he says so!
ellen
2007-10-13 17:40:01 UTC
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Jerk.
No! He's a very Loving and Enlightened Being! I know, because he says so!
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No, he said that he's a jerk.
Katie
2007-10-13 19:02:42 UTC
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Post by ellen
Post by Katie
Jerk.
No! He's a very Loving and Enlightened Being! I know, because he says so!
No, he said that he's a jerk.
That too, he's confused.
mr bill
2007-10-13 17:32:04 UTC
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mirror mirror on the wall...
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http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069

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Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're so deep.
How will I ever keep up.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Jerk.
ellen
2007-10-13 17:39:09 UTC
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Post by mr bill
mirror mirror on the wall...
--
http://www.myspace.com/mrbill069http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069
Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're so deep.
How will I ever keep up.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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Jerk.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Appearently you don't understand the joke. But thanks for your
opinion, bill.
mr bill
2007-10-13 17:40:17 UTC
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oh, i understood it

it just wasn't funny
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http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069

Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by ellen
Post by mr bill
mirror mirror on the wall...
--
http://www.myspace.com/mrbill069http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069
Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're so deep.
How will I ever keep up.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Jerk.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Appearently you don't understand the joke. But thanks for your
opinion, bill.
ellen
2007-10-13 17:47:13 UTC
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Post by mr bill
oh, i understood it
it just wasn't funny
--
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Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by ellen
Post by mr bill
mirror mirror on the wall...
--
http://www.myspace.com/mrbill069http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069
Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You're so deep.
How will I ever keep up.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Jerk.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Appearently you don't understand the joke. But thanks for your
opinion, bill.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tough!
Mike
2007-10-13 12:09:25 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Mike
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I get it! I get it!
First, I would like to thank my friends here at TRCM
and other friends all over the globe for this great honor.
I could never have done it without all of you.
When I initially heard of EOTS I had no idea what it
was about. But there was such a clamor on this ng
a couple of years ago that I felt I had to find out what
I could. So I googled it. And this is what I found:
EOTS: Electro-Optical Targeting System.
Fascinating stuff. I read everything about it that I
could get my hands on. But, frankly, it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles.
So I expanded my search and discovered a website
associated with a man named Wayne Austin. And the
heading at the top of the page said End Of The Search.
Wow! How did he know? I was blown away.
So I read what was there, but frankly it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles. I read about
his guru Ganja (I never knew Merle but she wanted me to
buy some books and videos and ornamental headbands
and such). But I had to say no.
However, I did learn something. And I can even relate
it to ACIM in ACIM terms.
If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened. But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily.
As for EOTS: I look forward to the F-35 sub-system
becoming fully functional.

Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.

Mike
deb_lotus_tx
2007-10-13 12:37:01 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I get it! I get it!
First, I would like to thank my friends here at TRCM
and other friends all over the globe for this great honor.
I could never have done it without all of you.
When I initially heard of EOTS I had no idea what it
was about. But there was such a clamor on this ng
a couple of years ago that I felt I had to find out what
EOTS: Electro-Optical Targeting System.
Fascinating stuff. I read everything about it that I
could get my hands on. But, frankly, it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles.
So I expanded my search and discovered a website
associated with a man named Wayne Austin. And the
heading at the top of the page said End Of The Search.
Wow! How did he know? I was blown away.
So I read what was there, but frankly it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles. I read about
his guru Ganja (I never knew Merle but she wanted me to
buy some books and videos and ornamental headbands
and such). But I had to say no.
However, I did learn something. And I can even relate
it to ACIM in ACIM terms.
If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened. But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily.
As for EOTS: I look forward to the F-35 sub-system
becoming fully functional.
Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.
Mike
What does this have to do with the topic?
Mike
2007-10-13 13:12:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I get it! I get it!
First, I would like to thank my friends here at TRCM
and other friends all over the globe for this great honor.
I could never have done it without all of you.
When I initially heard of EOTS I had no idea what it
was about. But there was such a clamor on this ng
a couple of years ago that I felt I had to find out what
EOTS: Electro-Optical Targeting System.
Fascinating stuff. I read everything about it that I
could get my hands on. But, frankly, it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles.
So I expanded my search and discovered a website
associated with a man named Wayne Austin. And the
heading at the top of the page said End Of The Search.
Wow! How did he know? I was blown away.
So I read what was there, but frankly it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles. I read about
his guru Ganja (I never knew Merle but she wanted me to
buy some books and videos and ornamental headbands
and such). But I had to say no.
However, I did learn something. And I can even relate
it to ACIM in ACIM terms.
If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened. But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily.
As for EOTS: I look forward to the F-35 sub-system
becoming fully functional.
Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.
Mike
What does this have to do with the topic?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What does the topic have to do with ACIM?
I connected the dots. I am reasonably sure
that you can, too.
Connect this: I think Katie has rejected your overtures.
Apparently you aren't her type. Check out her loving
response to you in Sheryl Valentine thread. It won't
be long until she starts referring to you as:
deb @ toxic lotus.

Don't go away. You make me laugh.

Mike
deb_lotus_tx
2007-10-13 13:24:09 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I get it! I get it!
First, I would like to thank my friends here at TRCM
and other friends all over the globe for this great honor.
I could never have done it without all of you.
When I initially heard of EOTS I had no idea what it
was about. But there was such a clamor on this ng
a couple of years ago that I felt I had to find out what
EOTS: Electro-Optical Targeting System.
Fascinating stuff. I read everything about it that I
could get my hands on. But, frankly, it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles.
So I expanded my search and discovered a website
associated with a man named Wayne Austin. And the
heading at the top of the page said End Of The Search.
Wow! How did he know? I was blown away.
So I read what was there, but frankly it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles. I read about
his guru Ganja (I never knew Merle but she wanted me to
buy some books and videos and ornamental headbands
and such). But I had to say no.
However, I did learn something. And I can even relate
it to ACIM in ACIM terms.
If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened. But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily.
As for EOTS: I look forward to the F-35 sub-system
becoming fully functional.
Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.
Mike
What does this have to do with the topic?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What does the topic have to do with ACIM?
I connected the dots. I am reasonably sure
that you can, too.
Connect this: I think Katie has rejected your overtures.
Apparently you aren't her type. Check out her loving
response to you in Sheryl Valentine thread. It won't
Don't go away. You make me laugh.
Mike
What does it have to do with the topic of the thread? I'm not concerned how
Katie sees me, why are you?
Katie
2007-10-13 13:34:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike
Don't go away. You make me laugh.
Mike
What does it have to do with the topic of the thread? I'm not concerned how Katie sees me, why
are you?
We can be sure that he believes the same about "himself". I've never met an Assholey who would
admit that anything or anyone puts their knickers in a twist. It's against the Assholey Code, I
guess.
Mike
2007-10-13 13:47:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by deb_lotus_tx
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I get it! I get it!
First, I would like to thank my friends here at TRCM
and other friends all over the globe for this great honor.
I could never have done it without all of you.
When I initially heard of EOTS I had no idea what it
was about. But there was such a clamor on this ng
a couple of years ago that I felt I had to find out what
EOTS: Electro-Optical Targeting System.
Fascinating stuff. I read everything about it that I
could get my hands on. But, frankly, it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles.
So I expanded my search and discovered a website
associated with a man named Wayne Austin. And the
heading at the top of the page said End Of The Search.
Wow! How did he know? I was blown away.
So I read what was there, but frankly it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles. I read about
his guru Ganja (I never knew Merle but she wanted me to
buy some books and videos and ornamental headbands
and such). But I had to say no.
However, I did learn something. And I can even relate
it to ACIM in ACIM terms.
If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened. But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily.
As for EOTS: I look forward to the F-35 sub-system
becoming fully functional.
Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.
Mike
What does this have to do with the topic?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What does the topic have to do with ACIM?
I connected the dots. I am reasonably sure
that you can, too.
Connect this: I think Katie has rejected your overtures.
Apparently you aren't her type. Check out her loving
response to you in Sheryl Valentine thread. It won't
Don't go away. You make me laugh.
Mike
What does it have to do with the topic of the thread? I'm not concerned how
Katie sees me, why are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Quiet, I'm meditating.

Mike
deb_lotus_tx
2007-10-13 13:57:02 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by deb_lotus_tx
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I get it! I get it!
First, I would like to thank my friends here at TRCM
and other friends all over the globe for this great honor.
I could never have done it without all of you.
When I initially heard of EOTS I had no idea what it
was about. But there was such a clamor on this ng
a couple of years ago that I felt I had to find out what
EOTS: Electro-Optical Targeting System.
Fascinating stuff. I read everything about it that I
could get my hands on. But, frankly, it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles.
So I expanded my search and discovered a website
associated with a man named Wayne Austin. And the
heading at the top of the page said End Of The Search.
Wow! How did he know? I was blown away.
So I read what was there, but frankly it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles. I read about
his guru Ganja (I never knew Merle but she wanted me to
buy some books and videos and ornamental headbands
and such). But I had to say no.
However, I did learn something. And I can even relate
it to ACIM in ACIM terms.
If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened. But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily.
As for EOTS: I look forward to the F-35 sub-system
becoming fully functional.
Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.
Mike
What does this have to do with the topic?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What does the topic have to do with ACIM?
I connected the dots. I am reasonably sure
that you can, too.
Connect this: I think Katie has rejected your overtures.
Apparently you aren't her type. Check out her loving
response to you in Sheryl Valentine thread. It won't
Don't go away. You make me laugh.
Mike
What does it have to do with the topic of the thread? I'm not concerned how
Katie sees me, why are you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Quiet, I'm meditating.
Mike
I see, well imagine yourself being present. Chow, off for a fun day at the
Quilt Shop. deb
Reality Scan
2007-10-13 19:57:47 UTC
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Post by deb_lotus_tx
What does it have to do with the topic of the thread? I'm not concerned how
Katie sees me, why are you?
How how minded and spiritual! I guess the validity of your statement
will be indicated by how many smirks you post to Katie's bile.

I mean if you are NOT concerned about how Katie sees you, how Katie
sees others hardly merits your concern.

Right Debs?
Katie
2007-10-13 13:32:34 UTC
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Post by deb_lotus_tx
Post by Mike
Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.
Mike
What does this have to do with the topic?
He's a braindead sychophant in denial. It's a predictable syndrome, once you catch on.
mr bill
2007-10-13 17:34:38 UTC
Permalink
too funny
:)
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http://www.myspace.com/mrbill069
http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069

Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
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I get it! I get it!
First, I would like to thank my friends here at TRCM
and other friends all over the globe for this great honor.
I could never have done it without all of you.
When I initially heard of EOTS I had no idea what it
was about. But there was such a clamor on this ng
a couple of years ago that I felt I had to find out what
EOTS: Electro-Optical Targeting System.
Fascinating stuff. I read everything about it that I
could get my hands on. But, frankly, it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles.
So I expanded my search and discovered a website
associated with a man named Wayne Austin. And the
heading at the top of the page said End Of The Search.
Wow! How did he know? I was blown away.
So I read what was there, but frankly it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles. I read about
his guru Ganja (I never knew Merle but she wanted me to
buy some books and videos and ornamental headbands
and such). But I had to say no.
However, I did learn something. And I can even relate
it to ACIM in ACIM terms.
If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened. But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily.
As for EOTS: I look forward to the F-35 sub-system
becoming fully functional.
Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.
Mike
Pieter
2007-10-13 20:12:24 UTC
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It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
And you got "not much substance and gobbledegook" from his
website?- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
Mike
I'm not a seeker. Are you?- Hide quoted text -
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Sure.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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Hope you find *it*.- Hide quoted text -
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I get it! I get it!
First, I would like to thank my friends here at TRCM
and other friends all over the globe for this great honor.
I could never have done it without all of you.
When I initially heard of EOTS I had no idea what it
was about. But there was such a clamor on this ng
a couple of years ago that I felt I had to find out what
EOTS: Electro-Optical Targeting System.
Fascinating stuff. I read everything about it that I
could get my hands on. But, frankly, it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles.
So I expanded my search and discovered a website
associated with a man named Wayne Austin. And the
heading at the top of the page said End Of The Search.
Wow! How did he know? I was blown away.
So I read what was there, but frankly it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles. I read about
his guru Ganja (I never knew Merle but she wanted me to
buy some books and videos and ornamental headbands
and such). But I had to say no.
However, I did learn something. And I can even relate
it to ACIM in ACIM terms.
If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened. But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily.
As for EOTS: I look forward to the F-35 sub-system
becoming fully functional.
Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.
Mike
Mike
2007-10-13 20:23:35 UTC
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Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?

Mike
Pieter
2007-10-14 11:14:31 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
It is your persiflage on enlightening:

"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."

Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
You continued with:

"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."

When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Post by Mike
Mike
Carrie
2007-10-14 12:53:18 UTC
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Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Doesn't the course say everyone (and the ego world of illusion) is
insane?

I'm currently reading a book by Wayne Dyer "Change Your
Thoughts-Change Your life" kind of a commercially slanted title, but it's
all about The Tao. Wayne spent a year reading the many translations, and
taking one of the lessons at a time, living it and writing down his
experiences, what he believes it says and means. In an easier to under stand
by current-day, western thinking minds.

It's fasinating, and (to me) NOT out of line with what A Course in
Miracles says. I've been tempted to keep reading it, but have been taking it
one chapter (lesson from the Tao) a day. Not that one has to do this, but it
seems so wonderful, it should have time to "sink in" and be read and reread
over again and put into one's life as best one can.

I know the course has lessons like that, and The Tao is much older
than ACIM. But, "time" (as we know it, supposedly is going backwards, so we
might look for the next steps (in our personal learning and evolution) in
this way. Going "backwards" instead of ahead. At some point, we will "forget
the books" and arrive back(wards) to where we started, as One with God.
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Mike
Carrie
2007-10-14 13:33:44 UTC
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Oh the point of this, in relation to "end of the search" (no longer trying)
is The Tao is a lot about "nothingness"

Just "being"

It also has a what seem like contraditions (in the world) like being in the
world but not of it.

I've only read the first few chapters (lessons) so far. It sounds like
what's being discussed in this thread, or ties in with it.
Post by Carrie
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Doesn't the course say everyone (and the ego world of illusion) is
insane?
I'm currently reading a book by Wayne Dyer "Change Your
Thoughts-Change Your life" kind of a commercially slanted title, but it's
all about The Tao. Wayne spent a year reading the many translations, and
taking one of the lessons at a time, living it and writing down his
experiences, what he believes it says and means. In an easier to under
stand by current-day, western thinking minds.
It's fasinating, and (to me) NOT out of line with what A Course in
Miracles says. I've been tempted to keep reading it, but have been taking
it one chapter (lesson from the Tao) a day. Not that one has to do this,
but it seems so wonderful, it should have time to "sink in" and be read
and reread over again and put into one's life as best one can.
I know the course has lessons like that, and The Tao is much older
than ACIM. But, "time" (as we know it, supposedly is going backwards, so
we might look for the next steps (in our personal learning and evolution)
in this way. Going "backwards" instead of ahead. At some point, we will
"forget the books" and arrive back(wards) to where we started, as One with
God.
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Mike
Pieter
2007-10-14 18:22:37 UTC
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Post by Carrie
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Doesn't the course say everyone (and the ego world of illusion) is
insane?
- I just used an example.
The Course says "the ego is insane."
We are not; though identifying with the ego is.
This can only be done partly, however.
Complete identification with it is impossible,
since we cannot make what we are:
Sons of God, into what we are not: egos,
but in fantasy.
Post by Carrie
I'm currently reading a book by Wayne Dyer "Change Your
Thoughts-Change Your life" kind of a commercially slanted title, but it's
all about The Tao. Wayne spent a year reading the many translations, and
taking one of the lessons at a time, living it and writing down his
experiences, what he believes it says and means. In an easier to under
stand by current-day, western thinking minds.
It's fasinating, and (to me) NOT out of line with what A Course in
Miracles says. I've been tempted to keep reading it, but have been taking
it one chapter (lesson from the Tao) a day. Not that one has to do this,
but it seems so wonderful, it should have time to "sink in" and be read
and reread over again and put into one's life as best one can.
I know the course has lessons like that, and The Tao is much older
than ACIM. But, "time" (as we know it, supposedly is going backwards, so
we might look for the next steps (in our personal learning and evolution)
in this way. Going "backwards" instead of ahead. At some point, we will
"forget the books" and arrive back(wards) to where we started, as One with
God.
Lee
2007-10-14 18:31:46 UTC
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Post by Pieter
Post by Carrie
Post by Pieter
....
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Doesn't the course say everyone (and the ego world of
illusion) is insane?
- I just used an example.
The Course says "the ego is insane."
We are not; though identifying with the ego is.
This can only be done partly, however.
Complete identification with it is impossible,
Sons of God, into what we are not: egos,
but in fantasy.
Great response Pieter.

~ Lee
Pieter
2007-10-14 18:45:16 UTC
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Post by Lee
Post by Pieter
Post by Carrie
Post by Pieter
....
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Doesn't the course say everyone (and the ego world of
illusion) is insane?
- I just used an example.
The Course says "the ego is insane."
We are not; though identifying with the ego is.
This can only be done partly, however.
Complete identification with it is impossible,
Sons of God, into what we are not: egos,
but in fantasy.
Great response Pieter.
Thanks.
Post by Lee
~ Lee
Carrie
2007-10-14 19:25:51 UTC
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Post by Pieter
Post by Lee
Post by Pieter
Post by Carrie
Post by Pieter
....
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Doesn't the course say everyone (and the ego world of
illusion) is insane?
- I just used an example.
The Course says "the ego is insane."
We are not; though identifying with the ego is.
This can only be done partly, however.
Complete identification with it is impossible,
Sons of God, into what we are not: egos,
but in fantasy.
Great response Pieter.
Thanks.
Post by Lee
~ Lee
Post by Pieter
Post by Carrie
....
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Wouldn't this be an example of identifying with the ego?

Both the man seeing himself as Napoleon (unless he meant it as I am One with
ALL) and thinking he is enlightened (and who knows, maybe he is?) and the
onle seeing him as a poor man who is insane?
Mike
2007-10-14 13:05:19 UTC
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Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Persiflage! I had to look that one up.
But, yes, it is light hearted banter.
It is also satire. I was mocking, in a
persilflagenous manner, the idea that
anyone could achieve enlightment by
defining enligthenment in a self serving way.
Satire.

Mike
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ellen
2007-10-14 18:08:29 UTC
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Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Persiflage! I had to look that one up.
But, yes, it is light hearted banter.
It is also satire. I was mocking, in a
persilflagenous manner, the idea that
anyone could achieve enlightment by
defining enligthenment in a self serving way.
Satire.
Mike
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Yet what you did was to include EOTS in your mocking. Personally, it
doesn't matter to me in the least, but you might want to consider that
while crying out that Katie mocks the spiritual beliefs of others you
and John are doing the same thing.
maz
2007-10-14 18:11:56 UTC
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....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.

maz
Pieter
2007-10-14 18:44:17 UTC
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Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
- To give it any attention at all does keep it alive.
Jesus teaches mistakes need to be
forgiven *in advance*, not repeated.
Post by maz
maz
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 20:13:03 UTC
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Post by Pieter
Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
- To give it any attention at all does keep it alive.
Jesus teaches mistakes need to be
forgiven *in advance*, not repeated.
This is discussion. If you don't wish to discuss ethics then start
another topic.
Post by Pieter
Post by maz
maz
ellen
2007-10-14 18:44:29 UTC
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Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
It does not agree with your beliefs so therefore you give yourself
permission to mock it. The HS is a fart was something said in context
almost 5 years ago. It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said. And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
claiming authority over the HS. Or, as I believe ... this is an
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.
Carrie
2007-10-14 19:23:20 UTC
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Post by ellen
Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
It does not agree with your beliefs so therefore you give yourself
permission to mock it. The HS is a fart was something said in context
almost 5 years ago. It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said. And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
claiming authority over the HS. Or, as I believe ... this is an
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.
This is how I see it (remember it), too.

I think someone, at one time, for whatever reason, started saying
people in eots worshiped Wayne and Wayne taught that HE was the only
authority, the only teacher and not Jesus or Holy Spirit. I don't remember
him actually saying that, but it was said ABOUT him enough times so by now,
it's probably been created as "truth". Like in the book/movie "1984" the
main character (Winston) worked at the Ministry of Truth (I think it was
called?) going back through the files of newspapers, and history and taking
people out, removing all mention of them, if they had been "done away with".
So, there was no proof they ever had existed in any archives. And changing
anything that "Big Brother" (which was probably the Government and not an
actual person) wanted to create as different in the current time.

Even if there ever was an actual post that started the "Wayne thinks
he's the authority and not HS" (or whatever) it would be impossible to find
it now in the thousands of other posts, with these words and terms in them,
and all the different changing of names in those writing about it.

I guess all one can really do is observe it and give it as little
attention as possible. On some level "the truth" is known. Karmic, maybe?
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 20:28:15 UTC
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Post by Carrie
Even if there ever was an actual post that started the "Wayne thinks
he's the authority and not HS" (or whatever) it would be impossible to find
it now in the thousands of other posts, with these words and terms in them,
and all the different changing of names in those writing about it.
Really? Not impossible at all. That claim was made in Wayne Austin's
signature essay about his teaching, published on his website and
reposted here with commentary.

The essay and claim can be easily found. In fact, I'll be more than
happy to find it and repost it, since all the cult apologists for
Wayne Austin wish to obscure this part of his teachings.
ellen
2007-10-15 02:10:31 UTC
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Post by Reality Scan
Post by Carrie
Even if there ever was an actual post that started the "Wayne thinks
he's the authority and not HS" (or whatever) it would be impossible to find
it now in the thousands of other posts, with these words and terms in them,
and all the different changing of names in those writing about it.
Really? Not impossible at all. That claim was made in Wayne Austin's
signature essay about his teaching, published on his website and
reposted here with commentary.
The essay and claim can be easily found. In fact, I'll be more than
happy to find it and repost it, since all the cult apologists for
Wayne Austin wish to obscure this part of his teachings.
Cult apologists? .... is this the same spiritual tolerence you are
requesting from others?
Carrie
2007-10-15 02:24:15 UTC
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Post by Reality Scan
Post by Carrie
Even if there ever was an actual post that started the "Wayne thinks
he's the authority and not HS" (or whatever) it would be impossible to find
it now in the thousands of other posts, with these words and terms in them,
and all the different changing of names in those writing about it.
Really? Not impossible at all. That claim was made in Wayne Austin's
signature essay about his teaching, published on his website and
reposted here with commentary.
The essay and claim can be easily found. In fact, I'll be more than
happy to find it and repost it, since all the cult apologists for
Wayne Austin wish to obscure this part of his teachings.
Cult apologists? .... is this the same spiritual tolerence you are
requesting from others?
I've had a satire/parody written about me a few years ago, and passed
around on the internet. The author (Jeanette) requested it be passed around
as much as possible and the only stipulation was she be given credit for it.
Which is why I mention her name in this.

She thought it was something else, and she was SO clever and funny for
writing it (at my expense) but anyone who knew her history and how she felt
about others (besides me, it was suposedly about) could see it was a lot
more, with hidden meanings in it that had nothing to do with me. So, in a
way she just used me to continue who usual same old same old.

In a way it's flattering to have something like that written about
you. I should track it down and save it for my bio.
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 20:23:36 UTC
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Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
It does not agree with your beliefs so therefore you give yourself
permission to mock it.
Yeah right! What you are saying is only the guru of your former cult
has permission to mock the beliefs.

If this ISN"T what you are saying then you'd be simply applying this
standard to Wayne Austin's behavior on TRCM, and concluding that Wayne
was giving himself permission to "mock beliefs," and Wayne Austin was
wrong.

Which is exactly what Wayne''s teacher Gangaji concluded.

But you wont say or admit the obvious, because you are still a former
culty who thinks her former guru is above common and accepted ethical
standards.

Get this, Ellen, the former Wayne Austin culty --I'm under no ethical
or moral obligation to respect the beliefs of spiritual posers, mind
fuck artists and Internet predators who maliciously and unethically
bait people because of their religious beliefs.

Such people lost their assumption and expectation of mutual respect,
when they choose to act unethically.












The HS is a fart was something said in context
Post by ellen
almost 5 years ago. It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said. And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
claiming authority over the HS. Or, as I believe ... this is an
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.
ellen
2007-10-15 02:12:34 UTC
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Post by Reality Scan
Post by ellen
Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
It does not agree with your beliefs so therefore you give yourself
permission to mock it.
Yeah right! What you are saying is only the guru of your former cult
has permission to mock the beliefs.
If this ISN"T what you are saying then you'd be simply applying this
standard to Wayne Austin's behavior on TRCM, and concluding that Wayne
was giving himself permission to "mock beliefs," and Wayne Austin was
wrong.
Which is exactly what Wayne''s teacher Gangaji concluded.
But you wont say or admit the obvious, because you are still a former
culty who thinks her former guru is above common and accepted ethical
standards.
Get this, Ellen, the former Wayne Austin culty --I'm under no ethical
or moral obligation to respect the beliefs of spiritual posers, mind
fuck artists and Internet predators who maliciously and unethically
bait people because of their religious beliefs.
Such people lost their assumption and expectation of mutual respect,
when they choose to act unethically.
The HS is a fart was something said in context
Post by ellen
almost 5 years ago. It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said. And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
claiming authority over the HS. Or, as I believe ... this is an
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.- Hide quoted text -
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What i am saying is if you would like people to stop mocking spiritual
beliefs why not do it yo0urself. Are you exempt?
Reality Scan
2007-10-15 03:34:13 UTC
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Post by ellen
Post by Reality Scan
Post by ellen
Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
It does not agree with your beliefs so therefore you give yourself
permission to mock it.
Yeah right! What you are saying is only the guru of your former cult
has permission to mock the beliefs.
If this ISN"T what you are saying then you'd be simply applying this
standard to Wayne Austin's behavior on TRCM, and concluding that Wayne
was giving himself permission to "mock beliefs," and Wayne Austin was
wrong.
Which is exactly what Wayne''s teacher Gangaji concluded.
But you wont say or admit the obvious, because you are still a former
culty who thinks her former guru is above common and accepted ethical
standards.
Get this, Ellen, the former Wayne Austin culty --I'm under no ethical
or moral obligation to respect the beliefs of spiritual posers, mind
fuck artists and Internet predators who maliciously and unethically
bait people because of their religious beliefs.
Such people lost their assumption and expectation of mutual respect,
when they choose to act unethically.
The HS is a fart was something said in context
Post by ellen
almost 5 years ago. It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said. And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
claiming authority over the HS. Or, as I believe ... this is an
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What i am saying is if you would like people to stop mocking spiritual
beliefs why not do it yo0urself. Are you exempt?
~Oh, is that what you are "saying," Ellen? Because you have never
never had the moral or ethical courage to denounce Wayne Austin and
Eots religious baiting and out right contempt for the religious
beliefs of other.

Moreover, joined this cult when you KNEW of its highly unethical
religious baiting and obscene attacks on this newsgroup, and posters.

So screw you, Ellen. Anyone outside of EOTS know this behavior is
WRONG and UNETHICAL.

When I get a cult going and religiously bait people with obscenities
for my own glory as guru, then you might draw some kind of equivalency
between me and Wayne.
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 20:56:08 UTC
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On Oct 14, 1:44 pm, ellen <***@msn.com> wrote:


The HS is a fart was something said in context
Post by ellen
almost 5 years ago.
Yeah, the context was sexual and drug use connotations.


It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
Post by ellen
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said.
Spiritual context? How so?

ROTFLMAO. You are a ridiculous woman, Ellen who consistently makes
outrageous claims about her former cult.

Let's look at this Wayne Austin post and I challenge Ellen to explain
the "spiritual context."

(A repost of Wayne's infamous Holy Spirit as a "fart," post on TRCM.
Perhaps this
post best shows what Eots is all about, and why it attracts the most
part,
those who like to mix the crude, vulgar and obscene with their
metaphysics.
Posters unfamiliar with Wayne Austin can decided for themselves from
this
post what it says about the man who says he is guru.)

"Okay, Okay, hold on just one stinkin' minute......
I know I said I wouldn't be back until October or so and you can call
me a
liar but what's fair is fair! Let me explain.....

There I was lying on my bed of brimstone and one of my minions
slithered by,
I can't recall which one but it smelled a little like Bill but of
course if
could have been Ellen because I'm not used to her odor yet. In any
event
he/she hissed: "Oh Master, have you seen what they are saying about
you in
the ACIM newsgroup?"
I said that I told them I wasn't going back until October or so and I
wasn't
concerned anyway. My minion mewed: "But Master, they are saying the
most
vile things about you". "What, for instance", I asked.
"They are saying you think you're better than the holy spirit".
"Well", I
roared, "I must have underestimated their intelligence, they're
finally
getting it". "But Master", gurgled my minion, "they think the holy
spirit
is BETTER than you".

That was it! How could these bright, intelligent people think that
the holy
spirit is better than ME? Why I can take that little fart two falls
out of
three when I'm high on drugs and with Katie gumming my privates. So I
figures I'd better high tail it over and take a look. Well, you
wouldn't
believe what I found! What I found is the purpose of this post.

I know I have had differences with some of the vocal minority on this
skating rink. I have given as good as I got. I actually like you
little
turds but enough is enough. Even in acrimonious debate there is a
certain
level of fairness but this newsgroup has sunk to an all time low, AN
ALL
TIME LOW I tell you. And why do I say that you ask? well I'm gonna
tell
ya....

I checked the posts today, all 150 of them. I scanned all 150 posts
and you
know what I found? DO YOU FUCKING KNOW WHAT I FOUND???!!!!.

I found six, yes SIX posts that did NOT mention Wayne Austin or EOTS!!
Have you people no shame? Have you lost all sense of decency? What
kind of
people are you? What have I or my minions ever done to you to deserve
such
disdain???

I mean, come on, I maybe could understand perhaps not being mentioned
in
two, three, perhaps four tops, but SIX????

So here's a warning hot shots...clean up your act or I'm pulling my
minions
out of here. Ya, I know, you think I wouldn't dare do it but just try
me.
If you don't start mentioning me or EOTS in every post we're outta
here!
Ya, and then what the hell are you going to talk about, huh??

So if you want this stockade to remain viable you'll begin to clean up
your
act pronto. I mean if an eighth grade dropout like me can figure this
out
then intelligent and rational people like John Lopez, Bing NLN (no
last
name), Goose (NLN), Clark Kent FN (false name), and (shudder) Gummer
Katie
out to be able to figure out how to do it.

Okay, now I'm outta here until.....well.....maybe the middle of June
but
I'll be back sooner if you people don't get squared away. I mean, how
would you like it if you all got relegated to those active lists like
Cosmic
Fool which totals three posts a day on a good day or to one of the
dozens of
failed lists that almost all of you have started? This newsgroup is
the
only place left for you guys so use it wisely and don't forget to
mention us
in every post. A word to the wise should be sufficient (but it
probably
isn't)

Love and big slobberies,
Wayne (AKA: the Holy Spirits Boss)"


And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
Post by ellen
claiming authority over the HS.
I dunno Eots Ellen --does the signature appear to make this specific
claim of authority over the Holy Spirit?


Or, as I believe ... this is an
Post by ellen
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.
ellen
2007-10-15 02:18:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by ellen
The HS is a fart was something said in context
Post by ellen
almost 5 years ago.
Yeah, the context was sexual and drug use connotations.
It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
Post by ellen
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said.
Spiritual context? How so?
ROTFLMAO. You are a ridiculous woman, Ellen who consistently makes
outrageous claims about her former cult.
Let's look at this Wayne Austin post and I challenge Ellen to explain
the "spiritual context."
(A repost of Wayne's infamous Holy Spirit as a "fart," post on TRCM.
Perhaps this
post best shows what Eots is all about, and why it attracts the most
part,
those who like to mix the crude, vulgar and obscene with their
metaphysics.
Posters unfamiliar with Wayne Austin can decided for themselves from
this
post what it says about the man who says he is guru.)
"Okay, Okay, hold on just one stinkin' minute......
I know I said I wouldn't be back until October or so and you can call
me a
liar but what's fair is fair! Let me explain.....
There I was lying on my bed of brimstone and one of my minions
slithered by,
I can't recall which one but it smelled a little like Bill but of
course if
could have been Ellen because I'm not used to her odor yet. In any
event
he/she hissed: "Oh Master, have you seen what they are saying about
you in
the ACIM newsgroup?"
I said that I told them I wasn't going back until October or so and I
wasn't
concerned anyway. My minion mewed: "But Master, they are saying the
most
vile things about you". "What, for instance", I asked.
"They are saying you think you're better than the holy spirit".
"Well", I
roared, "I must have underestimated their intelligence, they're
finally
getting it". "But Master", gurgled my minion, "they think the holy
spirit
is BETTER than you".
That was it! How could these bright, intelligent people think that
the holy
spirit is better than ME? Why I can take that little fart two falls
out of
three when I'm high on drugs and with Katie gumming my privates. So I
figures I'd better high tail it over and take a look. Well, you
wouldn't
believe what I found! What I found is the purpose of this post.
I know I have had differences with some of the vocal minority on this
skating rink. I have given as good as I got. I actually like you
little
turds but enough is enough. Even in acrimonious debate there is a
certain
level of fairness but this newsgroup has sunk to an all time low, AN
ALL
TIME LOW I tell you. And why do I say that you ask? well I'm gonna
tell
ya....
I checked the posts today, all 150 of them. I scanned all 150 posts
and you
know what I found? DO YOU FUCKING KNOW WHAT I FOUND???!!!!.
I found six, yes SIX posts that did NOT mention Wayne Austin or EOTS!!
Have you people no shame? Have you lost all sense of decency? What
kind of
people are you? What have I or my minions ever done to you to deserve
such
disdain???
I mean, come on, I maybe could understand perhaps not being mentioned
in
two, three, perhaps four tops, but SIX????
So here's a warning hot shots...clean up your act or I'm pulling my
minions
out of here. Ya, I know, you think I wouldn't dare do it but just try
me.
If you don't start mentioning me or EOTS in every post we're outta
here!
Ya, and then what the hell are you going to talk about, huh??
So if you want this stockade to remain viable you'll begin to clean up
your
act pronto. I mean if an eighth grade dropout like me can figure this
out
then intelligent and rational people like John Lopez, Bing NLN (no
last
name), Goose (NLN), Clark Kent FN (false name), and (shudder) Gummer
Katie
out to be able to figure out how to do it.
Okay, now I'm outta here until.....well.....maybe the middle of June
but
I'll be back sooner if you people don't get squared away. I mean, how
would you like it if you all got relegated to those active lists like
Cosmic
Fool which totals three posts a day on a good day or to one of the
dozens of
failed lists that almost all of you have started? This newsgroup is
the
only place left for you guys so use it wisely and don't forget to
mention us
in every post. A word to the wise should be sufficient (but it
probably
isn't)
Love and big slobberies,
Wayne (AKA: the Holy Spirits Boss)"
And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
Post by ellen
claiming authority over the HS.
I dunno Eots Ellen --does the signature appear to make this specific
claim of authority over the Holy Spirit?
Or, as I believe ... this is an
Post by ellen
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.- Hide quoted text -
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It was written as satire. And after all this time you are still
talking about Wayne and Eots. But carry on John.
btw I'm not defending Wayne or Eots what I am stating is that you
might want to consider offering the kind of tolerence for others
beliefs that you would like to receive.
maz
2007-10-14 21:15:46 UTC
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Post by ellen
Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
It does not agree with your beliefs so therefore you give yourself
permission to mock it. The HS is a fart was something said in context
almost 5 years ago. It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said. And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
claiming authority over the HS. Or, as I believe ... this is an
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.
uuuih, you wrote more than a short one-liner.
Must mean something..... maybe you started
thinking?

namazté
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 21:27:16 UTC
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Post by maz
Post by ellen
Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
It does not agree with your beliefs so therefore you give yourself
permission to mock it. The HS is a fart was something said in context
almost 5 years ago. It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said. And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
claiming authority over the HS. Or, as I believe ... this is an
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.
uuuih, you wrote more than a short one-liner.
Must mean something..... maybe you started
thinking?
namazt�
Read the Wayne Austin essay on HS as a creation of Ego, and the Holy
Spirit as a "little fart," and drug use post.

Yeah, Ellen is thinking. She trying to think how to deny any of this
was posted and claimed. And how to argue it was not religious baiting
and highly unethical.
ellen
2007-10-15 02:19:01 UTC
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Post by maz
Post by ellen
Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
It does not agree with your beliefs so therefore you give yourself
permission to mock it. The HS is a fart was something said in context
almost 5 years ago. It had a spiritual context at the time yet it has
been used to mock all these years without any understanding as to why
it was said. And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
claiming authority over the HS. Or, as I believe ... this is an
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.
uuuih, you wrote more than a short one-liner.
Must mean something..... maybe you started
thinking?
namazt�- Hide quoted text -
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And by this you mean?
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 21:19:46 UTC
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On Oct 14, 1:44 pm, ellen <***@msn.com> wrote:

And I'd like you to please show me where anyone was
Post by ellen
claiming authority over the HS. Or, as I believe ... this is an
example of something that has been repeated over and over again so as
to be believed as being true.
Here's Wayne's Holy Spirit as creation of the Ego (EM) mind essay --
with my commentary.

"So lets see where Wayne Austin is coming from. This so-called
Eastern guru
tradition. What we see is the claim that the internal teacher or in
Course
terms, The Holy Spirit, is the creation of ego mind. Instead a human
teacher is needed.
Wayne writes:

"Truth must be first: One can never find Truth in a book nor a
practice.
All a book or a practice can do is affirm the experience of Truth that
one
has glimpsed. One must have a direct and personal experience of Truth
and
once experienced ones search for Truth is over.
This experience of Truth is what I am calling the "essential
experience".

My comments:

`The Course talks about the direct experience of God, as Revelation.
However, Revelation does not mean the end of the search, if you read
the
Course closely, Revelation shows us the end result of following the
Course
and healing the mind of fear.

So according to the Course, the search is not over until the mind is
healed.
It is not enough to experience Revelation. If Revelation, or what
Wayne
calls the "essential experience," is enough, why do Wayne and his
disciples
exhibit so many ego traits? Because regardless of Wayne's experience
his
mind is still fill with and believes in fear.

Wayne writes:

"The essential experience cannot be gained by any effort what-so-ever
on the
seekers part. The essential experience is had by the grace of Truth.
Truth
will not submit to the dictates of EM (Ego/Mind). It is only EM that
thinks
and what it thinks above all else is that it is real. EM is the "I/
me"
thought. EM attempts to bring Truth to it by practicing and by
following a
certain code of ethics. EM thinks that if it can please Truth then
Truth
will smile upon it but Truth does not see EM anymore than the sun sees
the
sunbeams."

My comments:

According to The Course the essential experience (Revelation) is given
by
the Holy Spirit, who is always aware of Revelation readiness.
Revelation is
the experience of unspeakable love of Father and Son. So that which
is
experiencing Revelation is the true self or the Son of God. As I read
The
Course, the ego doesn't experience revelation. In fact, the Course
says if
you attempt to experience Revelation with out proper preparation of
the
mind, the experience of awe of your Creator would be more fearful than
beatific The Course would agree ego is the I/me thought. The Course
would
also say the ego "thinks," and certainly thinks that it is real. The
Course
indicates both Holy Spirit and Spirit or God or the Kingdom of Heaven
has
its own thought system. This implies, of course Spirit thinks, though
with
a different thought system than the ego.

I would question too, the idea, that spirit means a loss of
individuality.
To me individuality is the gift of life and individuality --self, is
the
gift given to us by The Father in our creation. In other words,
individuality is not synonymous with ego.

The Course teaches the Son of God to relinquish all belief, allegiance
and
love for its miscreation, the ego. This process is called the
Atonement and
is essentially the healing of the mind of its belief in fear. While
Spirit
does not recognize the ego --we are not the ego, but the Son of God.
And
Spirit does recognize the Son of God. So while the ego cannot bring
truth
to itself, or "save," itself. The Son of God can actively give up its
miscreation, by a little willingness to give its errors to the Holy
Spirit
for healing and correction.

Wayne writes:

"There are people who have had the essential experience and they are
the
Teachers of Truth. These Teachers have one message and one message
only
(although it is voiced in many ways) and that message is 'you are not
who
you think you are'. This message is heard by EM as a challenge and it
challenges the Teacher because if it cannot challenge and defeat the
Teacher
is will lose itself. In essence the way EM sees the relationship with
the
Teacher is as a fight to the death."

My comments:

As we have seen, just having the experience of Revelation is not
enough.
Having the essential experience is certainly not enough, for someone
to
claim the mind has somehow transcended the ego. This is nothing but
the
denial of healing as a necessary step in healing the mind and
relinquishing
the ego thought system. In other words, the essential claim is just
having
an essential experience, creates an ego-less teacher who can teach
others to
transcend the ego.

Any Course student actively involved with the Holy Spirit, the
Atonement
process and the healing of his thoughts, knows that this claim of
completely
healing the mind and transcending ego by having a simple experience is
suspect. The "Teacher," may indeed teach "you are not who you think
you
are," but this of course, begs the question of who you are according
to some
"Teacher."

If the a so-called teacher is not teaching we are Sons of God, created
by
our Heavenly Father and united by The Holy Spirit, then we must ask if
the
teacher in the end is teaching anything but another version of the
authority
problem -- or "you are God."

In other words, if the "teacher of truth," is teaching what you are is
God,
then the teacher is essentially teaching you that you are self-
creating and
can determine what you are by your own volition. In short, all this
high
level metaphysics of enlightenment, is a ego dead end. Because
despite its
ego-less claims, the authority problem can only lead to the crowning
of the
ego as God. Together with the denial of the internal teacher or Holy
Spirit, and the usurping of the Holy Spirit's function by another ego,
this
metaphysics is a recipe for failure and disaster and it certainly not
the
path mapped by A Course in Miracles.

Wayne writes:

"The Teacher has compassion for EM, deep compassion beyond the
ordinary
meaning of the word. The Teacher has "been there" and knows very
intimately
the suffering that EM experiences and invites EM to die, to lay down
its
arms and accept the Truth of it Self.

All Teachers invite the student/EM to die onto itself. This is an
invitation that few accept. Many want to "know more" but few are
willing to
put their heads in the tigers mouth, they would rather talk about it."

My comments:

The question here, any Course student should ask, is how another ego
can
usurp the functions of the Holy Spirit? At best, a teacher of God,
points
the student to the Holy Spirit, the internal teacher. He does not
point to
himself. So while the Teacher attempts to fulfill the function of the
Holy
Spirit, it likely the teacher is far from perfect, far from healed.
So you
have in Course terms the unhealed healer attempting to heal. And
moreover,
teaching that healing of the mind is not necessary. Only laying down
self
and having an "essential experience."

Wayne writes:

"The relationship with the Teacher must be a "living" one, the Teacher
must
be a human being the same as the student. Many speak of their
internal
teacher but all internal teachers are creations of EM. I say this
unequivocally and for those who are willing to listen and who have
claimed
to have an internal teacher, the proof is in the recoil to the above
statement. EM recoils in the face of the exposure of the lie that is
has
attempted to keep hidden. EM is the creator of all internal teachers
and
guides. The living Teacher exposes EM and that is why there is not a
great
demand for a living Teacher at this time."

My comments:

Now we come to the crux of the matter. The claim that there is no
internal
teacher, no Holy Spirit and Holy Spirit as a creation of the ego
mind. An
interesting claim, especially because its proof is apparently
someone's
unwillingness to believe the statement.

As Course students we learn to distinguish the voice of ego from the
voice
for God. The ego for example believes in a thought system predicated
on the
belief in sin, guilt, punishment, attack and ultimately death. While
the
Holy Spirit is recognized as the still, quiet voice within, the spirit
of
peace, the mind of peace. The Holy Spirit, we learn is very different
from
ego, it does attempt to control or overcome, but only reminds us who
we are
as Sons of God. It teaches us another thought system completely
different
from the ego's. So while the ego might well have a 'concept," of The
Holy
Spirit and this concept might at times be used in service of ego, this
is
very different from the actual experience of both ego and Holy Spirit.

Moreover, as Course students we can all access and experience the
miracle or
the shift in perception from fear to love. The miracle alone
demonstrates
the Holy Spirit exists and is not a creation of the ego mind. So the
claim
that the internal teacher, The Holy Spirit is a creature of ego is
simply
wrong. And again, can only lead to the crowning of the ego as God.

Wayne writes:

"Teachers are not looking for students although EM sees them this way
as a
way to discount the Teacher. EM will use all of the resources of the
mind,
which are formidable and great, in its attempts to discredit the
Teacher.
And EM can do this for a very simple reason, EM is the mind. EM is
the veil
that hides Truth from it self. Truth is never hidden from Truth.
Hear this
and Know it in the Heart."

My comments:

Wayne No doubt I have used my mind to bring these
so-called teachers into question. But is there any doubt, Teacher
Wayne is
using mind to make his claims? The Mind of Holy Spirit gives us
spiritual
discernment, and miracles demonstrate the reality of Holy Spirit and
Spirit's ability to heal the mind. Why should we think twice about a
teacher who teaches enlightenment through magic and not miracles?
Carrie
2007-10-14 18:44:56 UTC
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Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
But mocking people, making fun of them, lying about them making false
accusations about them, and spamming the group (and/or internet) with
"disclaimers" about them, isn't a very nice (spiritual) way for anyone to
be.

No matter how you justify it.

If the Holy Spirit doesn't like being called a fart (this was said when,
once? As a joke maybe? It's been used over and over 100's maybe thousands of
times since) couldn't others TRUST HIM to take care of it?

By doing this, you claim authority over the Holy Spirit, and set
yourself up to enforce what you see as some kind of "rules"
that others should follow and be made to if they don't.
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 20:34:55 UTC
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Post by Carrie
Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
But mocking people, making fun of them, lying about them making false
accusations about them, and spamming the group (and/or internet) with
"disclaimers" about them, isn't a very nice (spiritual) way for anyone to
be.
ROTFLMAO. Oh, geez. Welll Starcheat, that's exactly what posters have
been telling you about your behavior for years.
Post by Carrie
No matter how you justify it.
Oh, really? What you mean --is how YOU justify it.

Projection is such a useful concept!
Post by Carrie
If the Holy Spirit doesn't like being called a fart (this was said when,
once?
What kind of twisted, reasoning is this? People don't like their
sacred beliefs mocked as farts.

Gee, Starcheat you react to almost any perceived provocation, then
wish to argue other people should not act at all to provocations.

Anyone every told you that you were a complete asshole?
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 22:44:06 UTC
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Post by Carrie
By doing this, you claim authority over the Holy Spirit,
No, Maz doesn't. This is complete bullshit. And you know it.

Someone rejecting unethical religious baiting and the mocking of their
sacred beliefs, hardly is claiming authority of over the Holy Spirit.

The direct opposite is true and demonstrable that Austin is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.

So why are you shilling for highly unethical behavior, twisting facts,
and lying about who is actually and demonstrably claiming authority
over the Holy Spirit?

This is a good example of how you shill for evil, Starcheat.


and set
Post by Carrie
yourself up to enforce what you see as some kind of "rules"
that others should follow and be made to if they don't.
Another highly bogus claim, and a reversal of facts. Clearly unethical
religious baiting is an attempt to enforce beliefs and rules through
intimidation.
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 20:11:59 UTC
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Post by maz
....mocks the spiritual beliefs of others...<
Duh. Believing the Holy Spirit is a fart is hardly
a spiritual belief. Neither is claiming
authority over the Holy Spirit.
maz
Exactly. Extreme, predatory religious baiting of the beliefs of course
students.

Wayne Austin if free to believe and teach what he wants, on the other
hand he not free to unethically bait the religious beliefs of others
without being held accountable for his lack of ethics

Read the achieves.This is clearly the position of Gangaji.

As such its not surprising that Ellen --a student, of a student, of
Gangaji misunderstands the ethical standards of authentic
spirituality.
Carrie
2007-10-14 18:41:47 UTC
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Post by ellen
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Persiflage! I had to look that one up.
But, yes, it is light hearted banter.
It is also satire. I was mocking, in a
persilflagenous manner, the idea that
anyone could achieve enlightment by
defining enligthenment in a self serving way.
Satire.
Mike
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Yet what you did was to include EOTS in your mocking. Personally, it
doesn't matter to me in the least, but you might want to consider that
while crying out that Katie mocks the spiritual beliefs of others you
and John are doing the same thing.
yeah, but THEY are doing it to those who deserve it. It's justified (LOL)
Reality Scan
2007-10-14 20:41:08 UTC
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Post by Carrie
Post by ellen
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Persiflage! I had to look that one up.
But, yes, it is light hearted banter.
It is also satire. I was mocking, in a
persilflagenous manner, the idea that
anyone could achieve enlightment by
defining enligthenment in a self serving way.
Satire.
Mike
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Yet what you did was to include EOTS in your mocking. Personally, it
doesn't matter to me in the least, but you might want to consider that
while crying out that Katie mocks the spiritual beliefs of others you
and John are doing the same thing.
yeah, but THEY are doing it to those who deserve it. It's justified (LOL)
Yeah, well Starcheat, its not surprising neither you or Ellen or Wayne
have a concept of ethics applied to spirituality and the teacher of
Wayne --Gangaji does.

Its seems if Wayne ultimately bowed and agreed with Gangaji's
spiritual authority in this matter, that Ellen should see the wisdom
of Gangaji.

As far as you, Starcheat you have no spiritual ethics, don't respect
Gangji and most likely think you are equal in your "wisdom," to
Gangaji, and everyone else short of God.
ellen
2007-10-15 02:25:31 UTC
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Post by Carrie
Post by ellen
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Persiflage! I had to look that one up.
But, yes, it is light hearted banter.
It is also satire. I was mocking, in a
persilflagenous manner, the idea that
anyone could achieve enlightment by
defining enligthenment in a self serving way.
Satire.
Mike
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Yet what you did was to include EOTS in your mocking. Personally, it
doesn't matter to me in the least, but you might want to consider that
while crying out that Katie mocks the spiritual beliefs of others you
and John are doing the same thing.
yeah, but THEY are doing it to those who deserve it. It's justified (LOL)
Yeah, well Starcheat, its not surprising neither you or Ellen or Wayne
have a concept of ethics applied to spirituality and the teacher of
Wayne --Gangaji does.
Its seems if Wayne ultimately bowed and agreed with Gangaji's
spiritual authority in this matter, that Ellen should see the wisdom
of Gangaji.
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I hate to burst your bubble but I've been present with both Gangaji
and Wayne in the past year and it was very clear that Gangaji still
has a high regard for Wayne. I'm afraid you won't be able to use
Gangaji.
Reality Scan
2007-10-15 03:21:14 UTC
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Post by ellen
I hate to burst your bubble but I've been present with both Gangaji
and Wayne in the past year and it was very clear that Gangaji still
has a high regard for Wayne. I'm afraid you won't be able to use
Gangaji.
Really? When Tom wrote a letter to Gangaji in March 2004, the response
was Gangaji did NOT know Wayne Austin though Austin claimed on his
website lineage through Gangaji.

Let's say, Ellen its highly unlikely anything has changed since 2004,
and highly unlikely that Gangaji is even knows Austin, much less has a
"high regard," for Austin. Moreover and clearly, Gangaji's rejection
of rude and demeaning responses is highly unlikely to have changed.


"Dearest Tom,

I just read your letter, which has been passed on to Gangaji, and I am
saddened to read of your experience with Wayne Austin and his
followers. Gangaji and I do not know Wayne, although he has shared
with me that he has come to many of her satsangs. I received an
inquiry about him (perhaps from you?) and visited his website.

His website writings seemed to be in alignment with Gangaji's
teaching. As you probably know, Gangaji is deeply respectful of all
aspects of life and your description of rude and demeaning responses
is not an experience I have EVER had of her, in any circumstance.

I will pass this feedback along to Wayne Austin and ask him to
respond. Thank you for taking the time to be in touch with us about
this.

With warm regards,
Manju Bazzell

Executive Director, The Gangaji Foundation"

Tom replied:

"Dear Manju,

Thank you for your kind and prompt response to my inquiry.

I had assumed that the claim of "lineage" by Mr. Austin implied a more
formal relationship to Gangaji then what actually exists. I assumed
that Gangaji's photo would be used as an endorsement on Mr. Austin's
website only with Gangaji's permission.

Since that is apparently not the case, I apologize for troubling you
with my complaint.

The letter faxed on March 22 was my first and only communication to
you, apart from this present email."
ellen
2007-10-15 03:37:07 UTC
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Post by ellen
I hate to burst your bubble but I've been present with both Gangaji
and Wayne in the past year and it was very clear that Gangaji still
has a high regard for Wayne. I'm afraid you won't be able to use
Gangaji.
Really? When Tom wrote a letter to Gangaji in March 2004, the response
was Gangaji did NOT know Wayne Austin though Austin claimed on his
website lineage through Gangaji.
Let's say, Ellen its highly unlikely anything has changed since 2004,
and highly unlikely that Gangaji is even knows Austin, much less has a
"high regard," for Austin. Moreover and clearly, Gangaji's rejection
of rude and demeaning responses is highly unlikely to have changed.
"Dearest Tom,
I just read your letter, which has been passed on to Gangaji, and I am
saddened to read of your experience with Wayne Austin and his
followers. Gangaji and I do not know Wayne, although he has shared
with me that he has come to many of her satsangs. I received an
inquiry about him (perhaps from you?) and visited his website.
His website writings seemed to be in alignment with Gangaji's
teaching. As you probably know, Gangaji is deeply respectful of all
aspects of life and your description of rude and demeaning responses
is not an experience I have EVER had of her, in any circumstance.
I will pass this feedback along to Wayne Austin and ask him to
respond. Thank you for taking the time to be in touch with us about
this.
With warm regards,
Manju Bazzell
Executive Director, The Gangaji Foundation"
"Dear Manju,
Thank you for your kind and prompt response to my inquiry.
I had assumed that the claim of "lineage" by Mr. Austin implied a more
formal relationship to Gangaji then what actually exists. I assumed
that Gangaji's photo would be used as an endorsement on Mr. Austin's
website only with Gangaji's permission.
Since that is apparently not the case, I apologize for troubling you
with my complaint.
The letter faxed on March 22 was my first and only communication to
you, apart from this present email."
I don't really care how unlikely it seems to you. I personally
wintnessed Gangaji seek him out by name at one of her meetings. And
it was clear she had a high regard for him. Seems she was capable of
letting it go, I hope the same for you.

Reality Scan
2007-10-14 20:01:50 UTC
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Post by ellen
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Persiflage! I had to look that one up.
But, yes, it is light hearted banter.
It is also satire. I was mocking, in a
persilflagenous manner, the idea that
anyone could achieve enlightment by
defining enligthenment in a self serving way.
Satire.
Mike
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Yet what you did was to include EOTS in your mocking. Personally, it
doesn't matter to me in the least, but you might want to consider that
while crying out that Katie mocks the spiritual beliefs of others you
and John are doing the same thing.
The complaint is unethical religious baiting. So get the complaints
straight Ellen. Mike, and I and Maz are certainly NOT going to the
EOTS discussion group and baiting EOTS students through mocking their
beliefs.

On the other hand, that was exactly what was done here, by EOTS and
Wayne Austin. And Katie Dean

So get a life, Ellen. Its a bizzare, morally repugnant position to
justify religious baiting and mocking, by attempting to draw an
equivalence to clearly UNETHICAL, predatory behavior and the natural
responses and defenses of targets of that behavior.

So Shove it Ellen. Its clear enough when you joined EOTS that EOTS and
Austin that they engaged in highly UNETHICAL behavior which you
justified and continue to justify.

And the last thing your deceitful little mind wishes to discuss is
whether this Religious Baiting is UNETHICAL.

Moreover and clearly, the tolerance and acceptance of highly unethical
religious baiting into course discussion is one of the main reasons so-
called course discussion is such a mind fuck paradise for culties and
ex-culties like you and Katie Dean.
ellen
2007-10-15 02:28:27 UTC
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Post by ellen
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Persiflage! I had to look that one up.
But, yes, it is light hearted banter.
It is also satire. I was mocking, in a
persilflagenous manner, the idea that
anyone could achieve enlightment by
defining enligthenment in a self serving way.
Satire.
Mike
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Yet what you did was to include EOTS in your mocking. Personally, it
doesn't matter to me in the least, but you might want to consider that
while crying out that Katie mocks the spiritual beliefs of others you
and John are doing the same thing.
The complaint is unethical religious baiting. So get the complaints
straight Ellen. Mike, and I and Maz are certainly NOT going to the
EOTS discussion group and baiting EOTS students through mocking their
beliefs.
On the other hand, that was exactly what was done here, by EOTS and
Wayne Austin. And Katie Dean
So get a life, Ellen. Its a bizzare, morally repugnant position to
justify religious baiting and mocking, by attempting to draw an
equivalence to clearly UNETHICAL, predatory behavior and the natural
responses and defenses of targets of that behavior.
So Shove it Ellen. Its clear enough when you joined EOTS that EOTS and
Austin that they engaged in highly UNETHICAL behavior which you
justified and continue to justify.
And the last thing your deceitful little mind wishes to discuss is
whether this Religious Baiting is UNETHICAL.
Moreover and clearly, the tolerance and acceptance of highly unethical
religious baiting into course discussion is one of the main reasons so-
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"Was done" being the operative word. The rest of your post is just
your typical name calling rant. It doesn't phase me in the least.
Mike
2007-10-15 02:02:27 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
Post by Mike
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
I agree. I have always respected your opinions, Pieter.
But I am unsure as to what part of the dialogue you are
refering.
Would you clarify for me, please?
Your question surprises me; why unsure?
"If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened."
Isn't this a declaration that
*any* "enlightenment" is but deceit?
"But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily."
When a person says "I am Napoleon",
he himself can think he is enlightened,
but in truth the poor man just is insane.
Persiflage! I had to look that one up.
But, yes, it is light hearted banter.
It is also satire. I was mocking, in a
persilflagenous manner, the idea that
anyone could achieve enlightment by
defining enligthenment in a self serving way.
Satire.
Mike
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It was written purely with tongue in cheek.
No offense intended.
I have written many, many satirical
pieces here over the years. They
were all meant as good natured jabs.
Nothing more.

Mike
mr bill
2007-10-14 01:22:42 UTC
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it is. sometimes its called experience.
:)
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http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069

Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
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Well, let's see. Posted at Adyashanti.org are over twenty
articles including audio and video for same. I read enough
to decide that I had read it all before and in better versions.
Yogananda comes to mind for one.
If he reaches some seekers and they find something of
value from him, then all to the good. Not for me.
Don't follow leaders.
Watch the parking meters.
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I get it! I get it!
First, I would like to thank my friends here at TRCM
and other friends all over the globe for this great honor.
I could never have done it without all of you.
When I initially heard of EOTS I had no idea what it
was about. But there was such a clamor on this ng
a couple of years ago that I felt I had to find out what
EOTS: Electro-Optical Targeting System.
Fascinating stuff. I read everything about it that I
could get my hands on. But, frankly, it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles.
So I expanded my search and discovered a website
associated with a man named Wayne Austin. And the
heading at the top of the page said End Of The Search.
Wow! How did he know? I was blown away.
So I read what was there, but frankly it didn't seem
to have much to do with A Course in Miracles. I read about
his guru Ganja (I never knew Merle but she wanted me to
buy some books and videos and ornamental headbands
and such). But I had to say no.
However, I did learn something. And I can even relate
it to ACIM in ACIM terms.
If I want to be enlightened all I have to do is to declare
that I am enlightened. But not directly. No, I have to go
around the side to do it. If the ego seeks but does not
find and I am too advanced a soul to be an ego then I
simply stop seeking (I End The Search) and therefor I
am One With The Universe and I Have Achieved Conscious
Immortality, and have become All Knowing, All Seeing. I am
what I say I am. Wow. We all could be Popeye or Mr. Ed
or even Rene Descartes. Holy shit! Who knew enlightment
could come so easily.
As for EOTS: I look forward to the F-35 sub-system
becoming fully functional.
Your brother in Cosmic Conscious and pass the joint.
Mike
Pieter
2007-10-14 10:47:27 UTC
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It is! Absolutely.
Post by mr bill
it is. sometimes its called experience.
:)
--
http://www.myspace.com/mrbill069
http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069
Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by Pieter
It must be possible to distinguish
between genuine and fake.
Katie
2007-10-13 13:05:01 UTC
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Post by ellen
Hope you find *it*.
He seems to have hit an insurrmountable bump in the road.....Sheryl Valentine, the Spineless
Chiropractor's backside.

Brings up images of an R. Crumb illustration.
Mike
2007-10-13 14:13:38 UTC
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Post by Katie
Post by ellen
Hope you find *it*.
He seems to have hit an insurrmountable bump in the road.....Sheryl Valentine, the Spineless
Chiropractor's backside.
Brings up images of an R. Crumb illustration.
You are obsessed.

YBFFL, Mike
ellen
2007-10-13 17:46:26 UTC
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Post by Katie
Post by ellen
Hope you find *it*.
He seems to have hit an insurrmountable bump in the road.....Sheryl Valentine, the Spineless
Chiropractor's backside.
Brings up images of an R. Crumb illustration.
LOL
Katie
2007-10-13 19:04:10 UTC
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Post by Katie
Post by ellen
Hope you find *it*.
He seems to have hit an insurrmountable bump in the road.....Sheryl Valentine, the Spineless
Chiropractor's backside.
Brings up images of an R. Crumb illustration.
LOL
Ya know what I mean?
Reality Scan
2007-10-13 19:15:31 UTC
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Post by Katie
Post by Katie
Post by ellen
Hope you find *it*.
He seems to have hit an insurrmountable bump in the road.....Sheryl Valentine, the Spineless
Chiropractor's backside.
Brings up images of an R. Crumb illustration.
LOL
Ya know what I mean?
That's funny Katie --your propensity around here to put your male
targets in dresses along with sexual taunts --kinnda paints a picture
of you as one of R Crumbs more bizzare, sub-human caricatures.

You never answered whether your husband knows you are on the Internet
putting men in metaphorical dresses while delivering sexual taunts.

Gee, does Ted approve? Why not ask your husband to give me a call. I'd
like to ask him, since I was one of the guys his wife wants to put in
a dress.
mr bill
2007-10-12 21:45:20 UTC
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as i see it, its like cotton candy. it looks pretty, but when you bite into
it you find it has almost no substance.
--
http://www.myspace.com/mrbill069
http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069

Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
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Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find
truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we
let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in
spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive
from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous
understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of
logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get
access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being.
In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of
control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith.
It's
also a deep act of investigation."
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Sounds like TM. Lots of pronouns. Lots of froth
and not much substance. Goobledegook. Same
old samd old. Heard it many different places.
Nothing new. Reinventing the wheel. More
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Mike
2007-10-12 23:27:48 UTC
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Post by mr bill
as i see it, its like cotton candy. it looks pretty, but when you bite into
it you find it has almost no substance.
--
http://www.myspace.com/mrbill069http://blog.myspace.com/mrbill069
Elizabeth Nicole
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by Mike
Post by ellen
"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It
is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find
truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we
let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in
spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep
wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive
from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous
understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of
logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and
in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get
access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being.
In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because
to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of
control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith.
It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.
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Sounds like TM. Lots of pronouns. Lots of froth
and not much substance. Goobledegook. Same
old samd old. Heard it many different places.
Nothing new. Reinventing the wheel. More
nourishment in Hi and Lois.
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Thank you. Much better than what I said.

Mike
deb_lotus_tx
2007-10-12 20:59:31 UTC
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"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.
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Sounds like TM. Lots of pronouns. Lots of froth
and not much substance. Goobledegook. Same
old samd old. Heard it many different places.
Nothing new. Reinventing the wheel. More
nourishment in Hi and Lois.
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Wow, you got all that from one paragraph.
He's a quick study. LOL
Katie
2007-10-12 17:58:16 UTC
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And this means?
I guess your speeeeeritchuality isn't as up to date as his speeeeeeritchuality is. You probably
need to attend some "lectures' by Dr. Spineless Valentine to correct the problem.
Carrie
2007-10-12 18:25:03 UTC
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"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem. It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing. It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind. It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
Welcome to 1967.
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And this means?
Maybe a reference to you (and me, now) being hippies?

I think they call it blissninny now (LOL)

Love, peace and all that stuff, man....
Pieter
2007-10-12 21:05:37 UTC
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"So I am not suggesting that mind and thought are ultimately the
problem. It's our attachment to mind that is the problem.
Imo the Course would say:
"It's our attachment to *the ego* that is the problem.*
Post by ellen
It is an
illusory pursuit to look to concepts and ideas in order to find truth,
to find peace, to find that which will liberate us. When we let go of
the thinking mind, we become open to insight - to what in spirituality
we might call revelation, or the spontaneous arising of a deep wisdom
or a deep knowing.
This is in line with ACIM if "the thinking mind"
is replaced by "the ego". ACIM says if we do
no think like God, we are not really thinking
at all.
Post by ellen
It arises in the mind but does not derive from the
mind.
Acim speaks of "the conscious level" in this respect.
Post by ellen
It is an "Aha" experience - an instantaneous understanding.
When you think, "Aha! I understand that," it's not a matter of logical
thought. It's something that just registers in the mind, and in the
body, and has the nature of a revelation. And so again, to get access
to this level of insight, we start by letting go of control, even
control of the mind. We enter into a natural state of being. In a
sense, True Meditation is the ultimate act of faith. Because to sit
down and let everything be as it already is - to let go of control, to
let go of manipulation - is itself a very deep act of faith. It's
also a deep act of investigation."
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