I need a new mouse (OT)

[Carrie]

I guess this is off topic.
I have an optical mouse. It's been acting up, like if I move it over
something it opens. I just realized when I click to open a post on here, it
seems to be sending it (without opening and me writing anything in it) I
have it set to double click to open things, but it seems to be opening and
sending them all at the same time- without me seeing them "open" to respond.
I looked up about cleaning them and tried it. I'm gonna wait till the first
week in Jan and get another one with my "ebay bucks" that have been adding
up (they give you a little bit everytime you buy something and every 3
months you can use it. )
So, if there are posts from me here that don't have anything from me in
them, that's why.
I have another mouse, on another computer, I can switch for now, but keep
thinking this one is going to work. But, it's like it has brain damage...
I know... it must be perfect because it's happening. And "the Peace of
God" is still my one goal. Not letting mechanical things bother me.
But, on the other hand... seems like I heard Mercury is Retrograde? LOL

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

I guess this is off topic. I have an optical mouse. It's been
acting up, like if I move it over something it opens. I just
realized when I click to open a post on here, it seems to be
sending it (without opening and me writing anything in it) I
have it set to double click to open things, but it seems to
be opening and sending them all at the same time- without me
seeing them "open" to respond. I looked up about cleaning them
and tried it. I'm gonna wait till the first week in Jan and
get another one with my "ebay bucks" that have been adding up
(they give you a little bit everytime you buy something and
every 3 months you can use it. ) So, if there are posts from me
here that don't have anything from me in them, that's why. I
have another mouse, on another computer, I can switch for now,
but keep thinking this one is going to work. But, it's like it
has brain damage...
I know... it must be perfect because it's
happening.

Horseshit. Where do you get this crap?

And "the Peace of God" is still my one goal. Not
letting mechanical things bother me. But, on the other hand...
seems like I heard Mercury is Retrograde? LOL

I don't see how this could be a software problem (unless it's
some obscure mouse design or your operating system has been
corrupted by malware) so it looks like you already know what
has to be done. Replace it.

Considering the recent and extensive High-Winds Media problems
we have been discussing, I'd be careful about concluding that
news problems are your fault.

Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

I guess this is off topic. I have an optical mouse. It's been
acting up, like if I move it over something it opens. I just
realized when I click to open a post on here, it seems to be
sending it (without opening and me writing anything in it) I
have it set to double click to open things, but it seems to
be opening and sending them all at the same time- without me
seeing them "open" to respond. I looked up about cleaning them
and tried it. I'm gonna wait till the first week in Jan and
get another one with my "ebay bucks" that have been adding up
(they give you a little bit everytime you buy something and
every 3 months you can use it. ) So, if there are posts from me
here that don't have anything from me in them, that's why. I
have another mouse, on another computer, I can switch for now,
but keep thinking this one is going to work. But, it's like it
has brain damage...
I know... it must be perfect because it's
happening.

Horseshit. Where do you get this crap?

And "the Peace of God" is still my one goal. Not
letting mechanical things bother me. But, on the other hand...
seems like I heard Mercury is Retrograde? LOL

I don't see how this could be a software problem (unless it's
some obscure mouse design or your operating system has been
corrupted by malware) so it looks like you already know what
has to be done. Replace it.
Considering the recent and extensive High-Winds Media problems
we have been discussing, I'd be careful about concluding that
news problems are your fault.

It's not just the newsgroup it does it in. If I go to move something
(grab with the mouse) like a picture, it will opn it full screen instead. I
am going to replace the mouse, figure I will just wait and use the ebay
bucks I have accumulated over the last 3 months. I was explaiing why some
posts might show up form me with no responses (from me) in them. I can
remove them in usenet and probably if I want to look them up in Google
groups, but they still might have gone out to others.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

I guess this is off topic. I have an optical mouse. It's
been acting up, like if I move it over something it opens. I
just realized when I click to open a post on here, it seems
to be sending it (without opening and me writing anything
in it) I have it set to double click to open things, but it
seems to be opening and sending them all at the same time-
without me seeing them "open" to respond. I looked up about
cleaning them and tried it. I'm gonna wait till the first
week in Jan and get another one with my "ebay bucks" that
have been adding up (they give you a little bit everytime you
buy something and every 3 months you can use it. ) So, if
there are posts from me here that don't have anything from
me in them, that's why. I have another mouse, on another
computer, I can switch for now, but keep thinking this one is
going to work. But, it's like it has brain damage...
I know... it must be perfect because it's happening.

Horseshit. Where do you get this crap?

And "the Peace of God" is still my one goal. Not letting
mechanical things bother me. But, on the other hand... seems
like I heard Mercury is Retrograde? LOL

I don't see how this could be a software problem (unless it's
some obscure mouse design or your operating system has been
corrupted by malware) so it looks like you already know what
has to be done. Replace it.
Considering the recent and extensive High-Winds Media problems
we have been discussing, I'd be careful about concluding that
news problems are your fault.

It's not just the newsgroup it does it in. If I go to move
something (grab with the mouse) like a picture, it will opn it
full screen instead. I am going to replace the mouse, figure I
will just wait and use the ebay bucks I have accumulated over
the last 3 months. I was explaiing why some posts might show
up form me with no responses (from me) in them.
I can remove them in usenet

What does that mean?
You can't remove posts from the Usenet.

Post by Carrie
and probably if I want to look them up in Google
groups, but they still might have gone out to others.

Googlegroups is a Usenet archive. You can _apparently_
remove posts from it, but not from their backups.

Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

I guess this is off topic. I have an optical mouse. It's
been acting up, like if I move it over something it opens. I
just realized when I click to open a post on here, it seems
to be sending it (without opening and me writing anything
in it) I have it set to double click to open things, but it
seems to be opening and sending them all at the same time-
without me seeing them "open" to respond. I looked up about
cleaning them and tried it. I'm gonna wait till the first
week in Jan and get another one with my "ebay bucks" that
have been adding up (they give you a little bit everytime you
buy something and every 3 months you can use it. ) So, if
there are posts from me here that don't have anything from
me in them, that's why. I have another mouse, on another
computer, I can switch for now, but keep thinking this one is
going to work. But, it's like it has brain damage...
I know... it must be perfect because it's happening.

Horseshit. Where do you get this crap?

And "the Peace of God" is still my one goal. Not letting
mechanical things bother me. But, on the other hand... seems
like I heard Mercury is Retrograde? LOL

I don't see how this could be a software problem (unless it's
some obscure mouse design or your operating system has been
corrupted by malware) so it looks like you already know what
has to be done. Replace it.
Considering the recent and extensive High-Winds Media problems
we have been discussing, I'd be careful about concluding that
news problems are your fault.

It's not just the newsgroup it does it in. If I go to move
something (grab with the mouse) like a picture, it will opn it
full screen instead. I am going to replace the mouse, figure I
will just wait and use the ebay bucks I have accumulated over
the last 3 months. I was explaiing why some posts might show
up form me with no responses (from me) in them.
I can remove them in usenet

What does that mean?
You can't remove posts from the Usenet.

Okay, if you say so.

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie
and probably if I want to look them up in Google
groups, but they still might have gone out to others.

Googlegroups is a Usenet archive. You can _apparently_
remove posts from it, but not from their backups.
Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

I guess this is off topic. I have an optical mouse. It's
been acting up, like if I move it over something it opens. I
just realized when I click to open a post on here, it seems
to be sending it (without opening and me writing anything
in it) I have it set to double click to open things, but it
seems to be opening and sending them all at the same time-
without me seeing them "open" to respond. I looked up about
cleaning them and tried it. I'm gonna wait till the first
week in Jan and get another one with my "ebay bucks" that
have been adding up (they give you a little bit everytime you
buy something and every 3 months you can use it. ) So, if
there are posts from me here that don't have anything from
me in them, that's why. I have another mouse, on another
computer, I can switch for now, but keep thinking this one is
going to work. But, it's like it has brain damage...
I know... it must be perfect because it's happening.

Horseshit. Where do you get this crap?

And "the Peace of God" is still my one goal. Not letting
mechanical things bother me. But, on the other hand... seems
like I heard Mercury is Retrograde? LOL

I don't see how this could be a software problem (unless it's
some obscure mouse design or your operating system has been
corrupted by malware) so it looks like you already know what
has to be done. Replace it.
Considering the recent and extensive High-Winds Media problems
we have been discussing, I'd be careful about concluding that
news problems are your fault.

It's not just the newsgroup it does it in. If I go to move
something (grab with the mouse) like a picture, it will opn it
full screen instead. I am going to replace the mouse, figure I
will just wait and use the ebay bucks I have accumulated over
the last 3 months. I was explaiing why some posts might show
up form me with no responses (from me) in them.
I can remove them in usenet

What does that mean?
You can't remove posts from the Usenet.

Okay, if you say so.

You can, using parts of the NNTP (Network News Transfer
Protocol, using a particular control message, but check with
your newsadmins before doing this), delete posts from a specific
server. But you'd have to do it on ALL of them, and you'd have to
have a posting account on each one.

And then there are thousands and thousands of people like me
who have their own local newsspool. And then there are many
Usenet archives out there, not just googlegroups.

Sid

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie
and probably if I want to look them up in Google
groups, but they still might have gone out to others.

Googlegroups is a Usenet archive. You can _apparently_
remove posts from it, but not from their backups.
Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

I guess this is off topic. I have an optical mouse. It's
been acting up, like if I move it over something it opens. I
just realized when I click to open a post on here, it seems
to be sending it (without opening and me writing anything
in it) I have it set to double click to open things, but it
seems to be opening and sending them all at the same time-
without me seeing them "open" to respond. I looked up about
cleaning them and tried it. I'm gonna wait till the first
week in Jan and get another one with my "ebay bucks" that
have been adding up (they give you a little bit everytime you
buy something and every 3 months you can use it. ) So, if
there are posts from me here that don't have anything from
me in them, that's why. I have another mouse, on another
computer, I can switch for now, but keep thinking this one is
going to work. But, it's like it has brain damage...
I know... it must be perfect because it's happening.

Horseshit. Where do you get this crap?

And "the Peace of God" is still my one goal. Not letting
mechanical things bother me. But, on the other hand... seems
like I heard Mercury is Retrograde? LOL

I don't see how this could be a software problem (unless it's
some obscure mouse design or your operating system has been
corrupted by malware) so it looks like you already know what
has to be done. Replace it.
Considering the recent and extensive High-Winds Media problems
we have been discussing, I'd be careful about concluding that
news problems are your fault.

It's not just the newsgroup it does it in. If I go to move
something (grab with the mouse) like a picture, it will opn it
full screen instead. I am going to replace the mouse, figure I
will just wait and use the ebay bucks I have accumulated over
the last 3 months. I was explaiing why some posts might show
up form me with no responses (from me) in them.
I can remove them in usenet

What does that mean?
You can't remove posts from the Usenet.

Okay, if you say so.

You can, using parts of the NNTP (Network News Transfer
Protocol, using a particular control message, but check with
your newsadmins before doing this), delete posts from a specific
server. But you'd have to do it on ALL of them, and you'd have to
have a posting account on each one.
And then there are thousands and thousands of people like me
who have their own local newsspool. And then there are many
Usenet archives out there, not just googlegroups.
Sid

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie
and probably if I want to look them up in Google
groups, but they still might have gone out to others.

Googlegroups is a Usenet archive. You can _apparently_
remove posts from it, but not from their backups.
Sid

I highlight the message go up top to MESSAGE and click Cancel. Of course,
those who have already downloaded the new posts would have it.
I've occasionally come across messages here that are no longere "there"
when opened, they have been cancelled before I opened the newsgroup and got
the new ones.
I don't know if Google still lets you delete your own posts. I just wanted
to because they were sending without nothing (by me) written in them. I put
another mouse on now.

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

I guess this is off topic. I have an optical mouse.
It's been acting up, like if I move it over something it
opens. I just realized when I click to open a post on
here, it seems to be sending it (without opening and me
writing anything in it) I have it set to double click to
open things, but it seems to be opening and sending them
all at the same time- without me seeing them "open" to
respond. I looked up about cleaning them and tried it.
I'm gonna wait till the first week in Jan and get another
one with my "ebay bucks" that have been adding up (they
give you a little bit everytime you buy something and
every 3 months you can use it. ) So, if there are posts
from me here that don't have anything from me in them,
that's why. I have another mouse, on another computer, I
can switch for now, but keep thinking this one is going
to work. But, it's like it has brain damage...
I know... it must be perfect because it's happening.

Horseshit. Where do you get this crap?

And "the Peace of God" is still my one goal. Not letting
mechanical things bother me. But, on the other hand...
seems like I heard Mercury is Retrograde? LOL

I don't see how this could be a software problem (unless
it's some obscure mouse design or your operating system
has been corrupted by malware) so it looks like you
already know what has to be done. Replace it.
Considering the recent and extensive High-Winds Media
problems we have been discussing, I'd be careful about
concluding that news problems are your fault.

It's not just the newsgroup it does it in. If I go to
move something (grab with the mouse) like a picture, it
will opn it full screen instead. I am going to replace the
mouse, figure I will just wait and use the ebay bucks I
have accumulated over the last 3 months. I was explaiing
why some posts might show up form me with no responses
(from me) in them.
I can remove them in usenet

What does that mean? You can't remove posts from the Usenet.

Okay, if you say so.

You can, using parts of the NNTP (Network News Transfer
Protocol, using a particular control message, but check with
your newsadmins before doing this), delete posts from a
specific server. But you'd have to do it on ALL of them, and
you'd have to have a posting account on each one.
And then there are thousands and thousands of people like me
who have their own local newsspool. And then there are many
Usenet archives out there, not just googlegroups.
Sid

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie
and probably if I want to look them up in Google groups,
but they still might have gone out to others.

Googlegroups is a Usenet archive. You can _apparently_
remove posts from it, but not from their backups.
Sid

I highlight the message go up top to MESSAGE and click
Cancel. Of course, those who have already downloaded the new
posts would have it.

And your newsserver propagated it to, however indirectly, every
other newsserver on the Usenet....

Post by Carrie
I've occasionally come across messages here that are no longer
"there" when opened, they have been cancelled before I opened
the newsgroup and got the new ones.

Okay.

Post by Carrie
I don't know if Google still lets you delete your own posts. I
just wanted to because they were sending without nothing (by
me) written in them. I put another mouse on now.

I wouldn't worry about those posts, Carrie. Think of all the
spam...

I gather the new mouse works okay.

Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

I guess this is off topic. I have an optical mouse. It's been
acting up, like if I move it over something it opens. I just
realized when I click to open a post on here, it seems to be
sending it (without opening and me writing anything in it) I
have it set to double click to open things, but it seems to
be opening and sending them all at the same time- without me
seeing them "open" to respond. I looked up about cleaning them
and tried it. I'm gonna wait till the first week in Jan and
get another one with my "ebay bucks" that have been adding up
(they give you a little bit everytime you buy something and
every 3 months you can use it. ) So, if there are posts from me
here that don't have anything from me in them, that's why. I
have another mouse, on another computer, I can switch for now,
but keep thinking this one is going to work. But, it's like it
has brain damage...
I know... it must be perfect because it's happening. And "the
Peace of God" is still my one goal. Not letting mechanical
things bother me. But, on the other hand... seems like I heard
Mercury is Retrograde? LOL

All existence is Blessed ("perfect").

That doesn't mean that we don't have a lot
really bad stuff to heal here.

If something isn't working properly, then you
should let it bother you into fixing it.

If it didn't bother you, how the hell would
you know something was wrong?


Sid

[John Radgosky]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you
should let it bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would
you know something was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I caught, which
covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish Catholic priest, wha had been
shipped from parish to parish, city to city, as his transgressions
were discovered. Church heirarchy chose this "ship 'em off" option
rather than have his "problem" confronted and dealt with in a
"healthy" manner.

He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had been sent,
apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or liability claims against
the church .... or so I believe that to be the case.

That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from any idea that
what he had been doing with young people was inappropriate, a break in
trust, a serious series of acts with potential for much harm and wrong
doing (in a legal and emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,...
"wrong".

As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if the idea of
"consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of the man's makeup at all. I
suppose it's why he was in Ireland where there was no legal basis on
which to force any attempt to resolve the complaints of the families
or the young persons themselves who had looked for "justice".

The point is, in a case like that where some state of "mental illness"
or "compulsion" is present, I believe it to be that some individuals
just cannot tell the difference between a right and a wrong, in the
legal sense. And the legal system is stumped. So for that person,
I suppose it is a slim chance that "recovery" will come his way.
Unless some miracle happens. Which you summarised well.

For that person I would imagine intense counselling or perhaps even
institutionalization with care and treatment might be appropriate.

Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if any, to the
documentary and what it attempted to report.

The great challenge I find with the course is, the mechanics of
actually attempting to "see things differently". And asking myself
"what do I want?" out of the experience. Ultimately I know it's
peace. Which I sometimes have to "force" down my own throat. And
other times it is present, reasurring, and very peaceful and welcome.
For me there is little consistency when it comes to those things.

JR

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 29, 11:34=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you should let it
bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would you know something
was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I caught,
which covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish Catholic priest,
wha had been shipped from parish to parish, city to city, as
his transgressions were discovered. Church heirarchy chose this
"ship 'em off" option rather than have his "problem" confronted
and dealt with in a "healthy" manner.
He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had been sent,
apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or liability claims
against the church .... or so I believe that to be the case.
That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from
any idea that what he had been doing with young people was
inappropriate, a break in trust, a serious series of acts
with potential for much harm and wrong doing (in a legal and
emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,... "wrong".
As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if the
idea of "consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of the man's
makeup at all. I suppose it's why he was in Ireland where there
was no legal basis on which to force any attempt to resolve the
complaints of the families or the young persons themselves who
had looked for "justice".
The point is, in a case like that where some state of "mental
illness" or "compulsion" is present, I believe it to be that
some individuals just cannot tell the difference between a
right and a wrong, in the legal sense. And the legal system
is stumped. So for that person, I suppose it is a slim chance
that "recovery" will come his way. Unless some miracle happens.
Which you summarised well.
For that person I would imagine intense counselling or perhaps
even institutionalization with care and treatment might be
appropriate.
Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if any,
to the documentary and what it attempted to report.
The great challenge I find with the course is, the mechanics
of actually attempting to "see things differently". And asking
myself "what do I want?" out of the experience. Ultimately I
know it's peace. Which I sometimes have to "force" down my own
throat. And other times it is present, reasurring, and very
peaceful and welcome. For me there is little consistency when
it comes to those things.
JR

I have to say that this is the sort of vague, rambling,
psuedo-logic that I have come to expect from ACIM.


Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 29, 11:34=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you should let it
bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would you know something
was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I caught,
which covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish Catholic priest,
wha had been shipped from parish to parish, city to city, as
his transgressions were discovered. Church heirarchy chose this
"ship 'em off" option rather than have his "problem" confronted
and dealt with in a "healthy" manner.
He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had been sent,
apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or liability claims
against the church .... or so I believe that to be the case.
That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from
any idea that what he had been doing with young people was
inappropriate, a break in trust, a serious series of acts
with potential for much harm and wrong doing (in a legal and
emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,... "wrong".
As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if the
idea of "consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of the man's
makeup at all. I suppose it's why he was in Ireland where there
was no legal basis on which to force any attempt to resolve the
complaints of the families or the young persons themselves who
had looked for "justice".
The point is, in a case like that where some state of "mental
illness" or "compulsion" is present, I believe it to be that
some individuals just cannot tell the difference between a
right and a wrong, in the legal sense. And the legal system
is stumped. So for that person, I suppose it is a slim chance
that "recovery" will come his way. Unless some miracle happens.
Which you summarised well.
For that person I would imagine intense counselling or perhaps
even institutionalization with care and treatment might be
appropriate.
Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if any,
to the documentary and what it attempted to report.
The great challenge I find with the course is, the mechanics
of actually attempting to "see things differently". And asking
myself "what do I want?" out of the experience. Ultimately I
know it's peace. Which I sometimes have to "force" down my own
throat. And other times it is present, reasurring, and very
peaceful and welcome. For me there is little consistency when
it comes to those things.
JR

I have to say that this is the sort of vague, rambling,
psuedo-logic that I have come to expect from ACIM.
Sid

You expect it and you find it, and you are surprised by this?

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 29, 11:34=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you should let it
bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would you know something
was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I caught,
which covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish Catholic priest,
wha had been shipped from parish to parish, city to city, as
his transgressions were discovered. Church heirarchy chose this
"ship 'em off" option rather than have his "problem" confronted
and dealt with in a "healthy" manner.
He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had been sent,
apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or liability claims
against the church .... or so I believe that to be the case.
That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from
any idea that what he had been doing with young people was
inappropriate, a break in trust, a serious series of acts
with potential for much harm and wrong doing (in a legal and
emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,... "wrong".
As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if the
idea of "consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of the man's
makeup at all. I suppose it's why he was in Ireland where there
was no legal basis on which to force any attempt to resolve the
complaints of the families or the young persons themselves who
had looked for "justice".
The point is, in a case like that where some state of "mental
illness" or "compulsion" is present, I believe it to be that
some individuals just cannot tell the difference between a
right and a wrong, in the legal sense. And the legal system
is stumped. So for that person, I suppose it is a slim chance
that "recovery" will come his way. Unless some miracle happens.
Which you summarised well.
For that person I would imagine intense counselling or perhaps
even institutionalization with care and treatment might be
appropriate.
Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if any,
to the documentary and what it attempted to report.
The great challenge I find with the course is, the mechanics
of actually attempting to "see things differently". And asking
myself "what do I want?" out of the experience. Ultimately I
know it's peace. Which I sometimes have to "force" down my own
throat. And other times it is present, reasurring, and very
peaceful and welcome. For me there is little consistency when
it comes to those things.
JR

I have to say that this is the sort of vague, rambling,
psuedo-logic that I have come to expect from ACIM.
Sid

You expect it and you find it, and you are surprised by this?

One shouldn't play lawyers' deceitful word games with the Truth.

Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 29, 11:34=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you should let it
bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would you know something
was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I caught,
which covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish Catholic priest,
wha had been shipped from parish to parish, city to city, as
his transgressions were discovered. Church heirarchy chose this
"ship 'em off" option rather than have his "problem" confronted
and dealt with in a "healthy" manner.
He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had been sent,
apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or liability claims
against the church .... or so I believe that to be the case.
That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from
any idea that what he had been doing with young people was
inappropriate, a break in trust, a serious series of acts
with potential for much harm and wrong doing (in a legal and
emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,... "wrong".
As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if the
idea of "consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of the man's
makeup at all. I suppose it's why he was in Ireland where there
was no legal basis on which to force any attempt to resolve the
complaints of the families or the young persons themselves who
had looked for "justice".
The point is, in a case like that where some state of "mental
illness" or "compulsion" is present, I believe it to be that
some individuals just cannot tell the difference between a
right and a wrong, in the legal sense. And the legal system
is stumped. So for that person, I suppose it is a slim chance
that "recovery" will come his way. Unless some miracle happens.
Which you summarised well.
For that person I would imagine intense counselling or perhaps
even institutionalization with care and treatment might be
appropriate.
Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if any,
to the documentary and what it attempted to report.
The great challenge I find with the course is, the mechanics
of actually attempting to "see things differently". And asking
myself "what do I want?" out of the experience. Ultimately I
know it's peace. Which I sometimes have to "force" down my own
throat. And other times it is present, reasurring, and very
peaceful and welcome. For me there is little consistency when
it comes to those things.
JR

I have to say that this is the sort of vague, rambling,
psuedo-logic that I have come to expect from ACIM.
Sid

You expect it and you find it, and you are surprised by this?

So what do you do? When the news says that there was a brutal
murder a few blocks from you place, do you just think "Oh, that
can't be happenning. An enlightened person lives in a world where
bad things don't occur."

Where all books that claim to hold The Truth actually do...Where
one of them can't have some flaws in it, due to distortions in
the reception of the material.

See, Carrie, we are focussed at present in a
"collective/objective" reality.

If everyone but you wants war, they are going to have it.
You don't make other people's realities.

But if the Peace in your Heart is pure, you will not have
to kill and you will not be killed. And you can protect
_some_ others, depending on your strength.


Sid

[John Radgosky]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 29, 11:34=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you should let it
bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would you know something
was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I caught,
which covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish Catholic priest,
wha had been shipped from parish to parish, city to city, as
his transgressions were discovered. Church heirarchy chose this
"ship 'em off" option rather than have his "problem" confronted
and dealt with in a "healthy" manner.
He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had been sent,
apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or liability claims
against the church .... or so I believe that to be the case.
That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from
any idea that what he had been doing with young people was
inappropriate, a break in trust, a serious series of acts
with potential for much harm and wrong doing (in a legal and
emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,... "wrong".
As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if the
idea of "consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of the man's
makeup at all. I suppose it's why he was in Ireland where there
was no legal basis on which to force any attempt to resolve the
complaints of the families or the young persons themselves who
had looked for "justice".
The point is, in a case like that where some state of "mental
illness" or "compulsion" is present, I believe it to be that
some individuals just cannot tell the difference between a
right and a wrong, in the legal sense. And the legal system
is stumped. So for that person, I suppose it is a slim chance
that "recovery" will come his way. Unless some miracle happens.
Which you summarised well.
For that person I would imagine intense counselling or perhaps
even institutionalization with care and treatment might be
appropriate.
Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if any,
to the documentary and what it attempted to report.
The great challenge I find with the course is, the mechanics
of actually attempting to "see things differently". And asking
myself "what do I want?" out of the experience. Ultimately I
know it's peace. Which I sometimes have to "force" down my own
throat. And other times it is present, reasurring, and very
peaceful and welcome. For me there is little consistency when
it comes to those things.
JR

I have to say that this is the sort of vague, rambling,
psuedo-logic that I have come to expect from ACIM.
Sid

  You expect it and you find it, and you are surprised by this?

So what do you do? When the news says that there was a brutal
murder a few blocks from you place, do you just think "Oh, that
can't be happenning. An enlightened person lives in a world where
bad things don't occur."
Where all books that claim to hold The Truth actually do...Where
one of them can't have some flaws in it, due to distortions in
the reception of the material.
See, Carrie, we are focussed at present in a
"collective/objective" reality.
If everyone but you wants war, they are going to have it.
You don't make other people's realities.
But if the Peace in your Heart is pure, you will not have
to kill and you will not be killed. And you can protect
_some_ others, depending on your strength.
Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Sid,

I'd like to comment on that if you wouldn't mind.

As recently as today I had what was for me, an odd experience akin to
the war you mention, but in a certain manner, and not with the high
drama of actual "war". But let's just say a small "war" was brewing.
It wasn't actually a condo association meeting, but let's use that as
the basis of comparison and assume it was. The real event involves a
business group of which I am a part and who meet twice a month, and
have a membership of approx 60 people or so..

We had a new chair take over who suggested some modifactions to how
we run things. There was immediate reaction, some accepting and
pleasant, other expressing alternative ways to proceed, and a little
but NOTICEABLE "argument" some of it which was "heated" from a few
and it seemed to raise the "temperature" of emails back and forth for
most of this morning..

Normally I would jump in there with two left feet, start spouting my
p.o.v., and opinions and I would "feel" my involvement and take it on
board and "feel something" as a consequence.

But I just didn't do that. Not today. I reacted VERY differently...
for, as I say, me.

I simply observed all of it unfolding, and I didn't involve myself
either way, and realized it didn't matter to me WHAT the outcome might
be. Whatever it would be would be just fine by me. And as all of
this was going on I had no feelings either way about any of it
although I WAS ... interested. And yet, being friendly and
"connected" to each member of the group as I am, I appreciate, respect
and enjoy each person's company and the collective, the group, just
as equally. So I was "detached" WITHOUT being "disinterested". And
I was as calm and peaceful about it as I could possibly be, free from
ANY reaction or emotion over any of it.

Now I know we're not talking about actual "war", but what is worthy of
note, for me, is how unbelievably relaxed I was about the entire
situation. And I AM NOT normally like that.

For many people that might be a typical way they might react. But
you have to trust me when I say that has NOT been me up to this
point. And I cannot help but realize I am being influenced by what
I am being exposed to through participation with the course material,
and a weekly local gathering I attend where the discussion and format
is convenient, enjoyable, interersting and from which I learn a
lot.

What I'm saying is, if what occurred today is ANYTHING to do with
"seeing things differently" as I am learning , and not having ANY
judgement, or ANY upset or ANY emotion, then I am content with that.
And, it IS different for me. And in some way I feel today brought one
of those little "glimpses" that bring that certain something, whatever
it is, that arrives with the gradual and greater learning and
experiencing of the course thought system. Peace, perhaps. But not
just a word. A feeling.

I cannot recall ever having such a "mature" reaction to ANYTHING
before, as I had today. Small example, but .... who knows ? If I
could react like that to all those things that might otherwise "push
my buttons", I can't say what the potential could be.

So, extapolating that out to mankind ???? Who knows whether all war
for all time just COULD be eliminated. Once we each saw each other
for who we really are.

That potential is worth going for if you were to ask me. Which you're
not, but ... what if ?

JR

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by John Radgosky

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 29, 11:34=3DA0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you should let it
bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would you know something
was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I caught,
which covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish Catholic priest,
wha had been shipped from parish to parish, city to city, as
his transgressions were discovered. Church heirarchy chose this
"ship 'em off" option rather than have his "problem" confronted
and dealt with in a "healthy" manner.
He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had been sent,
apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or liability claims
against the church .... or so I believe that to be the case.
That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from
any idea that what he had been doing with young people was
inappropriate, a break in trust, a serious series of acts
with potential for much harm and wrong doing (in a legal and
emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,... "wrong".
As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if the
idea of "consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of the man's
makeup at all. I suppose it's why he was in Ireland where there
was no legal basis on which to force any attempt to resolve the
complaints of the families or the young persons themselves who
had looked for "justice".
The point is, in a case like that where some state of "mental
illness" or "compulsion" is present, I believe it to be that
some individuals just cannot tell the difference between a
right and a wrong, in the legal sense. And the legal system
is stumped. So for that person, I suppose it is a slim chance
that "recovery" will come his way. Unless some miracle happens.
Which you summarised well.
For that person I would imagine intense counselling or perhaps
even institutionalization with care and treatment might be
appropriate.
Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if any,
to the documentary and what it attempted to report.
The great challenge I find with the course is, the mechanics
of actually attempting to "see things differently". And asking
myself "what do I want?" out of the experience. Ultimately I
know it's peace. Which I sometimes have to "force" down my own
throat. And other times it is present, reasurring, and very
peaceful and welcome. For me there is little consistency when
it comes to those things.
JR

I have to say that this is the sort of vague, rambling,
psuedo-logic that I have come to expect from ACIM.
Sid

=A0 You expect it and you find it, and you are surprised by this?

So what do you do? When the news says that there was a brutal
murder a few blocks from you place, do you just think "Oh, that
can't be happenning. An enlightened person lives in a world where
bad things don't occur."
Where all books that claim to hold The Truth actually do...Where
one of them can't have some flaws in it, due to distortions in
the reception of the material.
See, Carrie, we are focussed at present in a
"collective/objective" reality.
If everyone but you wants war, they are going to have it.
You don't make other people's realities.
But if the Peace in your Heart is pure, you will not have
to kill and you will not be killed. And you can protect
_some_ others, depending on your strength.

Sid,
I'd like to comment on that if you wouldn't mind.

I read your comments. They are irrelevant. Once again.

I think ACIM has addled your brains.

[delete]

Sid

[Carrie]

Post by John Radgosky

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 29, 11:34=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you should let it
bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would you know something
was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I caught,
which covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish Catholic priest,
wha had been shipped from parish to parish, city to city, as
his transgressions were discovered. Church heirarchy chose this
"ship 'em off" option rather than have his "problem" confronted
and dealt with in a "healthy" manner.
He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had been sent,
apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or liability claims
against the church .... or so I believe that to be the case.
That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from
any idea that what he had been doing with young people was
inappropriate, a break in trust, a serious series of acts
with potential for much harm and wrong doing (in a legal and
emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,... "wrong".
As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if the
idea of "consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of the man's
makeup at all. I suppose it's why he was in Ireland where there
was no legal basis on which to force any attempt to resolve the
complaints of the families or the young persons themselves who
had looked for "justice".
The point is, in a case like that where some state of "mental
illness" or "compulsion" is present, I believe it to be that
some individuals just cannot tell the difference between a
right and a wrong, in the legal sense. And the legal system
is stumped. So for that person, I suppose it is a slim chance
that "recovery" will come his way. Unless some miracle happens.
Which you summarised well.
For that person I would imagine intense counselling or perhaps
even institutionalization with care and treatment might be
appropriate.
Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if any,
to the documentary and what it attempted to report.
The great challenge I find with the course is, the mechanics
of actually attempting to "see things differently". And asking
myself "what do I want?" out of the experience. Ultimately I
know it's peace. Which I sometimes have to "force" down my own
throat. And other times it is present, reasurring, and very
peaceful and welcome. For me there is little consistency when
it comes to those things.
JR

I have to say that this is the sort of vague, rambling,
psuedo-logic that I have come to expect from ACIM.
Sid

You expect it and you find it, and you are surprised by this?

So what do you do? When the news says that there was a brutal
murder a few blocks from you place, do you just think "Oh, that
can't be happenning. An enlightened person lives in a world where
bad things don't occur."
Where all books that claim to hold The Truth actually do...Where
one of them can't have some flaws in it, due to distortions in
the reception of the material.
See, Carrie, we are focussed at present in a
"collective/objective" reality.
If everyone but you wants war, they are going to have it.
You don't make other people's realities.
But if the Peace in your Heart is pure, you will not have
to kill and you will not be killed. And you can protect
_some_ others, depending on your strength.
Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Sid,
I'd like to comment on that if you wouldn't mind.
As recently as today I had what was for me, an odd experience akin to
the war you mention, but in a certain manner, and not with the high
drama of actual "war". But let's just say a small "war" was brewing.
It wasn't actually a condo association meeting, but let's use that as
the basis of comparison and assume it was. The real event involves a
business group of which I am a part and who meet twice a month, and
have a membership of approx 60 people or so..
We had a new chair take over who suggested some modifactions to how
we run things. There was immediate reaction, some accepting and
pleasant, other expressing alternative ways to proceed, and a little
but NOTICEABLE "argument" some of it which was "heated" from a few
and it seemed to raise the "temperature" of emails back and forth for
most of this morning..
Normally I would jump in there with two left feet, start spouting my
p.o.v., and opinions and I would "feel" my involvement and take it on
board and "feel something" as a consequence.
But I just didn't do that. Not today. I reacted VERY differently...
for, as I say, me.
I simply observed all of it unfolding, and I didn't involve myself
either way, and realized it didn't matter to me WHAT the outcome might
be. Whatever it would be would be just fine by me. And as all of
this was going on I had no feelings either way about any of it
although I WAS ... interested. And yet, being friendly and
"connected" to each member of the group as I am, I appreciate, respect
and enjoy each person's company and the collective, the group, just
as equally. So I was "detached" WITHOUT being "disinterested". And
I was as calm and peaceful about it as I could possibly be, free from
ANY reaction or emotion over any of it.
Now I know we're not talking about actual "war", but what is worthy of
note, for me, is how unbelievably relaxed I was about the entire
situation. And I AM NOT normally like that.
For many people that might be a typical way they might react. But
you have to trust me when I say that has NOT been me up to this
point. And I cannot help but realize I am being influenced by what
I am being exposed to through participation with the course material,
and a weekly local gathering I attend where the discussion and format
is convenient, enjoyable, interersting and from which I learn a
lot.
What I'm saying is, if what occurred today is ANYTHING to do with
"seeing things differently" as I am learning , and not having ANY
judgement, or ANY upset or ANY emotion, then I am content with that.
And, it IS different for me. And in some way I feel today brought one
of those little "glimpses" that bring that certain something, whatever
it is, that arrives with the gradual and greater learning and
experiencing of the course thought system. Peace, perhaps. But not
just a word. A feeling.
I cannot recall ever having such a "mature" reaction to ANYTHING
before, as I had today. Small example, but .... who knows ? If I
could react like that to all those things that might otherwise "push
my buttons", I can't say what the potential could be.
So, extapolating that out to mankind ???? Who knows whether all war
for all time just COULD be eliminated. Once we each saw each other
for who we really are.
That potential is worth going for if you were to ask me. Which you're
not, but ... what if ?
JR

I have been noticing this about myself, too. In various situations. And
my first reaction is usually to "combust" and react from this. I'm still
sometimes tempted to, but if I can just wait a bit and let it go, it just
goes.
I'm glad you shared this, John because it might be showing that the
overall feeling of the Sonship (believing they are in separated form) is
shifting enough to be noticable by more. And, when *I* choose to "see Peace
instead of this" and let it go (forgive, even though there's nothing to
really forgive) it shifts the overall dynamics in some way. Even if it might
not be immediately noticable, and others might not be aware of it at all. In
the long run it changes things in a good way.

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

On Dec 30, 12:07 pm, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 29, 11:34=A0am, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you should let
it bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would you know
something was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I
caught, which covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish
Catholic priest, wha had been shipped from parish
to parish, city to city, as his transgressions were
discovered. Church heirarchy chose this "ship 'em off"
option rather than have his "problem" confronted and dealt
with in a "healthy" manner.
He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had
been sent, apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or
liability claims against the church .... or so I believe
that to be the case.
That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from
any idea that what he had been doing with young people was
inappropriate, a break in trust, a serious series of acts
with potential for much harm and wrong doing (in a legal
and emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,... "wrong".
As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if
the idea of "consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of
the man's makeup at all. I suppose it's why he was in
Ireland where there was no legal basis on which to force
any attempt to resolve the complaints of the families or
the young persons themselves who had looked for "justice".
The point is, in a case like that where some state of
"mental illness" or "compulsion" is present, I believe
it to be that some individuals just cannot tell the
difference between a right and a wrong, in the legal
sense. And the legal system is stumped. So for that
person, I suppose it is a slim chance that "recovery"
will come his way. Unless some miracle happens. Which you
summarised well.
For that person I would imagine intense counselling or
perhaps even institutionalization with care and treatment
might be appropriate.
Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if
any, to the documentary and what it attempted to report.
The great challenge I find with the course is, the
mechanics of actually attempting to "see things
differently". And asking myself "what do I want?" out of
the experience. Ultimately I know it's peace. Which I
sometimes have to "force" down my own throat. And other
times it is present, reasurring, and very peaceful and
welcome. For me there is little consistency when it comes
to those things.
JR

I have to say that this is the sort of vague, rambling,
psuedo-logic that I have come to expect from ACIM.
Sid

You expect it and you find it, and you are surprised by
this?

So what do you do? When the news says that there was a brutal
murder a few blocks from you place, do you just think "Oh,
that can't be happenning. An enlightened person lives in a
world where bad things don't occur."
Where all books that claim to hold The Truth actually
do...Where one of them can't have some flaws in it, due to
distortions in the reception of the material.
See, Carrie, we are focussed at present in a
"collective/objective" reality.
If everyone but you wants war, they are going to have it You.
don't make other people's realities .
But if the Peace in your Heart is pure, you will not have to
kill and you will not be killed. And you can protect _some_
others, depending on your strength.
Sid
-- I am a Magickal Being My Second Spell is
Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb usenet4444 (AT) gmail
(DOT) com- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Sid,
I'd like to comment on that if you wouldn't mind.
As recently as today I had what was for me, an odd experience
akin to the war you mention, but in a certain manner, and
not with the high drama of actual "war". But let's just
say a small "war" was brewing. It wasn't actually a condo
association meeting, but let's use that as the basis of
comparison and assume it was. The real event involves a
business group of which I am a part and who meet twice a
month, and have a membership of approx 60 people or so..
We had a new chair take over who suggested some modifactions
to how we run things. There was immediate reaction, some
accepting and pleasant, other expressing alternative ways
to proceed, and a little but NOTICEABLE "argument" some of
it which was "heated" from a few and it seemed to raise the
"temperature" of emails back and forth for most of this
morning..
Normally I would jump in there with two left feet, start
spouting my p.o.v., and opinions and I would "feel" my
involvement and take it on board and "feel something" as a
consequence.
But I just didn't do that. Not today. I reacted VERY .
differently.. for, as I say, me .
I simply observed all of it unfolding, and I didn't involve
myself either way, and realized it didn't matter to me WHAT
the outcome might be. Whatever it would be would be just fine
by me. And as all of this was going on I had no feelings
either way about any of it although I WAS ... interested. And
yet, being friendly and "connected" to each member of the
group as I am, I appreciate, respect and enjoy each person's
company and the collective, the group, just as equally. So I
was "detached" WITHOUT being "disinterested". And I was as
calm and peaceful about it as I could possibly be, free from
ANY reaction or emotion over any of it.
Now I know we're not talking about actual "war", but what is
worthy of note, for me, is how unbelievably relaxed I was
about the entire situation. And I AM NOT normally like that.
For many people that might be a typical way they might react.
But you have to trust me when I say that has NOT been me
up to this point. And I cannot help but realize I am being
influenced by what I am being exposed to through participation
with the course material, and a weekly local gathering
I attend where the discussion and format is convenient,
enjoyable, interersting and from which I learn a lot.
What I'm saying is, if what occurred today is ANYTHING to do
with "seeing things differently" as I am learning , and not
having ANY judgement, or ANY upset or ANY emotion, then I am
content with that. And, it IS different for me. And in some
way I feel today brought one of those little "glimpses" that
bring that certain something, whatever it is, that arrives
with the gradual and greater learning and experiencing of the
course thought system. Peace, perhaps. But not just a word. A
feeling.
I cannot recall ever having such a "mature" reaction to
ANYTHING before, as I had today. Small example, but ....
who knows ? If I could react like that to all those things
that might otherwise "push my buttons", I can't say what the
potential could be.
So, extapolating that out to mankind ???? Who knows whether
all war for all time just COULD be eliminated. Once we each
saw each other for who we really are.
That potential is worth going for if you were to ask me. Which
you're not, but ... what if ?
JR

I have been noticing this about myself, too. In various
situations. And my first reaction is usually to "combust" and
react from this. I'm still sometimes tempted to, but if I can
just wait a bit and let it go, it just goes. I'm glad you
shared this, John because it might be showing that the overall
feeling of the Sonship (believing they are in separated form)
is shifting enough to be noticable by more. And, when *I*
choose to "see Peace instead of this" and let it go (forgive,
even though there's nothing to really forgive) it shifts
the overall dynamics in some way. Even if it might not be
immediately noticable, and others might not be aware of it at
all. In the long run it changes things in a good way.

No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna approaches
have been around for a long time, like "The Power of Positive
Thinking", and they always fail the acid test.

This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative aspects of
the world because if you do you will ignore/suppress negative
aspects of yourself.

You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that neutralize
each other or split your personality to one degree or another.

Sid

[Carrie]

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On Dec 30, 12:07 pm, Sidney Lambe

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On Dec 29, 11:34=A0am, Sidney Lambe

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On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
If something isn't working properly, then you should let
it bother you into fixing it.
If it didn't bother you, how the hell would you know
something was wrong?
Sid

I'm reminded of a documentary, only part of which I
caught, which covered a "serial" pedophile, an Irish
Catholic priest, wha had been shipped from parish
to parish, city to city, as his transgressions were
discovered. Church heirarchy chose this "ship 'em off"
option rather than have his "problem" confronted and dealt
with in a "healthy" manner.
He was being interviewed in Ireland to where had had
been sent, apparantly to avoid facing civil action, or
liability claims against the church .... or so I believe
that to be the case.
That priest seemed to be completely "disconnected" from
any idea that what he had been doing with young people was
inappropriate, a break in trust, a serious series of acts
with potential for much harm and wrong doing (in a legal
and emotionally acceptable sense), let alone,... "wrong".
As far as I was able to observe, it didn't "seem" as if
the idea of "consciounce" or "remorse" was any part of
the man's makeup at all. I suppose it's why he was in
Ireland where there was no legal basis on which to force
any attempt to resolve the complaints of the families or
the young persons themselves who had looked for "justice".
The point is, in a case like that where some state of
"mental illness" or "compulsion" is present, I believe
it to be that some individuals just cannot tell the
difference between a right and a wrong, in the legal
sense. And the legal system is stumped. So for that
person, I suppose it is a slim chance that "recovery"
will come his way. Unless some miracle happens. Which you
summarised well.
For that person I would imagine intense counselling or
perhaps even institutionalization with care and treatment
might be appropriate.
Which brings us back to ... a book. And my reactions, if
any, to the documentary and what it attempted to report.
The great challenge I find with the course is, the
mechanics of actually attempting to "see things
differently". And asking myself "what do I want?" out of
the experience. Ultimately I know it's peace. Which I
sometimes have to "force" down my own throat. And other
times it is present, reasurring, and very peaceful and
welcome. For me there is little consistency when it comes
to those things.
JR

I have to say that this is the sort of vague, rambling,
psuedo-logic that I have come to expect from ACIM.
Sid

You expect it and you find it, and you are surprised by
this?

So what do you do? When the news says that there was a brutal
murder a few blocks from you place, do you just think "Oh,
that can't be happenning. An enlightened person lives in a
world where bad things don't occur."
Where all books that claim to hold The Truth actually
do...Where one of them can't have some flaws in it, due to
distortions in the reception of the material.
See, Carrie, we are focussed at present in a
"collective/objective" reality.
If everyone but you wants war, they are going to have it You.
don't make other people's realities .
But if the Peace in your Heart is pure, you will not have to
kill and you will not be killed. And you can protect _some_
others, depending on your strength.
Sid
-- I am a Magickal Being My Second Spell is
Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb usenet4444 (AT) gmail
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Sid,
I'd like to comment on that if you wouldn't mind.
As recently as today I had what was for me, an odd experience
akin to the war you mention, but in a certain manner, and
not with the high drama of actual "war". But let's just
say a small "war" was brewing. It wasn't actually a condo
association meeting, but let's use that as the basis of
comparison and assume it was. The real event involves a
business group of which I am a part and who meet twice a
month, and have a membership of approx 60 people or so..
We had a new chair take over who suggested some modifactions
to how we run things. There was immediate reaction, some
accepting and pleasant, other expressing alternative ways
to proceed, and a little but NOTICEABLE "argument" some of
it which was "heated" from a few and it seemed to raise the
"temperature" of emails back and forth for most of this
morning..
Normally I would jump in there with two left feet, start
spouting my p.o.v., and opinions and I would "feel" my
involvement and take it on board and "feel something" as a
consequence.
But I just didn't do that. Not today. I reacted VERY .
differently.. for, as I say, me .
I simply observed all of it unfolding, and I didn't involve
myself either way, and realized it didn't matter to me WHAT
the outcome might be. Whatever it would be would be just fine
by me. And as all of this was going on I had no feelings
either way about any of it although I WAS ... interested. And
yet, being friendly and "connected" to each member of the
group as I am, I appreciate, respect and enjoy each person's
company and the collective, the group, just as equally. So I
was "detached" WITHOUT being "disinterested". And I was as
calm and peaceful about it as I could possibly be, free from
ANY reaction or emotion over any of it.
Now I know we're not talking about actual "war", but what is
worthy of note, for me, is how unbelievably relaxed I was
about the entire situation. And I AM NOT normally like that.
For many people that might be a typical way they might react.
But you have to trust me when I say that has NOT been me
up to this point. And I cannot help but realize I am being
influenced by what I am being exposed to through participation
with the course material, and a weekly local gathering
I attend where the discussion and format is convenient,
enjoyable, interersting and from which I learn a lot.
What I'm saying is, if what occurred today is ANYTHING to do
with "seeing things differently" as I am learning , and not
having ANY judgement, or ANY upset or ANY emotion, then I am
content with that. And, it IS different for me. And in some
way I feel today brought one of those little "glimpses" that
bring that certain something, whatever it is, that arrives
with the gradual and greater learning and experiencing of the
course thought system. Peace, perhaps. But not just a word. A
feeling.
I cannot recall ever having such a "mature" reaction to
ANYTHING before, as I had today. Small example, but ....
who knows ? If I could react like that to all those things
that might otherwise "push my buttons", I can't say what the
potential could be.
So, extapolating that out to mankind ???? Who knows whether
all war for all time just COULD be eliminated. Once we each
saw each other for who we really are.
That potential is worth going for if you were to ask me. Which
you're not, but ... what if ?
JR

I have been noticing this about myself, too. In various
situations. And my first reaction is usually to "combust" and
react from this. I'm still sometimes tempted to, but if I can
just wait a bit and let it go, it just goes. I'm glad you
shared this, John because it might be showing that the overall
feeling of the Sonship (believing they are in separated form)
is shifting enough to be noticable by more. And, when *I*
choose to "see Peace instead of this" and let it go (forgive,
even though there's nothing to really forgive) it shifts
the overall dynamics in some way. Even if it might not be
immediately noticable, and others might not be aware of it at
all. In the long run it changes things in a good way.

No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna approaches
have been around for a long time, like "The Power of Positive
Thinking", and they always fail the acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative aspects of
the world because if you do you will ignore/suppress negative
aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that neutralize
each other or split your personality to one degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience?
And thus, it must apply to all?
Though, I guess if you believe it's true, than to you (and what you see
in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on to.

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Sid

[Sidney Lambe]

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Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna approaches
have been around for a long time, like "The Power of Positive
Thinking", and they always fail the acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative aspects of
the world because if you do you will ignore/suppress negative
aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that neutralize
each other or split your personality to one degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience?
And thus, it must apply to all?
Though, I guess if you believe it's true, than to you (and what you see
in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't give
a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or agree with
it or not.

Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage sewage.

You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get anywhere.


Sid

[John Radgosky]

Post by Sidney Lambe
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Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna approaches
have been around for a long time, like "The Power of Positive
Thinking", and they always fail the acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative aspects of
the world because if you do you will ignore/suppress negative
aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that neutralize
each other or split your personality to one degree or another.

   You have learned this from personal experience?
   And thus, it must apply to all?
    Though, I guess if you believe it's true, than to you (and what you see
in others) it is true.
     Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't give
a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or agree with
it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get anywhere.
Sid- Hide quoted text -
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The one thing I do know Sid, (but keep forgetting) is the course would
urge me to ask myself, what do I want out of this ? And, is there
another
way to look at it ?

And what I am beginning to feel (as opposed to thinking about) is that
peace is
only present when I am less willful about whatever it is that is
exciting me but
still allowing me to fully participate in the world as it is. Warts
and all.
Joyfullness and all. Wonderment and all. Ugliness and all. The
duality which the
world has. Where elsewhere there is ONLY one way and it is True.

And apparantly, this can be learned, and requires practice. It is
about changing my
mind. With some guidance otherwise I might not be able to do it on my
own.

JR

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 30, 9:58=A0pm, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
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Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna
approaches have been around for a long time, like "The
Power of Positive Thinking", and they always fail the acid
test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative
aspects of the world because if you do you will
ignore/suppress negative aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that
neutralize each other or split your personality to one
degree or another.

=A0 =A0You have learned this from personal experience? And
=A0 =A0thus, it must apply to all? Though, I guess if you
=A0 =A0believe it's true, than to you (and what=

you see

Post by Sidney Lambe

in others) it is true. =A0 =A0 =A0Not true for me, and
nothing I see any value in hanging on t=

o.

Post by Sidney Lambe
OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't
give a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or
agree with it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get anywhere.
Sid

The one thing I do know Sid, (but keep forgetting) is the
course would urge me to ask myself, what do I want out of this
? And, is there another way to look at it ?

I cannot imagine why you think I would be interested in your
opinion here.

Are you retarded? I know that you have read my posts, and I have
made it very clear that I think you are an ignorant and bigoted
religious fanatic.

And that ACIM is seriously flawed.

[delete]

Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 30, 9:58=A0pm, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
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Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna
approaches have been around for a long time, like "The
Power of Positive Thinking", and they always fail the acid
test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative
aspects of the world because if you do you will
ignore/suppress negative aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that
neutralize each other or split your personality to one
degree or another.

=A0 =A0You have learned this from personal experience? And
=A0 =A0thus, it must apply to all? Though, I guess if you
=A0 =A0believe it's true, than to you (and what=

you see

Post by Sidney Lambe

in others) it is true. =A0 =A0 =A0Not true for me, and
nothing I see any value in hanging on t=

o.

Post by Sidney Lambe
OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't
give a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or
agree with it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get anywhere.
Sid

The one thing I do know Sid, (but keep forgetting) is the
course would urge me to ask myself, what do I want out of this
? And, is there another way to look at it ?

I cannot imagine why you think I would be interested in your
opinion here.

Yet you continually give yours.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Are you retarded? I know that you have read my posts, and I have
made it very clear that I think you are an ignorant and bigoted
religious fanatic.

Maybe John doesn't care what your opinion is? Which shows more about
you than him.

Post by Sidney Lambe
And that ACIM is seriously flawed.
[delete]
Sid

[John Radgosky]

Post by Sidney Lambe
I cannot imagine why you think I would be interested in your
opinion here.

It doesn't matter if you are or not. But, despite that, one can
always
at least appreciate the opportunity to debate. As long as it stays
civil.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Are you retarded? I know that you have read my posts, and I have
made it very clear that I think you are an ignorant and bigoted
religious fanatic.

Without knowing how you define religious, for me there is nothing
further
from my own truth about that.

Fanatic? I hope not.

Ignorant ? Not likely, But I'm not all knowing either.
.
Bigoted ? I don't feel I am. I happen to see myself as one who is
open minded
about much. Maybe I'm bigoted on some details without being aware of
it.
Chances are most of us have some of that in us. Who knows for
sure ?.

Post by Sidney Lambe
And that ACIM is seriously flawed.

I'm sure you're not alone with that sentiment.

JR

[Carrie]

Post by John Radgosky

Post by Sidney Lambe
I cannot imagine why you think I would be interested in your
opinion here.

It doesn't matter if you are or not. But, despite that, one can
always
at least appreciate the opportunity to debate. As long as it stays
civil.

I think I am always open to,and trying to start discussions. To me,
what I write often gets turned into being about "me" as a person. LIke I
would need to defend myself, and my beliefs, and/or explain them. Instead of
just "this is how I think, feel and believe about this topic" and the other
coming from the same place. As to "civil" who decides this for everyone
else? This is an unmoderated group (one of the few remaining where someone
else doesn't decide how things should be and how and what someone else
should learn, by being exposed to). We always have the choice of changing
our OWN MIND and seeing it in a different way. Whatever your idea of civil
is?
What do you think about the course saying "if he speaks not of Christ
to you, you spoke not of Christ to him"? (offered as a topic for possible
discussion) This seems clear and simple, we get back what we give out.

Post by John Radgosky

Post by Sidney Lambe
Are you retarded? I know that you have read my posts, and I have
made it very clear that I think you are an ignorant and bigoted
religious fanatic.

Without knowing how you define religious, for me there is nothing
further
from my own truth about that.
Fanatic? I hope not.

Fanatic? I AM a fanatic! I know this isn't about me, but just in
the spirit or dicussion, If you two want a personal conversation and back
and forth arguing, without anyone else trying to make a discussion out of it
(LOL) you could use email. But, without an audience would it be as much
fun?

Post by John Radgosky
Ignorant ? Not likely, But I'm not all knowing either.
.
Bigoted ? I don't feel I am. I happen to see myself as one who is
open minded
about much. Maybe I'm bigoted on some details without being aware of
it.
Chances are most of us have some of that in us. Who knows for
sure ?.

Why do you need to explain and defend yourself to anyone?

Post by John Radgosky

Post by Sidney Lambe
And that ACIM is seriously flawed.

I'm sure you're not alone with that sentiment.

I know, and SO WHAT?

Post by John Radgosky
JR

[Carrie]

Post by John Radgosky

Post by Sidney Lambe
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Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna approaches
have been around for a long time, like "The Power of Positive
Thinking", and they always fail the acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative aspects of
the world because if you do you will ignore/suppress negative
aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that neutralize
each other or split your personality to one degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience?
And thus, it must apply to all?
Though, I guess if you believe it's true, than to you (and what you
see in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't give
a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or agree with
it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get anywhere.
Sid- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The one thing I do know Sid, (but keep forgetting) is the course would
urge me to ask myself, what do I want out of this ? And, is there
another
way to look at it ?
And what I am beginning to feel (as opposed to thinking about) is that
peace is
only present when I am less willful about whatever it is that is
exciting me but
still allowing me to fully participate in the world as it is. Warts
and all.
Joyfullness and all. Wonderment and all. Ugliness and all. The
duality which the
world has. Where elsewhere there is ONLY one way and it is True.
And apparantly, this can be learned, and requires practice. It is
about changing my
mind. With some guidance otherwise I might not be able to do it on my
own.

Sometimes the most peaceful way is to not try (to get along, discuss,
etc) Just accept.
There's a line about this, how we're not to try and change our brother
but accept him as he is...
"Sid" is a good teacher.

Post by John Radgosky
JR

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

On Dec 30, 9:58 pm, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
[delete]

Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna
approaches have been around for a long time, like "The
Power of Positive Thinking", and they always fail the acid
test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative
aspects of the world because if you do you will
ignore/suppress negative aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that
neutralize each other or split your personality to one
degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience? And thus,
it must apply to all? Though, I guess if you believe it's
true, than to you (and what you see in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on
to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't
give a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or
agree with it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage
sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get
anywhere.
Sid- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The one thing I do know Sid, (but keep forgetting) is the
course would urge me to ask myself, what do I want out of this
? And, is there another way to look at it ?
And what I am beginning to feel (as opposed to thinking about)
is that peace is only present when I am less willful about
whatever it is that is exciting me but still allowing me
to fully participate in the world as it is. Warts and all.
Joyfullness and all. Wonderment and all. Ugliness and all. The
duality which the world has. Where elsewhere there is ONLY one
way and it is True.
And apparantly, this can be learned, and requires practice.
It is about changing my mind. With some guidance otherwise I
might not be able to do it on my own.

Sometimes the most peaceful way is to not try (to get
along, discuss, etc) Just accept. There's a line about this,
how we're not to try and change our brother but accept him as
he is... "Sid" is a good teacher.

You are both excellent teachers. With my help you are
showing the world what complete garbage ACIM is.

Know what cracks me up?

Every goal of ACIM can be accomplished with the ancient
Pratyahara methods of the Yogis. Withdrawal of the senses.

Then you are no longer experiencing what the authors of ACIM
consider to be the worthless and degraded physical universe
and are focussed fully within your inner self.

Of course, if you maintain this state, your body will die.
But what's the problem with that? ACIM says it doesn't even
_exist_.

And furthermore, if life is so awful and phony and inferior,
why the hell did you come here?


Sid

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie

On Dec 30, 9:58 pm, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
[delete]

Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna
approaches have been around for a long time, like "The
Power of Positive Thinking", and they always fail the acid
test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative
aspects of the world because if you do you will
ignore/suppress negative aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that
neutralize each other or split your personality to one
degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience? And thus,
it must apply to all? Though, I guess if you believe it's
true, than to you (and what you see in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on
to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't
give a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or
agree with it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage
sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get
anywhere.
Sid- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The one thing I do know Sid, (but keep forgetting) is the
course would urge me to ask myself, what do I want out of this
? And, is there another way to look at it ?
And what I am beginning to feel (as opposed to thinking about)
is that peace is only present when I am less willful about
whatever it is that is exciting me but still allowing me
to fully participate in the world as it is. Warts and all.
Joyfullness and all. Wonderment and all. Ugliness and all. The
duality which the world has. Where elsewhere there is ONLY one
way and it is True.
And apparantly, this can be learned, and requires practice.
It is about changing my mind. With some guidance otherwise I
might not be able to do it on my own.

Sometimes the most peaceful way is to not try (to get
along, discuss, etc) Just accept. There's a line about this,
how we're not to try and change our brother but accept him as
he is... "Sid" is a good teacher.

You are both excellent teachers. With my help you are
showing the world what complete garbage ACIM is.
Know what cracks me up?
Every goal of ACIM can be accomplished with the ancient
Pratyahara methods of the Yogis. Withdrawal of the senses.
Then you are no longer experiencing what the authors of ACIM
consider to be the worthless and degraded physical universe
and are focussed fully within your inner self.
Of course, if you maintain this state, your body will die.
But what's the problem with that? ACIM says it doesn't even
_exist_.
And furthermore, if life is so awful and phony and inferior,
why the hell did you come here?

I think our new "discussion" (about awakening from the dream) is
touching on this.
I believe there are many paths and ACIM is just one of them. What people
see it as, and what they seem to have made it into, is just that, and not
the original book (or scribing). Maybe it's been in the world (and being
made into something by many) for so long now, it's inevitable. Like the
bible, and all that has resulted from that. So many groups (and people on
their own) believe THEY are living by what the bible says. Even if they
were, and the bible hadn't been translated, and retranslated for thousands
of years... they are all still making it into whatever they want it to be.
So they can then say they are living by it.

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No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna
approaches have been around for a long time, like "The
Power of Positive Thinking", and they always fail the
acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative
aspects of the world because if you do you will
ignore/suppress negative aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine
honestly. Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs
that neutralize each other or split your personality to
one degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience? And thus,
it must apply to all? Though, I guess if you believe it's
true, than to you (and what you see in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't
give a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or
agree with it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage
sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get
anywhere.
Sid- Hide quoted text -
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The one thing I do know Sid, (but keep forgetting) is the
course would urge me to ask myself, what do I want out of
this ? And, is there another way to look at it ?
And what I am beginning to feel (as opposed to thinking
about) is that peace is only present when I am less willful
about whatever it is that is exciting me but still allowing
me to fully participate in the world as it is. Warts and
all. Joyfullness and all. Wonderment and all. Ugliness and
all. The duality which the world has. Where elsewhere there
is ONLY one way and it is True.
And apparantly, this can be learned, and requires practice.
It is about changing my mind. With some guidance otherwise I
might not be able to do it on my own.

Sometimes the most peaceful way is to not try (to get
along, discuss, etc) Just accept. There's a line about this,
how we're not to try and change our brother but accept him as
he is... "Sid" is a good teacher.

You are both excellent teachers. With my help you are showing
the world what complete garbage ACIM is.
Know what cracks me up?
Every goal of ACIM can be accomplished with the ancient
Pratyahara methods of the Yogis. Withdrawal of the senses.
Then you are no longer experiencing what the authors of ACIM
consider to be the worthless and degraded physical universe
and are focussed fully within your inner self.
Of course, if you maintain this state, your body will die.
But what's the problem with that? ACIM says it doesn't even
_exist_.
And furthermore, if life is so awful and phony and inferior,
why the hell did you come here?

I think our new "discussion" (about awakening from the
dream) is touching on this. I believe there are many paths and
ACIM is just one of them. What people see it as, and what they
seem to have made it into, is just that, and not the original
book (or scribing). Maybe it's been in the world (and being
made into something by many) for so long now, it's inevitable.
Like the bible, and all that has resulted from that. So many
groups (and people on their own) believe THEY are living by
what the bible says. Even if they were, and the bible hadn't
been translated, and retranslated for thousands of years...
they are all still making it into whatever they want it to be.
So they can then say they are living by it.

Yeh. An old story, isn't it?

Sid

[Carrie]

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No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna
approaches have been around for a long time, like "The
Power of Positive Thinking", and they always fail the
acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative
aspects of the world because if you do you will
ignore/suppress negative aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine
honestly. Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs
that neutralize each other or split your personality to
one degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience? And thus,
it must apply to all? Though, I guess if you believe it's
true, than to you (and what you see in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't
give a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or
agree with it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage
sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get
anywhere.
Sid- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The one thing I do know Sid, (but keep forgetting) is the
course would urge me to ask myself, what do I want out of
this ? And, is there another way to look at it ?
And what I am beginning to feel (as opposed to thinking
about) is that peace is only present when I am less willful
about whatever it is that is exciting me but still allowing
me to fully participate in the world as it is. Warts and
all. Joyfullness and all. Wonderment and all. Ugliness and
all. The duality which the world has. Where elsewhere there
is ONLY one way and it is True.
And apparantly, this can be learned, and requires practice.
It is about changing my mind. With some guidance otherwise I
might not be able to do it on my own.

Sometimes the most peaceful way is to not try (to get
along, discuss, etc) Just accept. There's a line about this,
how we're not to try and change our brother but accept him as
he is... "Sid" is a good teacher.

You are both excellent teachers. With my help you are showing
the world what complete garbage ACIM is.
Know what cracks me up?
Every goal of ACIM can be accomplished with the ancient
Pratyahara methods of the Yogis. Withdrawal of the senses.
Then you are no longer experiencing what the authors of ACIM
consider to be the worthless and degraded physical universe
and are focussed fully within your inner self.
Of course, if you maintain this state, your body will die.
But what's the problem with that? ACIM says it doesn't even
_exist_.
And furthermore, if life is so awful and phony and inferior,
why the hell did you come here?

I think our new "discussion" (about awakening from the
dream) is touching on this. I believe there are many paths and
ACIM is just one of them. What people see it as, and what they
seem to have made it into, is just that, and not the original
book (or scribing). Maybe it's been in the world (and being
made into something by many) for so long now, it's inevitable.
Like the bible, and all that has resulted from that. So many
groups (and people on their own) believe THEY are living by
what the bible says. Even if they were, and the bible hadn't
been translated, and retranslated for thousands of years...
they are all still making it into whatever they want it to be.
So they can then say they are living by it.

Yeh. An old story, isn't it?

And they call it "New Age" LOL

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Sid

[John Radgosky]

Post by Sidney Lambe
You are both excellent teachers. With my help you are
showing the world what complete garbage ACIM is.

Hey Sid.

Despite my accomplishment of messing it up for as much of
the world as I can, surpisingly enough ACIM is alive and well
and gathering momentum. Isn't that funny ?

Post by Sidney Lambe
Know what cracks me up?
Every goal of ACIM can be accomplished with the ancient
Pratyahara methods of the Yogis. Withdrawal of the senses.

ACIM makes it VERY clear it is but one of MANY paths.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Then you are no longer experiencing what the authors of ACIM
consider to be the worthless and degraded physical universe
and are focussed fully within your inner self.

Sid, if the course admits I am in the world, and I have worth, and I
am but one of BILLIONS of other people just like me in that sense,
how in the world can you conclude that ACIM sees the world as
worthless. ACIM's teaching is leading to a better world, that's all.
Until time is no longer necessary, and eternity is at hand. But in
the
meantime, there is MUCH joy to find, and have and share.

And where do you think ACIM focuses ? It focuses on the alter. Each
of
us. The Inner. And teaches how to recognize THAT in EVERY one we
encounter or don't even see because they're thousands of miles away on
the planet.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Of course, if you maintain this state, your body will die.
But what's the problem with that? ACIM says it doesn't even
_exist_.

The body does exist Sid. As a teaching device, it is a NECESSARY
existence too. Until the need for it is no longer.

It's the story in the Bible. Where Jesus apparantly showed how to
transcend
the body. And where , in ACIM, it is made clear that each of us is
capable of
EVERYTHING Jesus did.

Now, I'm not a bible pounder. In fact, I'm not entirely certain about
the Jesus story
as it apparantly is, either. But, there it is.

Post by Sidney Lambe
And furthermore, if life is so awful and phony  and inferior,
why the hell did you come here?

Who's saying life is awful and phony? Or, that if it is that way, it
has to STAY that
way ? It sounds a little like you hold much opinion of the course but
no knowledge of it.

JR

[Carrie]

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Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna approaches
have been around for a long time, like "The Power of Positive
Thinking", and they always fail the acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative aspects of
the world because if you do you will ignore/suppress negative
aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that neutralize
each other or split your personality to one degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience?
And thus, it must apply to all?
Though, I guess if you believe it's true, than to you (and what
you see in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't give
a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or agree with
it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get anywhere.

For the umpthinth time... what's it to you? What does what anyone else
believes matter to you and what you believe.?
Where am I supposed to be getting? And how do you know I'm not there?
You only see me, and always will from your own perception of me. The
way you are seeing John, how you have decided and what you come from.
This started out as a topic about my mouse not working right, and now
is back to "me" and my beliefs and how I am wrong. I don't care if you
believe I am wrong. As you say, deal with it....

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Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna approaches
have been around for a long time, like "The Power of
Positive Thinking", and they always fail the acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative
aspects of the world because if you do you will
ignore/suppress negative aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that
neutralize each other or split your personality to one
degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience? And thus,
it must apply to all? Though, I guess if you believe it's
true, than to you (and what you see in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on
to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't
give a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or
agree with it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get anywhere.

For the umpthinth time... what's it to you? What does what
anyone else believes matter to you and what you believe.?

I talk about whatever I feel like talking about. Have you
ever heard of free speech?

If you don't like what I have to say, you are always welcome
to eat shit.

Big steaming piles of it, crawling with maggots.

I think you think you are going to drive me away with sophomoric
bitch attacks like this.

ACIM sure seems to produce some genuinely stupid people.

[delete]

I dumped your other post to me. It obviously contains no
intelligence either.

Sid

[Carrie]

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Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna approaches
have been around for a long time, like "The Power of
Positive Thinking", and they always fail the acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative
aspects of the world because if you do you will
ignore/suppress negative aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that
neutralize each other or split your personality to one
degree or another.

You have learned this from personal experience? And thus,
it must apply to all? Though, I guess if you believe it's
true, than to you (and what you see in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on
to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't
give a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or
agree with it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get anywhere.

For the umpthinth time... what's it to you? What does what
anyone else believes matter to you and what you believe.?

I talk about whatever I feel like talking about. Have you
ever heard of free speech?
If you don't like what I have to say, you are always welcome
to eat shit.
Big steaming piles of it, crawling with maggots.
I think you think you are going to drive me away with sophomoric
bitch attacks like this.
ACIM sure seems to produce some genuinely stupid people.
[delete]
I dumped your other post to me. It obviously contains no
intelligence either.

Yup, and same back to you.
At least we are in agreement about somet;hing.

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Sid

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I dumped your other post to me. It obviously contains no
intelligence either.

Yup, and same back to you. At least we are in agreement
about something.

:-))

Sid

[John Radgosky]

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Post by Sidney Lambe
No wonder ACIM remains an obscure cult. Pollyanna approaches
have been around for a long time, like "The Power of
Positive Thinking", and they always fail the acid test.
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative
aspects of the world because if you do you will
ignore/suppress negative aspects of yourself.
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that
neutralize each other or split your personality to one
degree or another.

   You have learned this from personal experience? And thus,
it must apply to all? Though, I guess if you believe it's
true, than to you (and what you see in others) it is true.
Not true for me, and nothing I see any value in hanging on
to.

OK. For the tenth time: Truth cannot be changed. It doesn't
give a flying fuck whether you believe in it or like it, or
agree with it or not.
Your attitude here is pure fluffy bunny airhead newage sewage.
You are deceiving yourself. That's why you don't get anywhere.

     For the umpthinth time... what's it to you? What does what
anyone else believes matter to you and what you believe.?

I talk about whatever I feel like talking about. Have you
ever heard of free speech?
If you don't like what I have to say, you are always welcome
to eat shit.
Big steaming piles of it, crawling with maggots.
I think you think you are going to drive me away with sophomoric
bitch attacks like this.
ACIM sure seems to produce some genuinely stupid people.
[delete]
I dumped your other post to me. It obviously contains no
intelligence either.
Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
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Sid,

tsk, tsk. Your lack of patience is showing. And so is your lack of
grace or civility. Compose yourself.
And at least enjoy the debate.

JR

[John Radgosky]

Post by Sidney Lambe
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative aspects of
the world because if you do you will ignore/suppress negative
aspects of yourself.

Sid,

But what if there was a total absence of ignoring / suppressing and
no
idea of "negative" presence at all in the experience ? What if the
experience
was simply one of total peace with whatever the occurance OR it's
outcome
might be. A feeling of not being affected nor needing to participate
at all, totally
free of any judgement at all, free of any thought of good or bad ?
Then what
would you have to say about it ?

That was more the feeling. It's impossible to describe. I've never
experienced anything like it before, as far as I can recall.

What struck me most was a realization that I was unaffected and
totally
at peace with it. No ideas whirring quickly around inside my head.

Post by Sidney Lambe
You cannot heal what you do not face and examine honestly.
Otherwise you end up with conflicting beliefs that neutralize
each other or split your personality to one degree or another.

The course's perspective on that, as far as I can discern, is that
all healing can ONLY occur in the mind. Nothing needs to be faced
or examined. There is a truth, universal, and a change of mind, of
thought, is where all healing takes place.

Further, soul is already perfect. And body is a learning device. So,
what's left to face up to ? My own behaviour ? Someone elses
behaviour ?
Not according to the course as far as I understand it.

It's all about mind, the idea about what is meant by true and
permanent healing. And if the mind
is focused on only Truth, how CAN there be ANY conflict ? It's just
not
possible. So that option is eliminated as being impossible.

JR

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, John Radgosky

On Dec 30, 9:28=A0pm, Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe
This is because you _cannot_ ignore/suppress negative aspects
of the world because if you do you will ignore/suppress
negative aspects of yourself.

Sid,
But what if there was a total absence of ignoring / suppressing
and no idea of "negative" presence at all in the experience
? What if the experience was simply one of total peace with
whatever the occurance OR it's outcome might be. A feeling of
not being affected nor needing to participate at all, totally
free of any judgement at all, free of any thought of good or
bad ? Then what would you have to say about it ?

That you were a vegetable and shouldn't be allowed outside of
the house without an escort.

The nihilism of ACIM is bottomless. Now they are trying to tell
us that we shouldn't have any emotions out of the fantastic
rainbow of emotions that GOD has given us except some fluffy
bunny airhead notion of what an evolved being is like.

They deliberately ignore little things like The Prince of Peace
raging through the temple with a whip.

And they are trying to kill empathy: If you can't feel what
others are feeling you can't help them. You can't know them.

All you can do is sit on your useless ass and feel superior.

[delete]

Sid

[John Radgosky]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by John Radgosky
But what if there was a total absence of ignoring / suppressing
and no idea of "negative" presence at all in the experience
? What if the experience was simply one of total peace with
whatever the occurance OR it's outcome might be. A feeling of
not being affected nor needing to participate at all, totally
free of any judgement at all, free of any thought of good or
bad ? Then what would you have to say about it ?

That you were a vegetable and shouldn't be allowed outside of
the house without an escort.

hahaha ... that's funny. I looked in the paper to see where I could
find an escort. I was surprised by how many there are.

Post by Sidney Lambe
The nihilism of ACIM is bottomless. Now they are trying to tell
us that we shouldn't have any emotions out of the fantastic
rainbow of emotions that GOD has given us except some fluffy
bunny airhead notion of what an evolved being is like.

It's odd that the emotion of feeling peaceful is such a pleasant
experience. While some of the emotion of which you speak is far
from pleasant. And as for nihilism ? I suppose if that is what you
think then that is exactly what you will believe. Until one learns
to think another way. How could eternity be nihilism?. Eternity is
so far removed from nihilism there is no connection whatsoever.

Post by Sidney Lambe
They deliberately ignore little things like The Prince of Peace
raging through the temple with a whip.

Yes, that is often asked about by students and non students alike.

Jesus experienced the world as it is. There is a time for appropriate
rage. Until eternity, where the need for time no longer exists.

Post by Sidney Lambe
And they are trying to kill empathy: If you can't feel what
others are feeling you can't help them. You can't know them.

That's the other odd (interesting) part of the experience. I fully
empathized with
each who involved themselves in the "war". I just didn't
participate.
Nor did I feel compelled to, or wanted to. It was the oddest
sensation.
That's why I wrote about it. It was NOT typical for me.

And ACIM teaches a thought system that does nothing BUT help one's
self
and by doing that, help others. It's a love story, not a murder
mystery.

Post by Sidney Lambe
All you can do is sit on your useless ass and feel superior.

Not true Sid. In the example discussed, these are people whom I
appreciate and with whom
I associate. We do business together, and some of us socialize too.
Any play of superiority couldn't
survive in such an environment. I have to ask you to just take my
word on that.

[John Radgosky]

   I have been noticing this about myself, too. In various situations. And
my first reaction is usually to "combust" and react from this. I'm still
sometimes tempted to, but if I can just wait a bit and let it go, it just
goes.
    I'm glad you shared this, John because it might be showing that the
overall feeling of the Sonship (believing they are in separated form) is
shifting enough to be noticable by more.  And, when *I* choose to "see Peace
instead of this" and let it go (forgive, even though there's nothing to
really forgive) it shifts the overall dynamics in some way. Even if it might
not be immediately noticable, and others might not be aware of it at all. In
the long run it changes things in a good way.- Hide quoted text -

What was "stange" and "unfamiliar" to me with this experience of today
is
that it came totally naturally. I didn't have to "wait" , or
consciously "choose"
to react in any particular way. It was just an immediate reaction.
Which was NO
reaction and yet somehow , it was. The outcome did NOT matter. And I
did not
feel compelled in any way to have to voice any opinion, or make any
choides.
And, it was noticeable to me. Not like me at all. Most odd.

I hope I have more experiences like that again. It felt really good
to not react one way
or another.

JR

[Carrie]

Post by John Radgosky

Post by Carrie
I have been noticing this about myself, too. In various situations. And
my first reaction is usually to "combust" and react from this. I'm
still sometimes tempted to, but if I can just wait a bit and let it
go, it just goes.
I'm glad you shared this, John because it might be showing that the
overall feeling of the Sonship (believing they are in separated
form) is shifting enough to be noticable by more. And, when *I*
choose to "see Peace instead of this" and let it go (forgive, even
though there's nothing to really forgive) it shifts the overall
dynamics in some way. Even if it might not be immediately noticable,
and others might not be aware of it at all. In the long run it
changes things in a good way.- Hide quoted text -

What was "stange" and "unfamiliar" to me with this experience of today
is
that it came totally naturally. I didn't have to "wait" , or
consciously "choose"
to react in any particular way. It was just an immediate reaction.
Which was NO
reaction and yet somehow , it was. The outcome did NOT matter. And I
did not
feel compelled in any way to have to voice any opinion, or make any
choides.
And, it was noticeable to me. Not like me at all. Most odd.
I hope I have more experiences like that again. It felt really good
to not react one way
or another.

I know, I have had the same thing happen. Wayne Dyer talks about this
and says to be the "silent observer". Let it all go on around you, unless
there is clearly something one can do, and is guided to do.
ACIM says gratitude is the only response we should have for our
teachers, and I have found some really good ones on this newsgroup.
The fact that it took me so long to "get it" isn't because of their
lack of trying.
That settled, seems like we really could "discuss" topics of
interest, and not be distracted and get off course about it.

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JR

[Sidney Lambe]

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Post by Carrie
I have been noticing this about myself, too. In various
situations. And my first reaction is usually to "combust"
and react from this. I'm still sometimes tempted to, but
if I can just wait a bit and let it go, it just goes. I'm
glad you shared this, John because it might be showing that
the overall feeling of the Sonship (believing they are in
separated form) is shifting enough to be noticable by more.
And, when *I* choose to "see Peace instead of this" and
let it go (forgive, even though there's nothing to really
forgive) it shifts the overall dynamics in some way. Even if
it might not be immediately noticable, and others might not
be aware of it at all. In the long run it changes things in a
good way.- Hide quoted text -

What was "stange" and "unfamiliar" to me with this experience
of today is that it came totally naturally. I didn't have to
"wait" , or consciously "choose" to react in any particular
way. It was just an immediate reaction. Which was NO reaction
and yet somehow , it was. The outcome did NOT matter. And
I did not feel compelled in any way to have to voice any
opinion, or make any choides. And, it was noticeable to me.
Not like me at all. Most odd.
I hope I have more experiences like that again. It felt really
good to not react one way or another.

I know, I have had the same thing happen.

So ACIM says that being a vegetable is a good thing.

[delete]

Sid

[Carrie]

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Post by Carrie

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Post by Carrie
I have been noticing this about myself, too. In various
situations. And my first reaction is usually to "combust"
and react from this. I'm still sometimes tempted to, but
if I can just wait a bit and let it go, it just goes. I'm
glad you shared this, John because it might be showing that
the overall feeling of the Sonship (believing they are in
separated form) is shifting enough to be noticable by more.
And, when *I* choose to "see Peace instead of this" and
let it go (forgive, even though there's nothing to really
forgive) it shifts the overall dynamics in some way. Even if
it might not be immediately noticable, and others might not
be aware of it at all. In the long run it changes things in a
good way.- Hide quoted text -

What was "stange" and "unfamiliar" to me with this experience
of today is that it came totally naturally. I didn't have to
"wait" , or consciously "choose" to react in any particular
way. It was just an immediate reaction. Which was NO reaction
and yet somehow , it was. The outcome did NOT matter. And
I did not feel compelled in any way to have to voice any
opinion, or make any choides. And, it was noticeable to me.
Not like me at all. Most odd.
I hope I have more experiences like that again. It felt really
good to not react one way or another.

I know, I have had the same thing happen.

So ACIM says that being a vegetable is a good thing.

The Peace of God. Detachment from ego issues that we can get drawn
into, and don't really mean anything or matter, in the overall scheme of
things.
"In the world but not of it" (in the crazy, petty, does this really
matter? way)
Nothing new, just new way of putting it.

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I have been noticing this about myself, too. In various
situations. And my first reaction is usually to "combust"
and react from this. I'm still sometimes tempted to, but
if I can just wait a bit and let it go, it just goes. I'm
glad you shared this, John because it might be showing that
the overall feeling of the Sonship (believing they are
in separated form) is shifting enough to be noticable by
more. And, when *I* choose to "see Peace instead of this"
and let it go (forgive, even though there's nothing to
really forgive) it shifts the overall dynamics in some way.
Even if it might not be immediately noticable, and others
might not be aware of it at all. In the long run it changes
things in a good way.- Hide quoted text -

What was "stange" and "unfamiliar" to me with this
experience of today is that it came totally naturally. I
didn't have to "wait" , or consciously "choose" to react
in any particular way. It was just an immediate reaction.
Which was NO reaction and yet somehow , it was. The outcome
did NOT matter. And I did not feel compelled in any way to
have to voice any opinion, or make any choides. And, it was
noticeable to me. Not like me at all. Most odd.
I hope I have more experiences like that again. It felt
really good to not react one way or another.

I know, I have had the same thing happen.

So ACIM says that being a vegetable is a good thing.

The Peace of God. Detachment from ego issues that we can
get drawn into, and don't really mean anything or matter, in
the overall scheme of things. "In the world but not of it" (in
the crazy, petty, does this really matter? way) Nothing new,
just new way of putting it.

More nihilism. You are not supposed to go to all the trouble
of creating this world and then deny it.

"Detachment" and the like are to be used, occasionally, as
tools. They are not to be used for escape.

Sid

[Carrie]

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Post by Carrie
I have been noticing this about myself, too. In various
situations. And my first reaction is usually to "combust"
and react from this. I'm still sometimes tempted to, but
if I can just wait a bit and let it go, it just goes. I'm
glad you shared this, John because it might be showing that
the overall feeling of the Sonship (believing they are
in separated form) is shifting enough to be noticable by
more. And, when *I* choose to "see Peace instead of this"
and let it go (forgive, even though there's nothing to
really forgive) it shifts the overall dynamics in some way.
Even if it might not be immediately noticable, and others
might not be aware of it at all. In the long run it changes
things in a good way.- Hide quoted text -

What was "stange" and "unfamiliar" to me with this
experience of today is that it came totally naturally. I
didn't have to "wait" , or consciously "choose" to react
in any particular way. It was just an immediate reaction.
Which was NO reaction and yet somehow , it was. The outcome
did NOT matter. And I did not feel compelled in any way to
have to voice any opinion, or make any choides. And, it was
noticeable to me. Not like me at all. Most odd.
I hope I have more experiences like that again. It felt
really good to not react one way or another.

I know, I have had the same thing happen.

So ACIM says that being a vegetable is a good thing.

The Peace of God. Detachment from ego issues that we can
get drawn into, and don't really mean anything or matter, in
the overall scheme of things. "In the world but not of it" (in
the crazy, petty, does this really matter? way) Nothing new,
just new way of putting it.

More nihilism. You are not supposed to go to all the trouble
of creating this world and then deny it.
"Detachment" and the like are to be used, occasionally, as
tools. They are not to be used for escape.

Who says this? Besides you...
At any given time something that could be seen as terrible is
happening. Say, someone is being beaten or murdered.
At the same time, something not so terrible is happening, a small
child takes a few steps alone, and claps it's hands and laughs in joy.
Somewhere it's storming, maybe cold and snowy. Somewhere else the
sun is out and it's warm and sunny.
I always have the choice in what I give attention to, and create
more of in my life. Not to say I wouldn't jump in and try and stop if
someone was being beaten/murdered because I would, without a 2nd thought.
But, for the sake of the example, let's say it's happening and nothing I
can do about it.
I can choose thoughts and feelings that feel good to me and
align with joy. Add more joy to the world, in a minute, overall way.
The Hundredth Monkey- butterfly effect.
You can give attention to, and create more in your life of
things you don't want but think are "the truth" but doesn't mean everyone
else has to, and be miserable about it with you.
Yup, fluffy bunny, bliss ninny and happy to be this way. As
much as possible. The pull back into the world of illusion (and out of joy)
is strong enough as it is. Those who focus on "what is" (even if it's
miserable and depressing) and problems, don't seem to like it if they can't
get everyone else around them (or they might think they know on a computer
screen) to join them in it.
You make your choices and I make mine and you might think you
are right and I am wrong, but that's still just a choice you make.

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Sid

[John Radgosky]

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So ACIM says that being a vegetable is a good thing.

To all you carrots, cucumbers, heads of lettuce and brussel sprouts
out
there, chill. ACIM thinks you're terrific.

That's just Sid being Sid, and ... silly.

JR

[Carrie]

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Post by Sidney Lambe
So ACIM says that being a vegetable is a good thing.

To all you carrots, cucumbers, heads of lettuce and brussel sprouts
out
there, chill. ACIM thinks you're terrific.
That's just Sid being Sid, and ... silly.

ACIM (a book) thinks?

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JR