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PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT VENGEANCE AND HELL ARE ACTUALLY OUT OF THEIR MINDS
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course zealot
2019-12-13 02:11:49 UTC
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Ebola and Leprosy are the likes of what we deal with, and murderers and capital
criminals make us desperate men. If somebody killed your spouse and child and cut
off your hand, and wasn't sorry, would you just blow them away or want to? And if
they were sorry would it make any difference? And if you were driving along a
windy dark road, and hit an icy patch and went off the road and your spouse and
child died, and you lost your hand, and there was nobody to blame, and it was
nobody's fault, how would that compare?

While we have a right to fight for freedom, and self-defense, Vengeance = blood
atonement

No one deserves hell, and no one deserves punishment. No one deserves poverty,
and no one deserves prison. No one deserves handicap or sickness at all. But
what everyone deserves is freedom from injustice, and possibly recompenses.
Victimizer deserve to repent and go and sin no more. Every Saint has a past.
Every sinner has a future. Two wrongs don't make a right. Or else three do.

I don't know what you think, but I don't care if I've killed 150 million people.
Do you want to reconcile, or do you want me to kill 150 million more.

_I love me_. If you don't love me, I hate you.


So granted you have to turn that around, someone's killed off half my society, I'm
the President because I'm all that's left. So they've killed 150 million, they've
raped, murdered, burned innocent men, women, children, alive, committed every
horror known in a horror movie, on video. Maybe you think you have the upper
hand, maybe you think they do. You ask them, well are you going to live next door
to me, or far away, they go I don't know. What are you going to do?

Do you want to reconcile, or do you want them to kill 150 million more?

For the sake of blood atonement do you demand vengeance. Do you think one more
wrong will make a right? So their lie won't persist, whether or not they're
repentant?

Doesn't the Bible say "leave vengeance to God?" While the governments and the
rogues of the world say "leave vengeance to me."

And what if there's no hell? Most people don't believe in it anyway. If you do,
maybe you'll go there. Some Muslims who killed near 3,000 on 911 believed they
would each get 77 virgins or some such thing.

Didn't you hear the part about "Jesus died for our sins?" That doesn't justify
sin. But it _does_ absolve us all from punishment. "and we can see. And we can
see!" - A Course in Miracles

If Christ can raise the dead. Then you have hope of salvation. And if he can't,
then why do you believe in condemnation of any form?

The same Spirit who raised Christ Jesus from the dead dwells in you:

"And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who
raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His
Spirit who dwells in you."
- Paul the Apostle, Romans 8:11, Holy Bible, New Testament

If the same Spirit who raised Christ Jesus from the dead dwells in you, then to
screw you would be to screw that Spirit. And so it is.

So you might as well screw yourself. What you're doing to others you're doing to
yourself in many ways on many levels:

"Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My
Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for
I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a
stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you
visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and
feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take
You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and
come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you,
inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to
Me.’" - Jesus Christ, Matt 25:34-40

"God wills no one suffer. He does not will anyone to suffer for a wrong decision,
including you."
- A Course in Miracles, Chapter 8, Section 3

"I will with God that none of His Sons should suffer."
- Jesus Christ, A Course in Miracles, Chapter 6, Section 1


Paul the Apostle:
"But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose
minds the god of this age (Satan) has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light
of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them."


"[God] made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but
of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so
that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because
of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness
exceeds much more in glory.
For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory
that excels.
For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech- unlike Moses,
who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look
steadily at the end of what was passing away.
But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in
the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord,
are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the
Spirit of the Lord.

Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose
heart.
But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor
handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending
ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."

"And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I
believed and therefore I spoke," {Psalm 116:10} we also believe and therefore
speak - "

"For all things are for your sakes, that grace, having spread through the many,
may cause thanksgiving to abound to the glory of God."

"Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ,
and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing
their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us:
we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God."

- Paul the Apostle, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 3:6-4:2, 4:13, 4:15 5:18-20
course zealot
2019-12-13 02:12:34 UTC
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There are many hells, and infinite heavens, and many many, many many, places in
between, perhaps such as the world, though the world is neutral and what you make
it. As are heaven and hell neutral, as all the many worlds are within you.

No one deserves hell, and no one deserves punishment. No one deserves poverty,
and no one deserves prison. No one deserves handicap or sickness at all. But
what everyone deserves is freedom from injustice, and possibly recompenses.
Victimizer deserve to repent and go and sin no more. Every Saint has a past.
Every sinner has a future. Two wrongs don't make a right. Or else three do.

"The Holy Spirit teaches thus: There is no hell. Hell is only what the ego has
made of the present. The belief in hell is what prevents you from understanding
the present, because you are afraid of it. The Holy Spirit leads as steadily to
Heaven as the ego drives to hell. For the Holy Spirit, Who knows only the
present, uses it to undo the fear by which the ego would make the present useless.
There is no escape from fear in the ego's use of time. For time, according to
its teaching, is nothing but a teaching device for compounding guilt until it
becomes all-encompassing, demanding vengeance forever.

The Holy Spirit would undo all of this now. Fear is not of the present, but only
of the past and future, which do not exist. There is no fear in the present when
each instant stands clear and separated from the past, without its shadow reaching
out into the future. Each instant is a clean, untarnished birth, in which the Son
of God emerges from the past into the present. And the present extends forever.
It is so beautiful and so clean and free of guilt that nothing but happiness is
there. No darkness is remembered, and immortality and joy are now.

This lesson takes no time. For what is time without a past and future? It has
taken time to misguide you so completely, but it takes no time at all to be what
you are. Begin to practice the Holy Spirit's use of time as a teaching aid to
happiness and peace. Take this very instant, now, and think of it as all there is
of time. Nothing can reach you here out of the past, and it is here that you are
completely absolved, completely free and wholly without condemnation. From this
holy instant wherein holiness was born again you will go forth in time without
fear, and with no sense of change with time.

Time is inconceivable without change, yet holiness does not change. Learn from
this instant more than merely that hell does not exist. In this redeeming instant
lies Heaven. And Heaven will not change, for the birth into the holy present is
salvation from change. Change is an illusion, taught by those who cannot see
themselves as guiltless. There is no change in Heaven because there is no change
in God. In the holy instant, in which you see yourself as bright with freedom,
you will remember God. For remembering Him *is* to remember freedom."
- A Course in Miracles, Chapter 15, Section 1

From instant to instant we can measure change, and thus movement, but:

"Whenever we move from one instant to the next, the previous one no longer exists."
- A Course in Miracles, Urtext, Unedited Edition, pp. 78

But,

"The moment is forever,"
- Childlike Empress, The Neverending Story, p. 98

"If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And
if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to
you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”
- Jesus Christ, Luke 17:3-4, Holy Bible, New Testament, NKJV

There is forgiveness for the repentant.

If satan presides over hell, he must be a sadist. Therefore sadism is satanism
too. Some people in our world try to depress depression with pills. Others in
our world try to restrict our freedom as of right.

Others in our world recognize our happiness and freedom as of right. I do.


"I am entitled to miracles"
- A Course in Miracles, Workbook, Lesson 77

"My happiness and my function are one."
- A Course in Miracles, Workbook, Lesson 66

"God, being Love, is also happiness."
- A Course in Miracles, Workbook, Lesson 103

vengeance = blood atonement...

Truly evil and unintelligence must go hand in hand.


"God wills no one suffer. He does not will anyone to suffer for a wrong decision,
including you."
- A Course in Miracles, Chapter 8, Section 3

"I will with God that none of His Sons should suffer."
- Jesus Christ, A Course in Miracles, Chapter 6, Section 1

What is hell ultimately, but really bad feelings, and having to live with people
you don't want to; and prison.


"The mind can make the belief in separation very real and very fearful, and this
belief is the "devil. "It is powerful, active, destructive and clearly in
opposition to God, because it literally denies His Fatherhood. Look at your life
and see what the devil has made. But realize that this making will surely
dissolve in the light of truth, because its foundation is a lie. Your creation by
God is the only Foundation that cannot be shaken, because the light is in it."
- A Course in Miracles, Chapter 3, Section 7
course zealot
2019-12-13 02:13:19 UTC
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Is that the person whom you jacked wants to jack you back possibly.

Some servant of hell perhaps.

And what do you care. You're with you, and you defend you. (if you can't
reconcile or make enriching recompenses to them)

And what do they care? If they jacked you, you're going to get them huh?

If they keep choosing you, maybe you'll defend yourself. But otherwise? So you
don't merely pursue them to the grave, if from beyond the grave; you pursue them
beyond the grave? You're a torturer? You think you'll make yourself happier? I
think Satan has a place for you among the people with black eyes. I think you'll
leave one day, very upset. I don't think you're being sane. And I think you're
interested in self harm. So is every cop and court in this land.

No one deserves punishment. But everyone deserves freedom from injustice. Victims
perhaps deserve recompenses.


"The mind can make the belief in separation very real and very fearful, and this
belief is the "devil. "It is powerful, active, destructive and clearly in
opposition to God, because it literally denies His Fatherhood. Look at your life
and see what the devil has made. But realize that this making will surely
dissolve in the light of truth, because its foundation is a lie. Your creation by
God is the only Foundation that cannot be shaken, because the light is in it."
- A Course in Miracles, Chapter 3, Section 7
course zealot
2019-12-16 09:48:52 UTC
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Post by course zealot
Ebola and Leprosy are the likes of what we deal with, and murderers and capital
criminals make us desperate men. If somebody killed your spouse and child and cut
off your hand, and wasn't sorry, would you just blow them away or want to? And if
they were sorry would it make any difference? And if you were driving along a
windy dark road, and hit an icy patch and went off the road and your spouse and
child died, and you lost your hand, and there was nobody to blame, and it was
nobody's fault, how would that compare?
While we have a right to fight for freedom, and self-defense, Vengeance = blood
atonement
No one deserves hell, and no one deserves punishment. No one deserves poverty,
and no one deserves prison. No one deserves handicap or sickness at all. But
what everyone deserves is freedom from injustice, and possibly recompenses.
Victimizer deserve to repent and go and sin no more. Every Saint has a past.
Every sinner has a future. Two wrongs don't make a right. Or else three do.
I don't know what you think, but I don't care if I've killed 150 million people.
Do you want to reconcile, or do you want me to kill 150 million more.
_I love me_. If you don't love me, I hate you.
So granted you have to turn that around, someone's killed off half my society, I'm
the President because I'm all that's left. So they've killed 150 million, they've
raped, murdered, burned innocent men, women, children, alive, committed every
horror known in a horror movie, on video. Maybe you think you have the upper
hand, maybe you think they do. You ask them, well are you going to live next door
to me, or far away, they go I don't know. What are you going to do?
Do you want to reconcile, or do you want them to kill 150 million more?
For the sake of blood atonement do you demand vengeance. Do you think one more
wrong will make a right? So their lie won't persist, whether or not they're
repentant?
Doesn't the Bible say "leave vengeance to God?" While the governments and the
rogues of the world say "leave vengeance to me."
And what if there's no hell? Most people don't believe in it anyway. If you do,
maybe you'll go there. Some Muslims who killed near 3,000 on 911 believed they
would each get 77 virgins or some such thing.
Didn't you hear the part about "Jesus died for our sins?" That doesn't justify
sin. But it _does_ absolve us all from punishment. "and we can see. And we can
see!" - A Course in Miracles
If Christ can raise the dead. Then you have hope of salvation. And if he can't,
then why do you believe in condemnation of any form?
"And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who
raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His
Spirit who dwells in you."
- Paul the Apostle, Romans 8:11, Holy Bible, New Testament
If the same Spirit who raised Christ Jesus from the dead dwells in you, then to
screw you would be to screw that Spirit. And so it is.
So you might as well screw yourself. What you're doing to others you're doing to
"Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My
Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for
I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a
stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you
visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and
feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take
You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and
come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you,
inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to
Me.’" - Jesus Christ, Matt 25:34-40
"God wills no one suffer. He does not will anyone to suffer for a wrong decision,
including you."
- A Course in Miracles, Chapter 8, Section 3
"I will with God that none of His Sons should suffer."
- Jesus Christ, A Course in Miracles, Chapter 6, Section 1
"But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose
minds the god of this age (Satan) has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light
of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them."
"[God] made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but
of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so
that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because
of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness
exceeds much more in glory.
For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory
that excels.
For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech- unlike Moses,
who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look
steadily at the end of what was passing away.
But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in
the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord,
are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the
Spirit of the Lord.
Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose
heart.
But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor
handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending
ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."
"And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I
believed and therefore I spoke," {Psalm 116:10} we also believe and therefore
speak - "
"For all things are for your sakes, that grace, having spread through the many,
may cause thanksgiving to abound to the glory of God."
"Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ,
and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing
their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God."
- Paul the Apostle, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 3:6-4:2, 4:13, 4:15 5:18-20
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