Having The Form Of Knowledge And Truth In The Law

[Voter]

Note: circumcision is used here, below, as an analogy to the law; as the law may
be said to "circumscribe" our activities.

The Epistle of Paul the Apostle, a servant of Jesus Christ, to the Romans:

Romans 2
"17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God,
18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed
out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a
light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of
babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who
teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not
steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit
adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in
the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is
blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.

Circumcision of No Avail

25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a
breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 Therefore, if
an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his
uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically
uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code,
and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one
outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a
Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not
in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God."

- Paul the Apostle, Romans 2:17-29, Holy Bible, New Testament, NKJV


Note, Paul was against circumcision, as cited below:


Galatians 5
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not
be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you
become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every
man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have
become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have
fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of
righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor
uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love."

You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?

For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; ... through love serve one
another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love
your neighbor as yourself.”

I say then: Walk in the Spirit,
For if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law."

- Paul the Apostle, Galatians 5:1-7,13,14,16a,18,22-23, Holy Bible, New Testament

[Voter]

"Freed from the Law

But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by,
so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the
letter.

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would
not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known
covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, taking
opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For
apart from the law sin was dead. I was alive once without the law, but when the
commandment came, sin revived and I died. And the commandment, which was to bring
life, I found to bring death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment,
deceived me, and by it killed me. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment
holy and just and good."
- Paul the Apostle, Romans 7:6-12 Holy Bible, New Testament, NKJV


"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, ...
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of
sin and death.

For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by
sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He
condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be
fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."
- Paul the Apostle, Romans 8:1-4 Holy Bible, New Testament, NKJV


"What then?
Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?
Certainly not!"

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ
Jesus our Lord."
- Paul the Apostle, Romans 6:15,23 Holy Bible, New Testament, NKJV

[Voter]

"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments
are not burdensome.
And this is His commandment: that we should... love one another"
- St. John the Divine, 1 John 5:3, 3:23, Holy Bible, New Testament, NKJV

[Voter]

Note: while not everything Paul said was necessarily absolutely accurate, he
certainly said many good things which prove that he's a Saint.

It's just if you corroborate what Paul says, or if he corroborates what you say.

For instance, he said the head of every man is Christ, and the head of every woman
is a man (1 Corinthians 11:3). I say the head of every individual is the Truth.

It's obvious females are now priests, outside of the Roman Catholic Church.

Would you imagine a woman never has anything intelligent, truthful, or holy, to say?

[tesla sTinker]

http://www.truecarpentry.org/tccwww/cathwww/dogma/catholicbooks/HolyBible/NewTestament/Romans.htm#chpt2

try again. no such thing as a woman priest. And if anyone think
there is, and that there is a sacrament from such a one, they are only
fooling themselves. Try reading the real Bible. Since you think you
have knowledge.

Post by Voter
Note: circumcision is used here, below, as an analogy to the law; as the
law may be said to "circumscribe" our activities.
Romans 2
"17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your
boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are
excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that
you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in
darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having
the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach
another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not
steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you
commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who
make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the
law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of
you,” as it is written.
Circumcision of No Avail
25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you
are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements
of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27
And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge
you who, even with your written code, and circumcision, are a
transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly,
nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a
Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the
Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God."
- Paul the Apostle, Romans 2:17-29, Holy Bible, New Testament, NKJV
Galatians 5
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,
and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul,
say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you
nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that
he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from
Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from
grace. For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of
righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor
uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love."
You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; ... through love serve
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
I say then: Walk in the Spirit,
For if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is
no law."
- Paul the Apostle, Galatians 5:1-7,13,14,16a,18,22-23, Holy Bible, New Testament

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Post by tesla sTinker
http://www.truecarpentry.org/tccwww/cathwww/dogma/catholicbooks/HolyBible/NewTestament/Romans.htm#chpt2
try again. no such thing as a woman priest.

THANK GOD, since it is the Priests
[who have form but not power (2 Timothy 3)]
that have always killed the Prophets:

MATTHEW 23
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for you build the tombs of the prophets,
and you decorate the graves of the righteous;
And you say, If we had been living in the days of our forefathers,
we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Now you testify concerning yourselves, that you are the children of those who
killed the prophets. You also fill up the measure of your fathers.
O you serpents, and seed of scorpions!
how can you flee from the judgment of hell?
Because of this, I am sending to you prophets and wise men and scribes;
some of them you will kill and crucify;
and some you will scourge in your synagogues,
and pursue them from city to city;
So that all the blood of the righteous shed on the ground
may come on you, from the blood of Abel the righteous down to
the blood of Zachariah, son of Barachiah, whom you killed between
the temple and the altar [because he supported the Essenes].
Truly I say to you, All of these things shall come upon this generation.
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, murderess of the prophets,
and stoner of those who are sent to her!
how often I wanted to gather together your children,
just as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings,
and yet you would not!

ACTS 7
O you stubborn and insincere in heart and hearing,
you always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers did,
so do you. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted
and murdered? Especially have they slain those who foretold
the coming of the Righteous One whom you betrayed and murdered.
You received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Post by tesla sTinker
And if anyone think
there is, and that there is a sacrament from such a one, they are only
fooling themselves. Try reading the real Bible. Since you think you
have knowledge.

Post by Voter
Note: circumcision is used here, below, as an analogy to the law; as the
law may be said to "circumscribe" our activities.
Romans 2
"17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your
boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are
excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that
you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in
darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having
the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach
another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not
steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you
commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who
make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the
law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of
you,” as it is written.
Circumcision of No Avail
25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you
are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements
of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27
And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge
you who, even with your written code, and circumcision, are a
transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly,
nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a
Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the
Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God."
- Paul the Apostle, Romans 2:17-29, Holy Bible, New Testament, NKJV
Galatians 5
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,
and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul,
say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you
nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that
he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from
Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from
grace. For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of
righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor
uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love."
You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; ... through love serve
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
I say then: Walk in the Spirit,
For if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is
no law."
- Paul the Apostle, Galatians 5:1-7,13,14,16a,18,22-23, Holy Bible, New Testament