Dr Roger Walsh on The Perennial Wisdom of A Course in Miracles

[Lee]

Hey guys,

I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.

Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.

http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html

The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.

~ Lee

Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
A Course in Miracles:

Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[deb]

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

Thanks Lee, I enjoyed the article. I like how he incorporates the
four yogas.

[Lee]

Post by deb

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

Thanks Lee, I enjoyed the article. I like how he incorporates the
four yogas.

Welcome Debra. You may then enjoy the other
diverse articles by Walsh and Solcon:

Beware the Dual Nondual - Walsh
http://www.acim.name/DualNondual.html

ACIM and Buddhist Practice - Solcon
(Solcon studied Tibetan Dzogchen Buddhism)
http://www.acim.name/CourseandBuddhism.html

~ Lee

[Lee]

Post by Lee

Post by deb

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

Thanks Lee, I enjoyed the article. I like how he incorporates the
four yogas.

Welcome Debra. You may then enjoy the other
Beware the Dual Nondual - Walsh
http://www.acim.name/DualNondual.html
ACIM and Buddhist Practice - Solcon
(Solcon studied Tibetan Dzogchen Buddhism)
http://www.acim.name/CourseandBuddhism.html
~ Lee

This one is also excellent:

EVALUATING THE COURSE - Walsh
http://www.acim.name/AssessingTheCourse.html

[Lee]

Post by Lee

Post by Lee

Post by deb

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

Thanks Lee, I enjoyed the article. I like how he incorporates the
four yogas.

Welcome Debra. You may then enjoy the other
Beware the Dual Nondual - Walsh
http://www.acim.name/DualNondual.html
ACIM and Buddhist Practice - Solcon
(Solcon studied Tibetan Dzogchen Buddhism)
http://www.acim.name/CourseandBuddhism.html
~ Lee

EVALUATING THE COURSE - Walsh
http://www.acim.name/AssessingTheCourse.html

From that article:

".... So what then is A Course In Miracles? From one perspective
it is simply a set of curiously titled books. From another, it
is a spiritual discipline comprising a systematic thought system
and set of practices that claims to offer an effective and
sufficient path to awakening.

This is obviously quite a claim! In fact it may be one of the
most remarkable claims one can make: to claim to provide a
discipline capable of guiding practitioners to the ultimate goal
of life and of the world’s great religions: the goal of
enlightenment, liberation, moksha, wu, fana, ruah-qodesh,
atonement, satori or salvation.

Assessing the Course

This raises an obvious question: how can we assess this claim?
The easiest approach would be to simply ask practitioners.
However, this is hardly a valid or reliable method. After all,
a glance at any newspaper or history book makes painfully clear
that there is hardly any philosophical foolishness or spiritual
stupidity which does not appeal to some people, and sometimes to
large numbers of people.

So how can we accurately assess the Course’s value and validity,
authenticity and effectiveness, legitimacy and liabilities?
These are questions that will probably consume practitioners,
scholars and researchers for decades. But what about those of
us who would like some answers, even if only preliminary and
provisional, right now?

One approach is to compare the Course’s practices and thought
system to those of the time honored great spiritual traditions,
and especially to their common core of practices and wisdom.
For example, looking at the Course’s practices, we might ask,
“to what extent do they contain the central and essential
practices common to the world’s great spiritual traditions?”

There seem to be seven practices that each of the world’s great
religious traditions assume to be central and essential for
anyone who would awaken to their true nature and highest
potential.1 These practices are:

1. Redirecting motivation away from egocentric material
cravings towards altruistic, transpersonal and transcendent
goals.

2 Transforming emotions. This includes two components:
reducing painful, destructive emotions such as fear, hatred and
jealousy; while cultivating positive, beneficial emotions such
as love, compassion and joy.

3. Fostering an ethical lifestyle.

4. Calming and concentrating the mind.

5. Refining awareness and developing sacred vision.

6. Cultivating wisdom.

7. Practicing service and generosity.

One simple measure of a tradition may therefore be suggested by
the number of these practices that it contains. For example, in
its initial form Confucianism offered a wonderful teaching
emphasizing ethics, wisdom and service. However, it lacked
other practices, such as for concentrating and calming the mind,
and therefore constituted an extremely valuable way of life, but
not yet a fully effective spiritual discipline. Centuries
later, when it merged with Taoism and Buddhism to create
neoConfucianism, a full and authentic spiritual tradition of
enormous value and influence was created.

How then does A Course In Miracles measure up on these seven
practices? In short, it seems to embody them all: .... "

[Jasmine]

Post by Lee

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

Thanks Lee, I enjoyed the article.  I like how he incorporates the
four yogas.

Welcome Debra. You may then enjoy the other
Beware the Dual Nondual - Walshhttp://www.acim.name/DualNondual.html
ACIM and Buddhist Practice - Solcon
(Solcon studied Tibetan Dzogchen Buddhism)http://www.acim.name/CourseandBuddhism.html
~ Lee

he had me at "stoicism"

thanks for passing this on!

[Lee]

Post by Jasmine

Post by Lee

Post by deb

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

Thanks Lee, I enjoyed the article. I like how he incorporates the
four yogas.

Welcome Debra. You may then enjoy the other
Beware the Dual Nondual - Walshhttp://www.acim.name/DualNondual.html
ACIM and Buddhist Practice - Solcon
(Solcon studied Tibetan Dzogchen Buddhism)http://www.acim.name/CourseandBuddhism.html
~ Lee

he had me at "stoicism"
thanks for passing this on!

Hey darlin, you're very welcome!

I so appreciated your intimate share of the other
evening. Many many thanks for that. ;) ~L

[eluq]

Hi Lee,

Your spider might be holding out on you. Dr. Walsch wrote that years ago,
1989 I believe. Great article. I think I read somewhere that Ken Wilber
lived with Francis Vaughan and Roger Walsch back in those days. If so, must
have been quite an intellectual vortex.

Speaking of Ken Wilber have you ever read the book "Grace and Grit"? Quite
an insight into living and dying.

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[Lee]

Post by eluq
Hi Lee,
Your spider might be holding out on you. Dr. Walsch wrote that years ago,
1989 I believe. Great article.

Yes. I think the www.acim.name site that is hosting
the old article is much more recent. ;))

Post by eluq
I think I read somewhere that Ken Wilber
lived with Francis Vaughan and Roger Walsch back in those days.

Even earlier! You may have read the article that I posted,
detailing that early association of Wilber and Vaugh/Walsh,
during their 70's involvement with Skutch et al and the West
Coast introduction of the Course. They put Wilber up while he
wrote his first book, I believe. I was impressed that Wilber
said ACIM was on a parr with anything he'd ever seen.

Post by eluq
If so, must
have been quite an intellectual vortex.

Heady days, no doubt!

Post by eluq
Speaking of Ken Wilber have you ever read the book "Grace and Grit"? Quite
an insight into living and dying.

I've read large portions of it. So moving. The best I've
seen on death and dying, next to Stephen and Andrea Levine's
"Who Dies?".

The Levine's book was the main book that I used in
the death and dying support group that I facilitated
at the Attitudinal Healing Center here in Santa Fe.
Truly excellent read, if you haven't come by it.

Good to see you jon. I feel like I've missed some
excellent opportunities for discussion that you've
directed my way. Ah, elusive time...

~ Lee

Post by eluq

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[eluq]

Post by Lee

Post by eluq
Hi Lee,
Your spider might be holding out on you. Dr. Walsch wrote that years
ago, 1989 I believe. Great article.

Yes. I think the www.acim.name site that is hosting
the old article is much more recent. ;))

Pretty neat that there is attention to the C in India in an organized way.
It would be fun to sit in on a Sunday afternoon session sometime.

Post by Lee

Post by eluq
I think I read somewhere that Ken Wilber lived with Francis Vaughan and
Roger Walsch back in those days.

Even earlier! You may have read the article that I posted,
detailing that early association of Wilber and Vaugh/Walsh,
during their 70's involvement with Skutch et al and the West
Coast introduction of the Course. They put Wilber up while he
wrote his first book, I believe. I was impressed that Wilber
said ACIM was on a parr with anything he'd ever seen.

Maybe that's where I got the idea. You posted the article on the ng? I'd
be interested in reading it (again?) if you point me the right direction.

Post by Lee

Post by eluq
If so, must have been quite an intellectual vortex.

Heady days, no doubt!

Post by eluq
Speaking of Ken Wilber have you ever read the book "Grace and Grit"?
Quite an insight into living and dying.

I've read large portions of it. So moving. The best I've
seen on death and dying, next to Stephen and Andrea Levine's
"Who Dies?".

I smile when I think of Grace and Grit. Some time ago I had an afternoon to
kill so went to a used bookstore and found G&G, sounded OK but thought I'd
skim through it to see if I wanted to purchase it or not. The bookstore has
comfortable chairs around so I plopped down and I got completly wrapped up
in the book and read for hours and as I got towards the end I was crying
like a baby. Wow, that would never do and I wasn't even to the end yet so I
had to go wash my face and buy the book and finish it in private.

Have read several of Stephen Levine's books but years ago, maybe should
review them. I'm kindof a death advocate (how's that for a claim???) in
that it should be discussed, examined and hopefully brought to light. Not
sure why but Lessons 163 & 167 have seemed quite memorable. I'm guessing
because the message is so absolute. Death takes many forms and belief in
any signify acceptance of separation from God. I know that I still see
death as escape or release on the one hand and yet even deeper I also sense
that it is the ultimate idol that I (not jon) tried to make a will and
kingdom outside of God. Nothing makes this world more real than death.

Post by Lee
The Levine's book was the main book that I used in
the death and dying support group that I facilitated
at the Attitudinal Healing Center here in Santa Fe.
Truly excellent read, if you haven't come by it.
Good to see you jon. I feel like I've missed some
excellent opportunities for discussion that you've
directed my way. Ah, elusive time...
~ Lee

Guess I do assume you read my sporadic posts (sporadic both in time and
content!). We probably read the same posts/posters on the ng. I'm assuming
you skip many of them as I do. So it all is integrated into the mind in
some fashion or another.
jon

Post by Lee

Post by eluq

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[Lee]

Post by eluq

Post by Lee

Post by eluq
Hi Lee,
Your spider might be holding out on you. Dr. Walsch wrote that years
ago, 1989 I believe. Great article.

Yes. I think the www.acim.name site that is hosting
the old article is much more recent. ;))

Pretty neat that there is attention to the C in India in an organized way.
It would be fun to sit in on a Sunday afternoon session sometime.

Post by Lee

Post by eluq
I think I read somewhere that Ken Wilber lived with Francis Vaughan and
Roger Walsch back in those days.

Even earlier! You may have read the article that I posted,
detailing that early association of Wilber and Vaugh/Walsh,
during their 70's involvement with Skutch et al and the West
Coast introduction of the Course. They put Wilber up while he
wrote his first book, I believe. I was impressed that Wilber
said ACIM was on a parr with anything he'd ever seen.

Maybe that's where I got the idea. You posted the article on the ng? I'd
be interested in reading it (again?) if you point me the right direction.

Post by Lee

Post by eluq
If so, must have been quite an intellectual vortex.

Heady days, no doubt!

Post by eluq
Speaking of Ken Wilber have you ever read the book "Grace and Grit"?
Quite an insight into living and dying.

I've read large portions of it. So moving. The best I've
seen on death and dying, next to Stephen and Andrea Levine's
"Who Dies?".

I smile when I think of Grace and Grit. Some time ago I had an afternoon to
kill so went to a used bookstore and found G&G, sounded OK but thought I'd
skim through it to see if I wanted to purchase it or not. The bookstore has
comfortable chairs around so I plopped down and I got completly wrapped up
in the book and read for hours and as I got towards the end I was crying
like a baby. Wow, that would never do and I wasn't even to the end yet so I
had to go wash my face and buy the book and finish it in private.
Have read several of Stephen Levine's books but years ago, maybe should
review them. I'm kindof a death advocate (how's that for a claim???) in
that it should be discussed, examined and hopefully brought to light. Not
sure why but Lessons 163 & 167 have seemed quite memorable. I'm guessing
because the message is so absolute. Death takes many forms and belief in
any signify acceptance of separation from God. I know that I still see
death as escape or release on the one hand and yet even deeper I also sense
that it is the ultimate idol that I (not jon) tried to make a will and
kingdom outside of God. Nothing makes this world more real than death.

Post by Lee
The Levine's book was the main book that I used in
the death and dying support group that I facilitated
at the Attitudinal Healing Center here in Santa Fe.
Truly excellent read, if you haven't come by it.
Good to see you jon. I feel like I've missed some
excellent opportunities for discussion that you've
directed my way. Ah, elusive time...
~ Lee

Guess I do assume you read my sporadic posts (sporadic both in time and
content!). We probably read the same posts/posters on the ng. I'm assuming
you skip many of them as I do. So it all is integrated into the mind in
some fashion or another.
jon

Don't skip yours, bro. Catch them all. ;)
Article from 2007 is here:

Posts #181 and 182 apply. The entire thread is
about Wilber.

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.course-miracle/browse_frm/thread/2b9b381ae0b7cac1/993b2ef848ef0813?#993b2ef848ef0813

Post by eluq

Post by Lee

Post by eluq

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[Deborah]

Post by eluq
I know that I still see
death as escape or release on the one hand and yet even deeper I also sense
that it is the ultimate idol that I (not jon) tried to make a will and
kingdom outside of God. Nothing makes this world more real than death.

The death of a particular body certainly IS a release from IT. And
lots of people, quite understandably, want that. They do not
necessarily believe that that is "the end". But beliefs are, after
all, merely beliefs. We don't get to take our beliefs with us, so it
really all depends what the truth is.

Deborah (BC)

[eluq]

Somehow it seems, even with every breath we take, there is support of self
creation. Breathe in - I believe I'm sustaining life -- sort of idea. If
that is sound reasoning don't know how to rectify sustaining a separate will
that is self created with breathing!! So far the breathing has won!

Post by Deborah

Post by eluq
I know that I still see
death as escape or release on the one hand and yet even deeper I also sense
that it is the ultimate idol that I (not jon) tried to make a will and
kingdom outside of God. Nothing makes this world more real than death.

The death of a particular body certainly IS a release from IT. And
lots of people, quite understandably, want that. They do not
necessarily believe that that is "the end". But beliefs are, after
all, merely beliefs. We don't get to take our beliefs with us, so it
really all depends what the truth is.
Deborah (BC)

[Deborah]

Post by eluq
Somehow it seems, even with every breath we take, there is support of self
creation. Breathe in - I believe I'm sustaining life -- sort of idea. If
that is sound reasoning don't know how to rectify sustaining a separate will
that is self created with breathing!! So far the breathing has won!

Interesting Jon... Have you ever tried the Zen focus on the breathing
while disasocciatiing from literally everything else you experience as
yourself? Just breathing, where that's the only thing you do? It's
quite a liberating trip.

Interesting how breathing can be two very different things from two
very different perspectives. Depends what you're looking for when you
breath, apparently.

Deborah (BC)

Post by eluq

Post by Deborah

Post by eluq
I know that I still see
death as escape or release on the one hand and yet even deeper I also sense
that it is the ultimate idol that I (not jon) tried to make a will and
kingdom outside of God. Nothing makes this world more real than death.

The death of a particular body certainly IS a release from IT. And
lots of people, quite understandably, want that. They do not
necessarily believe that that is "the end". But beliefs are, after
all, merely beliefs. We don't get to take our beliefs with us, so it
really all depends what the truth is.
Deborah (BC)

[eluq]

Thanks Lee,

Wow you're an organized guy!

Post by Lee

Post by eluq
Hi Lee,
Your spider might be holding out on you. Dr. Walsch wrote that years
ago, 1989 I believe. Great article.

Yes. I think the www.acim.name site that is hosting
the old article is much more recent. ;))

Post by eluq
I think I read somewhere that Ken Wilber lived with Francis Vaughan and
Roger Walsch back in those days.

Even earlier! You may have read the article that I posted,
detailing that early association of Wilber and Vaugh/Walsh,
during their 70's involvement with Skutch et al and the West
Coast introduction of the Course. They put Wilber up while he
wrote his first book, I believe. I was impressed that Wilber
said ACIM was on a parr with anything he'd ever seen.

Post by eluq
If so, must have been quite an intellectual vortex.

Heady days, no doubt!

Post by eluq
Speaking of Ken Wilber have you ever read the book "Grace and Grit"?
Quite an insight into living and dying.

I've read large portions of it. So moving. The best I've
seen on death and dying, next to Stephen and Andrea Levine's
"Who Dies?".
The Levine's book was the main book that I used in
the death and dying support group that I facilitated
at the Attitudinal Healing Center here in Santa Fe.
Truly excellent read, if you haven't come by it.
Good to see you jon. I feel like I've missed some
excellent opportunities for discussion that you've
directed my way. Ah, elusive time...
~ Lee

Post by eluq

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[suebrd]

On Aug 9, 10:36 pm, Lee <***@att.net> wrote:

ha Lee, thanks for the memories. When I was living around the
Woodstock spiritual circus, early 90's....It was like "nice to meet
you, what's your path?". Some of the folks I was hanging out with
were minor luminaries on the Transpersonal Psych circuit--had been
friends with Joseph Campbell, Groff, Richard Alpert, Leary, gone off
to India or to drink ahyahuaska in the Rain Forrest with shamans, were
devotees of Gurumayi, Zen Masters, the new Swami on the block at the
theosophy center. and wannabe Goddesses, shamans, etc.

my path was, well, ACIM. Very low on the food chain 'channelled'
material, even without seeing the holes in Ken's socks. But the fact
that Walsh and Vaughan actually had good things to say about it, they
were highly credible so I wasn't entirely scoffed at. Wilber wasn't
even 'Wilber' yet, really. Unreadable except to a total brainiac, such
as they...; )

Post by eluq
Hi Lee,
Your spider might be holding out on you.  Dr. Walsch wrote that years ago,
1989 I believe.   Great article.  

Yes. I think thewww.acim.namesite that is hosting
the old article is much more recent. ;))

Post by eluq
I think I read somewhere that Ken Wilber
lived with Francis Vaughan and Roger Walsch back in those days.

Even earlier! You may have read the article that I posted,
detailing that early association of Wilber and Vaugh/Walsh,
during their 70's involvement with Skutch et al and the West
Coast introduction of the Course. They put Wilber up while he
wrote his first book, I believe. I was impressed that Wilber
said ACIM was on a parr with anything he'd ever seen.

Post by eluq
If so, must
have been quite an intellectual vortex.

Heady days, no doubt!

Post by eluq
Speaking of Ken Wilber have you ever read the book "Grace and Grit"?  Quite
an insight into living and dying.

I've read large portions of it. So moving. The best I've
seen on death and dying, next to Stephen and Andrea Levine's
"Who Dies?".
The Levine's book was the main book that I used in
the death and dying support group that I facilitated
at the Attitudinal Healing Center here in Santa Fe.
Truly excellent read, if you haven't come by it.
Good to see you jon. I feel like I've missed some
excellent opportunities for discussion that you've
directed my way. Ah, elusive time...
~ Lee

Post by eluq

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[Lee]

Post by suebrd
ha Lee, thanks for the memories. When I was living around the
Woodstock spiritual circus, early 90's....

Sounds east coast ??

Post by suebrd
It was like "nice to meet you, what's your path?".

lol. I remember the times well.

Post by suebrd
Some of the folks I was hanging out with
were minor luminaries on the Transpersonal Psych circuit--had been
friends with Joseph Campbell, Groff, Richard Alpert, Leary, gone off
to India or to drink ahyahuaska in the Rain Forrest with shamans,

lol. Nice thing about Santa Fe.. the shamans came to us, early on.
Hayahuasca by the full lunar eclipse at the pertroglyphs. lol

Post by suebrd

we devotees of Gurumayi, Zen Masters, the new Swami on the block at the

theosophy center. and wannabe Goddesses, shamans, etc.

Weren't that just FUNNNN.. ! Whattatime that was. Can you say
Cornucopia? lol I have to say, Santa Fe is still very much
locked into that era.. Definitely sweet! The spiritual scene
here is second to only the art scene, and leads even the
reknowned healing scene of this area.

Post by suebrd
my path was, well, ACIM. Very low on the food chain 'channelled'
material,

Awwww... that's so endearing. ;) I know what you mean tho. Entirely.
Try mentioning ACIM at the Naropa Institute, for instance. In 1978.
It's a tough row to hoe, signing on on with a channeled master. ;)

I'd be delighted to learn what commanded your attention so, when it
was so uncool to have fallen for 'channeled' Christian material. ;)
Do tell!

Post by suebrd
even without seeing the holes in Ken's socks. But the fact
that Walsh and Vaughan actually had good things to say about it, they
were highly credible so I wasn't entirely scoffed at. Wilber wasn't
even 'Wilber' yet, really. Unreadable except to a total brainiac, such
as they...; )

And you, perhaps? ha!

~ Lee

Post by suebrd

Post by eluq
Hi Lee,
Your spider might be holding out on you. Dr. Walsch wrote that years ago,
1989 I believe. Great article.

Yes. I think thewww.acim.namesite that is hosting
the old article is much more recent. ;))

Post by eluq
I think I read somewhere that Ken Wilber
lived with Francis Vaughan and Roger Walsch back in those days.

Even earlier! You may have read the article that I posted,
detailing that early association of Wilber and Vaugh/Walsh,
during their 70's involvement with Skutch et al and the West
Coast introduction of the Course. They put Wilber up while he
wrote his first book, I believe. I was impressed that Wilber
said ACIM was on a parr with anything he'd ever seen.

Post by eluq
If so, must
have been quite an intellectual vortex.

Heady days, no doubt!

Post by eluq
Speaking of Ken Wilber have you ever read the book "Grace and Grit"? Quite
an insight into living and dying.

I've read large portions of it. So moving. The best I've
seen on death and dying, next to Stephen and Andrea Levine's
"Who Dies?".
The Levine's book was the main book that I used in
the death and dying support group that I facilitated
at the Attitudinal Healing Center here in Santa Fe.
Truly excellent read, if you haven't come by it.
Good to see you jon. I feel like I've missed some
excellent opportunities for discussion that you've
directed my way. Ah, elusive time...
~ Lee

Post by eluq

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[suebrd]

On Aug 10, 10:37 pm, Lee <***@att.net> wrote:

oh yeah, I meant 'the' Woodstock, NY. That area also is a 'vortex'
like Santa Fe. The Sivenanda ashram for hatha yoga, (not too far from
Roscoe :) I used to go to was orginally a Breatharium around the turn
of the century. Woodstock itself was/still is an artist's colony--
fine arts and brainiacs like Campbell in the 30's.

I guess I could say I was a mystic as a child and didn't know it. I
would have these glimpses and some psychic abilities which of course I
didn't know weren't 'normal' but it was freaking my mom out so I got
the message to just keep it to myself and pretend to buy into
consensus reality which at the time seemed to be that miracles only
happened in the past.

In college I decided I was a heretic because I questioned a few of the
articles of faith and also didn't understand how it could be that they
were different from one denomination to another. I had no problem with
Jesus. I just got disgruntled over organized religion.

My godmother gave me Love is Letting Go of Fear and it made a huge
impact on me..around '80 in Colorado, lol--I had a friend who was
trying to drag me to Naropa and another who was a Premie. Then when
the Course itself found me I realized it was the basis of Jampolsky's
little book. It was partly important to me at the time that Helen and
Bill clinical psychologists whose careers it could have destroyed, not
Shirley MacLaine sure she was Cleopatra in a past life. But mainly it
just resonated, I guess, and the psychology helped me enormously,
pulling me out of cyclical depression.

Wilber, naw, his first couple of books were almost completely
unintelligible to me. I'm pretty sure the story goes the publisher
finally insisted on an editor for A Brief History of Everything. I've
never read Of Grace and Grit. Betcha there's a copy in the used
bookstore downtown....

Anyway, what I thought was the best part of the Walsh article and it's
use on the Dharamsala site was his emphasis on how each person's
interpretation will be unique. I remember having a wonderful e-mail
conversation with an Indian man early Latrobe who sort of got booed
for his interpretation. He was raised Hindu, but you know Ramakrishna
had visions of and a great love for Jesus.

Post by Lee

ha Lee, thanks for the memories.  When I was living around the
Woodstock spiritual circus, early 90's....

Sounds east coast ??

It was like "nice to meet you, what's your path?".  

lol. I remember the times well.

Some of the folks I was hanging out with
were minor luminaries on the Transpersonal Psych circuit--had been
friends with Joseph Campbell, Groff, Richard Alpert, Leary, gone off
to India or to drink ahyahuaska in the Rain Forrest with shamans,

lol. Nice thing about Santa Fe.. the shamans came to us, early on.
Hayahuasca by the full lunar eclipse at the pertroglyphs. lol
 > > we devotees of Gurumayi, Zen Masters, the new Swami on the block at the

theosophy center.  and wannabe Goddesses, shamans, etc.

Weren't that just FUNNNN.. ! Whattatime that was. Can you say
Cornucopia?  lol  I have to say, Santa Fe is still very much
locked into that era.. Definitely sweet! The spiritual scene
here is second to only the art scene, and leads even the
reknowned healing scene of this area.

my path was, well, ACIM.  Very low on the food chain 'channelled'
material,

Awwww... that's so endearing. ;) I know what you mean tho. Entirely.
Try mentioning ACIM at the Naropa Institute, for instance. In 1978.
It's a tough row to hoe, signing on on with a channeled master. ;)
I'd be delighted to learn what commanded your attention so, when it
was so uncool to have fallen for 'channeled' Christian material. ;)
Do tell!

even without seeing the holes in Ken's socks.  But the fact
that Walsh and Vaughan actually had good things to say about it, they
were highly credible so I wasn't entirely scoffed at.  Wilber wasn't
even 'Wilber' yet, really. Unreadable except to a total brainiac, such
as they...; )

And you, perhaps? ha!
~ Lee

Post by eluq
Hi Lee,
Your spider might be holding out on you.  Dr. Walsch wrote that years ago,
1989 I believe.   Great article.  

Yes. I think thewww.acim.namesitethat is hosting
the old article is much more recent. ;))

Post by eluq
I think I read somewhere that Ken Wilber
lived with Francis Vaughan and Roger Walsch back in those days.

Even earlier! You may have read the article that I posted,
detailing that early association of Wilber and Vaugh/Walsh,
during their 70's involvement with Skutch et al and the West
Coast introduction of the Course. They put Wilber up while he
wrote his first book, I believe. I was impressed that Wilber
said ACIM was on a parr with anything he'd ever seen.

Post by eluq
If so, must
have been quite an intellectual vortex.

Heady days, no doubt!

Post by eluq
Speaking of Ken Wilber have you ever read the book "Grace and Grit"?  Quite
an insight into living and dying.

I've read large portions of it. So moving. The best I've
seen on death and dying, next to Stephen and Andrea Levine's
"Who Dies?".
The Levine's book was the main book that I used in
the death and dying support group that I facilitated
at the Attitudinal Healing Center here in Santa Fe.
Truly excellent read, if you haven't come by it.
Good to see you jon. I feel like I've missed some
excellent opportunities for discussion that you've
directed my way. Ah, elusive time...
~ Lee

Post by eluq

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[One Truth]

Post by Lee

Post by suebrd
ha Lee, thanks for the memories. When I was living around the
Woodstock spiritual circus, early 90's....

Sounds east coast ??

I don't remember much of anything like this. .but then again I'm
remembering more of the late 70 through the 90's time line, in New
Orleans. Pre-Katrina New Orleans.

New Orleans is its own world and own universe. Its a Roman Catholic
world, which ironically is highly ecumenical and highly tolerant. A few
decades of attending Mardi Gras demonstrates the Joseph Campbell thesis
of people actively inventing, perpetuating and living myths --both
consciously and unconsciously.

Your next door neighbor might belong to the Krew of Isis, and someone at
work could remark her mother met her father at the Ball of the Krew of
Atlantians. At one time there were probably a hundred of these Krews.

A New Orleanian wouldn't think twice about yelling for beads at the
parade of Orpheus or Bacchus and then a few days later having a priest
mark his forehead with ashes on Ash Wednesday.

In other words, there was no need for a spiritual circus. The entire
city was a spiritual circus whose content was nothing less than the
entire collective consciousness of mankind, especially the Western
mysteries going back even to Atlantis.

Guru seekers like Bible belt fundamentalist are simply swallowed up and
incorporated in an all pervasive, all encompassing world view, which
again is Old World Roman Catholicism. I doubt path snobbery works when
people are encouraged and have license to express themselves damn near
any way they choose and nearly any eccentric personal expression can be
incorporated somehow under the catagory of "Mardi Gras."

At any rate the new age "spiritual scene," in New Orleans in those years
was centered around a handful of new age bookstores and was mostly Edgar
Cayce/Search for God, and later ACIM. In other words, Christian new age.


On the other hand, the city is full of eccentric, unknown scholars,
seekers and geniuses of every persuasion. I suspect with a little effort
you could find people of like mind in any possible path one wished to
explore.

[suebrd]

On Aug 12, 4:53 am, One Truth <***@gmail.com> wrote:

John, what a perfect description of New Orleans. You are actually
describing the branch of my family there, ha!. My Episcopalian priest
uncle married into a krew, cradle RC's. Much family fun with that
running joke whenever we get together. My uncle is also a bit of a
conjurer and I have a hoo doo man friend there as well who also fronts
a blues/rock/funk band.

I was on a plane a few years ago to London, talking to a gentleman who
had traveled a lot and we were sharing our favorite places in the
world. He had just fallen in love with San Francisco. He asked me
the proverbial question "if you had only a week to live....and could
only visit one city, what would it be?" After a bit of consideration,
my answer was without a doubt. New Orleans.

Post by One Truth

Post by Lee

ha Lee, thanks for the memories.  When I was living around the
Woodstock spiritual circus, early 90's....

Sounds east coast ??

I don't remember much of anything like this. .but then again I'm
remembering more of the late 70 through the 90's time line, in New
Orleans. Pre-Katrina New Orleans.
New Orleans is its own world and own universe. Its a Roman Catholic
world, which ironically is highly ecumenical and highly tolerant. A few
decades of attending Mardi Gras demonstrates the Joseph Campbell thesis
of people actively inventing, perpetuating and living myths --both
consciously and unconsciously.
Your next door neighbor might belong to the Krew of Isis, and someone at
work could remark her mother met her father at the Ball of the Krew of
Atlantians. At one time there were probably a hundred of these Krews.
A New Orleanian wouldn't think twice about yelling for beads at the
parade of Orpheus or Bacchus and then a few days later having a priest
mark his forehead with ashes on Ash Wednesday.
In other words, there was no need for a spiritual circus. The entire
city was a spiritual circus whose content was nothing less than the
entire collective consciousness of mankind, especially the Western
mysteries going back even to Atlantis.
Guru seekers like Bible belt fundamentalist are simply swallowed up and
incorporated in an all pervasive, all encompassing world view, which
again is Old World Roman Catholicism. I doubt path snobbery works when
people are encouraged and have license to express themselves damn near
any way they choose and nearly any eccentric personal expression can be
incorporated somehow under the catagory of "Mardi Gras."
At any rate the new age "spiritual scene," in New Orleans in those years
was centered around a handful of new age bookstores and was mostly Edgar
Cayce/Search for God, and later ACIM. In other words, Christian new age.
On the other hand, the city is full of eccentric, unknown scholars,
seekers and geniuses of every persuasion. I suspect with a little effort
you could find people of like mind in any possible path one wished to
explore.

[mg weber-c.]

http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html

Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))

No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.

Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<

m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[Jasmine]

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4.    “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

    A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky.  This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations.  Just because ACIM says the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world.  For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions.  In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.”   <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

well, he does mention that his approach is dogma free.

[mg weber-c.]

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says
the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

well, he does mention that his approach is dogma free.<

Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments. They might
look merely 'negative' as I am quickly scanning commentaries primarily on
what does not resonate. Like finding the obstacles to Love. ;-)

m

[Jasmine]

Post by mg weber-c.

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says
the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

well, he does mention that his approach is dogma free.<

Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments. They might
look merely 'negative' as I am quickly scanning commentaries primarily on
what does not resonate. Like finding the obstacles to Love. ;-)
m

funny, ha ha, disclaimer, it does kind of read like that...and also
because I got that same vibe the first few times I read that last
night, but today awoke in awe of that approach, "dogma free." it
seems noble, highly intellectual/philosophical or maybe I was overly
impressed that he is in the Dalai Lama's back yard...???

have you any electronic copies of the Gifts of God? or any links for
it online? thanks in advance...

Hope you are having a great evening!

[suebrd]

On Aug 10, 12:08 pm, Jasmine <***@gmail.com> wrote:

what I find really charming about it is that each creation is unique
and yet a symphony...even hip hop, ; )

Post by Jasmine

Post by mg weber-c.

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says
the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

well, he does mention that his approach is dogma free.<

Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments. They might
look merely 'negative' as I am quickly scanning commentaries primarily on
what does not resonate. Like finding the obstacles to Love. ;-)
m

funny, ha ha, disclaimer, it does kind of read like that...and also
because I got that same vibe the first few times I read that last
night, but today awoke in awe of that approach, "dogma free."  it
seems noble, highly intellectual/philosophical or maybe I was overly
impressed that he is in the Dalai Lama's back yard...???
have you any electronic copies of the Gifts of God? or any links for
it online?  thanks in advance...
Hope you are having a great evening!

[maz]

Post by Jasmine

Post by mg weber-c.

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says
the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

well, he does mention that his approach is dogma free.<

Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments. They might
look merely 'negative' as I am quickly scanning commentaries primarily on
what does not resonate. Like finding the obstacles to Love. ;-)
m

funny, ha ha, disclaimer, it does kind of read like that...and also
because I got that same vibe the first few times I read that last
night, but today awoke in awe of that approach, "dogma free." it
seems noble, highly intellectual/philosophical or maybe I was overly
impressed that he is in the Dalai Lama's back yard...???
have you any electronic copies of the Gifts of God? or any links for
it online? thanks in advance...
Hope you are having a great evening!

Hi Jasmine,

I had to research the meaning of dogma, and don't exactly understand
the word. It says the word means a 'system of principles; system of
religious laws' but it has such a load... dogma-free then means
without a system of principles or religious laws. I guess i'm
hopelessly dogmatic then.

I'm sorry but TGOG is not on my hard drive, i have a hard-copy and
cherish it. Maybe others can guide us to an on-line source, if it
exists.

namazté

[Jasmine]

Post by maz

Post by Jasmine

Post by mg weber-c.

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says
the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

well, he does mention that his approach is dogma free.<

Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments. They might
look merely 'negative' as I am quickly scanning commentaries primarily on
what does not resonate. Like finding the obstacles to Love. ;-)
m

funny, ha ha, disclaimer, it does kind of read like that...and also
because I got that same vibe the first few times I read that last
night, but today awoke in awe of that approach, "dogma free."  it
seems noble, highly intellectual/philosophical or maybe I was overly
impressed that he is in the Dalai Lama's back yard...???
have you any electronic copies of the Gifts of God? or any links for
it online?  thanks in advance...
Hope you are having a great evening!

Hi Jasmine,
I had to research the meaning of dogma, and don't exactly understand
the word. It says the word means a 'system of principles; system of
religious laws' but it has such a load... dogma-free then means
without a system of principles or religious laws. I guess i'm
hopelessly dogmatic then.
I'm sorry but TGOG is not on my hard drive, i have a hard-copy and
cherish it. Maybe others can guide us to an on-line source, if it
exists.
namazté

right, i'm understanding his use of dogma-free as no authoritative
doctrine. thus, there is more room for interpretation with support
from other schools of thought and or other religions that underlines
the universal nature of ACIM.

oh, I just found on my hard drive the review copy for Doug Thompson's
book, which has TGOG as one the volumes.

[Lee]

Post by Jasmine

Post by maz

Post by Jasmine

Post by mg weber-c.

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says
the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

well, he does mention that his approach is dogma free.<

Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments. They might
look merely 'negative' as I am quickly scanning commentaries primarily on
what does not resonate. Like finding the obstacles to Love. ;-)
m

funny, ha ha, disclaimer, it does kind of read like that...and also
because I got that same vibe the first few times I read that last
night, but today awoke in awe of that approach, "dogma free." it
seems noble, highly intellectual/philosophical or maybe I was overly
impressed that he is in the Dalai Lama's back yard...???
have you any electronic copies of the Gifts of God? or any links for
it online? thanks in advance...
Hope you are having a great evening!

Hi Jasmine,
I had to research the meaning of dogma, and don't exactly understand
the word. It says the word means a 'system of principles; system of
religious laws' but it has such a load... dogma-free then means
without a system of principles or religious laws. I guess i'm
hopelessly dogmatic then.
I'm sorry but TGOG is not on my hard drive, i have a hard-copy and
cherish it. Maybe others can guide us to an on-line source, if it
exists.
namazté

right, i'm understanding his use of dogma-free as no authoritative
doctrine. thus, there is more room for interpretation with support
from other schools of thought and or other religions that underlines
the universal nature of ACIM.
oh, I just found on my hard drive the review copy for Doug Thompson's
book, which has TGOG as one the volumes.

Hi Jasmine, there is considerable confusion that arises from
the fact that TGOG is both an individual poem that Helen scribed,
and the name of a collected volume of poems that she was careful
to point out were very much her own compositions. Thompson's site
features the single TGOG poem -- a superbly beautiful encapsulation
of the entire Course imo, in 5 parts (or movements).

Sorry, but I don't know of any online source for her collection of
poems. The book is worth the purchase price, that's for sure. And
to spend time with her poems is to intimately know both the struggles
and triumpths of her faith -- and her mastery of the material, itself.

~ Lee

[Jasmine]

Post by Lee

Post by Jasmine

Post by maz

Post by Jasmine

Post by mg weber-c.

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says
the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

well, he does mention that his approach is dogma free.<

Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments. They might
look merely 'negative' as I am quickly scanning commentaries primarily on
what does not resonate. Like finding the obstacles to Love. ;-)
m

funny, ha ha, disclaimer, it does kind of read like that...and also
because I got that same vibe the first few times I read that last
night, but today awoke in awe of that approach, "dogma free."  it
seems noble, highly intellectual/philosophical or maybe I was overly
impressed that he is in the Dalai Lama's back yard...???
have you any electronic copies of the Gifts of God? or any links for
it online?  thanks in advance...
Hope you are having a great evening!

Hi Jasmine,
I had to research the meaning of dogma, and don't exactly understand
the word. It says the word means a 'system of principles; system of
religious laws' but it has such a load... dogma-free then means
without a system of principles or religious laws. I guess i'm
hopelessly dogmatic then.
I'm sorry but TGOG is not on my hard drive, i have a hard-copy and
cherish it. Maybe others can guide us to an on-line source, if it
exists.
namazté

right, i'm understanding his use of dogma-free as no authoritative
doctrine. thus, there is more room for interpretation with support
from other schools of thought and or other religions that underlines
the universal nature of ACIM.
oh, I just found on my hard drive the review copy for Doug Thompson's
book, which has TGOG as one the volumes.

Hi Jasmine, there is considerable confusion that arises from
the fact that TGOG is both an individual poem that Helen scribed,
and the name of a collected volume of poems that she was careful
to point out were very much her own compositions. Thompson's site
features the single TGOG poem -- a superbly beautiful encapsulation
of the entire Course imo, in 5 parts (or movements).
Sorry, but I don't know of any online source for her collection of
poems. The book is worth the purchase price, that's for sure. And
to spend time with her poems is to intimately know both the struggles
and triumpths of her faith -- and her mastery of the material, itself.
~ Lee

What a mistake! ;( oh my, thanks. :)

[Jasmine]

Post by maz

Post by Jasmine

Post by mg weber-c.

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says
the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

well, he does mention that his approach is dogma free.<

Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments. They might
look merely 'negative' as I am quickly scanning commentaries primarily on
what does not resonate. Like finding the obstacles to Love. ;-)
m

funny, ha ha, disclaimer, it does kind of read like that...and also
because I got that same vibe the first few times I read that last
night, but today awoke in awe of that approach, "dogma free."  it
seems noble, highly intellectual/philosophical or maybe I was overly
impressed that he is in the Dalai Lama's back yard...???
have you any electronic copies of the Gifts of God? or any links for
it online?  thanks in advance...
Hope you are having a great evening!

Hi Jasmine,
I had to research the meaning of dogma, and don't exactly understand
the word. It says the word means a 'system of principles; system of
religious laws' but it has such a load... dogma-free then means
without a system of principles or religious laws. I guess i'm
hopelessly dogmatic then.
I'm sorry but TGOG is not on my hard drive, i have a hard-copy and
cherish it. Maybe others can guide us to an on-line source, if it
exists.
namazté

Thanks for looking for me! I much appreciate it!

Peace and great weekend to you and yours!

[Deborah]

Post by mg weber-c.
Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments.

From what I can see it is only because of your lack of time that you
don't even listen to what has been said before you interject with some
knee jerk reaction.

[mg weber-c.]

Post by Deborah

Post by mg weber-c.
Sure. Disclaimer: Imagine that my "mis-matching" is also dogma free. It is
only because of lack of time that I need compress my comments.

From what I can see it is only because of your lack of time that you
don't even listen to what has been said before you interject with some
knee jerk reaction.

the block didn't even last 15 minutes. Took me 10 seconds to figure.

[Lee]

Hey buddy,

Post by Lee
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
Interesting. (Darn, white letters on a black background are such an insult
to the brain! It gives you a vision as behind prison bars ;-))
No mention of the Atonement or the Sonship, no mention of the author's
testimonies on who authored the Course, and a Course 'at a par' with any
other system. Further, the 2nd (highly incomplete) edition is advertised,
along with the complaint that the Course doesn't give enough infromation.

Good observations all. He may be a bit more circumspect in what
he writes because of his professional standing, while in fact
feeling much more strongly about those points.

Post by Lee
Also, where does the world "remain ontologically indeterminate.” in the ur.

I agree that sentence was curiously constructed. It seems an
overstated conclusion to his carefully worded paragraph of
personal opinion as to the lack of a "clear and unambiguous
description" of the world's "unreal"ness. Keep in mind that
this article appears to have been written without reference
to the Urtext's additional clarity on the subject.

~ Lee

Post by Lee
Its clearly a divice built in the space-time belief, and man is a Divine
Creation.

Post by Lee

4. “Reality” is Difficult, and Probably Impossible, to Understand

A great deal hinges on the understanding of “reality” and “unreality.”
This is hardly surprising since ACIM repeats over and over that the world is
“unreal.”
Discussions about reality are very tricky. This needs to be clearly
recognized in any comparison of interpretations. Just because ACIM says the
world is “unreal” doesn’t necessarily mean that it has given us enough
information about the precise nature of this unreality for us to be certain
about the actual nature [in philosophical terms, about the precise
“ontological status”] of the world. For myself, and this is of course my
own interpretation, I don’t believe the Course gives enough information, or
is clear and unambiguous enough, about the nature of the world to reach
definitive conclusions. In the technical terms of philosophy, for the
Course, the world remains “ontologically indeterminate.” <<
m

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, “Philosophia Perennis – the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ––the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man’s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ––the thing is immemorial and universal.”
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[mg weber-c.]

Post by Lee
Keep in mind that
this article appears to have been written without reference
to the Urtext's additional clarity on the subject.

Sure. I think its a very good idea to provide Mr Walsh with some more
original material that will give the exact and "enough information" he
professes to miss so far.

Ur up to do that, maybe?

thanks, lee~bro

[Lee]

Post by mg weber-c.

Post by Lee
Keep in mind that
this article appears to have been written without reference
to the Urtext's additional clarity on the subject.

Sure. I think its a very good idea to provide Mr Walsh with some more
original material that will give the exact and "enough information" he
professes to miss so far.
Ur up to do that, maybe?
thanks, lee~bro

I ur up to it, indeed. Good idea! ~L

[1***@gmail.com]

Post by Lee
Hey guys,
I've had a search spider for years that crawls the
web for mentions of lucidity and ACIM within the
same page, as well as other key phrases. It's one
way that I keep up with the increasing awareness of
the Course's sleeping/dreaming/waking metaphor as
vitally significant to its message and vision, and
different developments within that general approach.
Today it returned a hit on this very concise and
excellent article on the Course by Dr Roger Walsh,
"The Perennial Wisdom of ACIM" from this page.
It's both a deep exploration of the Course, and a
very fitting introduction to ACIM for anyone who
ever wished for a thoughtful thumbnail sketch of
what the material is about -- to send inquisitive
friends.
http://www.acim.name/PerennialWisdom.html
The entire site is an excellent new resource for
novel and interesting approaches to understanding
ACIM. The site's creator is a clinical psychologist
currently teaching ACIM in Dharamsala, India.
~ Lee
Also from his site, the Institute for the Study of
Aldous Huxley writes, �Philosophia Perennis � the phrase
was coined by Leibniz; but the thing ��the metaphysic that
recognizes a divine Reality substantial to the world of
things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in
the soul something similar to, or even identical with,
divine Reality; the ethic that places man�s final end
in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground
of all being ��the thing is immemorial and universal.�
(The Perennial Philosophy, 1945)

[d***@live.com]

ACIM IS A CROCK OF CRAP


The so-called ACIM is a crock of crap,
fruitless verbiage, spewed by Satan
himself, to try to draw people away
from GOD's word The Holy Bible which
teaches and preaches that there IS a
fallen angel called Satan, and there IS a
hell prepared for Satan and his angels /
messengers both celestial and human,
and there IS law and sin IS breaking law -
all the things that ACIM say do not exist.

And I have already proven what crock of crap
the so-called ACIM IS in these previous reply
posts of mine:

Gary Renard and judgement
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.religion.course-miracle/Xuk26E6oOZA

ACIM - Fatal Flaw
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.religion.course-miracle/9z1b5r7TYSQ

God *Is*
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.religion.course-miracle/PbVmthshCbo

All Talents Belong To All Of God's Children
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.religion.course-miracle/otny4ntUl7E

Sin vs. Error
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.religion.course-miracle/TS1uEIcp0Ug

The Perfect Messiah
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.religion.course-miracle/NKE8Wy9ib9o

The Name Of God
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.religion.course-miracle/xb2Df2m_1_w

Thanksgiving Bible Selections
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.religion.course-miracle/G7te-e9q9PY