A Teacher of God

[Carrie]

I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is needed
in this decision. Like someone else can "deem" another person A Teacher of
God....or say they are not. It seems like a totallly personal choice. Maybe
between the person and God/Holy Spirit/Inner Teacher. Not like they are
given a certificate or diploma or credentials of some kind, by someone who
is above them in some way. Like "in the world" usually does it.
Just something I was thinking of and looked into. Maybe somewhere else in
the course it says differently.


A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has made a
deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as apart from
someone else's. Once he has done that his road is established and his
direction is sure. A light has entered the darkness. It may be a single
light, but that is enough. He has entered an agreement with God, even if he
does not yet believe in Him. He has become a bringer of salvation. He has
become a teacher of God.

They come from all over the world. They come from all religions
and from no religion. They are the ones who have answered. The Call is
universal. It goes on all the time everywhere. It calls for teachers to
speak for it and redeem the world. Many hear it but few will answer. But it
is all a matter of time. Everyone will answer in the end, but the end can be
a long, long way off. It is because of this that the plan of the teachers
was established. Their function is to save time. Each one begins as a single
light, but with the Call at its center it is a light that cannot be limited.
And each one saves a thousand years of time as the world judges it. To the
Call itself time has no meaning.

There is a course for every teacher of God. The form of the
course varies greatly. So do the particular teaching aids involved. But the
content of the course never changes. Its central theme is always, "God's Son
is guiltless, and in his innocence is his salvation." It can be taught by
actions or thoughts; in words or soundlessly; in any language or in no
language; in any place or time or manner. It does not matter who the teacher
was before he heard the Call. He has become a savior by his answering. He
has seen someone else as himself. He has therefore found his own salvation
and the salvation of the world. In his rebirth is the world reborn.

[Tom]

 I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is needed
in this decision. Like someone else can "deem" another person A Teacher of
God....or say they are not. It seems like a totallly personal choice. Maybe
between the person and God/Holy Spirit/Inner Teacher. Not like they are
given a certificate or diploma or credentials of some kind, by someone who
is above them in some way. Like "in the world" usually does it.
  Just something I was thinking of and looked into. Maybe somewhere else in
the course it says differently.
            A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has made a
deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as apart from
someone else's. Once he has done that his road is established and his
direction is sure. A light has entered the darkness. It may be a single
light, but that is enough. He has entered an agreement with God, even if he
does not yet believe in Him. He has become a bringer of salvation. He has
become a teacher of God.
            They come from all over the world. They come from all religions
and from no religion. They are the ones who have answered. The Call is
universal. It goes on all the time everywhere. It calls for teachers to
speak for it and redeem the world. Many hear it but few will answer. But it
is all a matter of time. Everyone will answer in the end, but the end can be
a long, long way off. It is because of this that the plan of the teachers
was established. Their function is to save time. Each one begins as a single
light, but with the Call at its center it is a light that cannot be limited.
And each one saves a thousand years of time as the world judges it. To the
Call itself time has no meaning.
            There is a course for every teacher of God. The form of the
course varies greatly. So do the particular teaching aids involved. But the
content of the course never changes. Its central theme is always, "God's Son
is guiltless, and in his innocence is his salvation." It can be taught by
actions or thoughts; in words or soundlessly; in any language or in no
language; in any place or time or manner. It does not matter who the teacher
was before he heard the Call. He has become a savior by his answering. He
has seen someone else as himself. He has therefore found his own salvation
and the salvation of the world. In his rebirth is the world reborn.

~ I'll say this much, Carrie. You are a good indicator for the phase
of the moon.

[Carrie]

Post by Tom

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is
needed in this decision. Like someone else can "deem" another person
A Teacher of God....or say they are not. It seems like a totallly
personal choice. Maybe between the person and God/Holy Spirit/Inner
Teacher. Not like they are given a certificate or diploma or
credentials of some kind, by someone who is above them in some way.
Like "in the world" usually does it.
Just something I was thinking of and looked into. Maybe somewhere
else in the course it says differently.
A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has
made a deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as
apart from someone else's. Once he has done that his road is
established and his direction is sure. A light has entered the
darkness. It may be a single light, but that is enough. He has
entered an agreement with God, even if he does not yet believe in
Him. He has become a bringer of salvation. He has become a teacher
of God.
They come from all over the world. They come from all religions
and from no religion. They are the ones who have answered. The Call
is universal. It goes on all the time everywhere. It calls for
teachers to speak for it and redeem the world. Many hear it but few
will answer. But it is all a matter of time. Everyone will answer in
the end, but the end can be a long, long way off. It is because of
this that the plan of the teachers was established. Their function
is to save time. Each one begins as a single light, but with the
Call at its center it is a light that cannot be limited. And each
one saves a thousand years of time as the world judges it. To the
Call itself time has no meaning.
There is a course for every teacher of God. The form of the
course varies greatly. So do the particular teaching aids involved.
But the content of the course never changes. Its central theme is
always, "God's Son is guiltless, and in his innocence is his
salvation." It can be taught by actions or thoughts; in words or
soundlessly; in any language or in no language; in any place or time
or manner. It does not matter who the teacher was before he heard
the Call. He has become a savior by his answering. He has seen
someone else as himself. He has therefore found his own salvation
and the salvation of the world. In his rebirth is the world reborn.

~ I'll say this much, Carrie. You are a good indicator for the phase
of the moon.

Is that helpful to you?

[Pieter]

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is needed
in this decision.
"A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has made a
deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as apart from
someone else's."

Since how can someone's interests be not apart
from someone else's, WITHOUT someone else?

[Carrie]

Post by Pieter

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is
needed in this decision.
"A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has
made a deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as
apart from someone else's."

Since how can someone's interests be not apart
from someone else's, WITHOUT someone else?

I mean someone else saying the other person is a "Teacher of God". Like
needing a certificiate or credentials from someone.
Of course, everyone who comes into my life is a Teacher of God, as to
helping me remember and practice my beliefs.
This newsgroup is especially good for this.

[Pieter]

Post by Carrie

Post by Pieter

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is
needed in this decision.
"A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has
made a deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as
apart from someone else's."

Since how can someone's interests be not apart
from someone else's, WITHOUT someone else?

I mean someone else saying the other person is a "Teacher of God". Like
needing a certificiate or credentials from someone.
Of course, everyone who comes into my life is a Teacher of God, as to
helping me remember and practice my beliefs.
This newsgroup is especially good for this.

- I see. Thanks for explaining!

[Carrie]

Post by Pieter

Post by Carrie

Post by Pieter

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is
needed in this decision.
"A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has
made a deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as
apart from someone else's."

Since how can someone's interests be not apart
from someone else's, WITHOUT someone else?

I mean someone else saying the other person is a "Teacher of God".
Like needing a certificiate or credentials from someone.
Of course, everyone who comes into my life is a Teacher of God, as
to helping me remember and practice my beliefs.
This newsgroup is especially good for this.

- I see. Thanks for explaining!

Just my personal belief about it. Doesn't mean anyone else has to agree.

[ellie]

Post by Pieter

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is needed
in this decision.
           "A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has made a
deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as apart from
someone else's."

Since how can someone's interests be not apart
from someone else's, WITHOUT someone else?

Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many. This
recognition acknowledges the impossibility of ANY interests apart.
Apart from whom/what? That one should interpret it to mean impossible
WITHOUT someone else only reinforces a belief in separation.

[expires]

On Wed Mar 03 2010 09:30:39 GMT+0100

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

[MikeRyder]

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:03:04 +0100, expires

Post by expires
On Wed Mar 03 2010 09:30:39 GMT+0100

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

Ahhhhhhh see? The ego just cant conceive of It.

[expires]

Post by MikeRyder

Post by expires

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

Ahhhhhhh see? The ego just cant conceive of It.

If with that you referred to
'my' ego, you missed my point.
Having remembered is not worth
much, when one keeps forgetting
again and again and again... :)
--expires

[ellie]

Post by expires

Post by MikeRyder

Post by expires

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

Ahhhhhhh see? The ego just cant conceive of It.

If with that you referred to
'my' ego, you missed my point.
Having remembered is not worth
much, when one keeps forgetting
again and again and again... :)
--expires

What is the significance of placing worth on remembering?

[expires]

Post by ellie

Post by expires

Post by MikeRyder

Post by expires

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

Ahhhhhhh see? The ego just cant conceive of It.

If with that you referred to
'my' ego, you missed my point.
Having remembered is not worth
much, when one keeps forgetting
again and again and again... :)
--expires

What is the significance of placing worth on remembering?

None, if one keeps forgetting, keeps falling asleep.

[ellie]

Post by expires

Post by ellie

Post by expires

Post by MikeRyder

Post by expires

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

Ahhhhhhh see? The ego just cant conceive of It.

If with that you referred to
'my' ego, you missed my point.
Having remembered is not worth
much, when one keeps forgetting
again and again and again... :)
--expires

What is the significance of placing worth on remembering?

None, if one keeps forgetting, keeps falling asleep.

I always loved the line in ACIM about the son remembering not to laugh
at the thought of separation. According to the ACIM myth forgetting
is willful. Thank God, according to the same myth it's not real and
not eternal.

[expires]

On Wed Mar 03 2010 11:34:41 GMT+0100

Post by ellie

Post by expires

Post by ellie

Post by expires

Post by MikeRyder

Post by expires

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

Ahhhhhhh see? The ego just cant conceive of It.

If with that you referred to
'my' ego, you missed my point.
Having remembered is not worth
much, when one keeps forgetting
again and again and again... :)
--expires

What is the significance of placing worth on remembering?

None, if one keeps forgetting, keeps falling asleep.

I always loved the line in ACIM about the son remembering not to laugh
at the thought of separation. According to the ACIM myth forgetting
is willful. Thank God, according to the same myth it's not real and
not eternal.

:) somehow reminds me of:
" The world is but a show, glittering and empty. It
" is, and yet is not. It is there as long as I want
" to see it and take part in it. When I cease
" caring, it dissolves. It has no cause and serves
" no purpose. It just happens when we are absent-
" minded. It appears exactly as it looks, but there
" is no depth in it, nor meaning. Only the onlooker
" is real. Call him Self or Atma. To the Self the
" world is but a colourful show, which he enjoys as
" long as it lasts and forgets when it is over.
" Whatever happens on the stage makes him shudder in
" terror or roll with laughter, yet all the time he
" is aware that it is but a show. Without desire or
" fear he enjoys it, as it happens.
From "I AM THAT" by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, available
for download at http://www.celextel.org/wp/

[Carrie]

Post by MikeRyder
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:03:04 +0100, expires

Post by expires
On Wed Mar 03 2010 09:30:39 GMT+0100

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

Ahhhhhhh see? The ego just cant conceive of It.

The ego would be the only "thing" that could conceive (not just
experience) or attempt to.
Basically, overall, it seems like "does it really matter?" Trying to
discribe it and define it in form.

[ellie]

Post by expires
On Wed Mar 03 2010 09:30:39 GMT+0100

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

Yep. "Awake" only has meaning to a dreamer.

[expires]

Post by ellie

Post by expires

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

Yep. "Awake" only has meaning to a dreamer.

:)

[Carrie]

Post by expires
On Wed Mar 03 2010 09:30:39 GMT+0100

Post by ellie
Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.

Then we have billion-billion imaginary selves.
So when the "One Son" dreams that a million
(0.0000000001 %) have "awoken", the "One Son"
is still dreaming effectively 100%, isn't "he"?
--expires

I think it's hard, maybe impossible to picture it.
It's like a flowing and changing overall. Everyone like cells, part of the
whole. Like a tapestry with colors and shapes continually moving and
shifting and changing (overall)

[Carrie]

Post by ellie

Post by Pieter

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is
needed in this decision.
"A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has
made a deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as
apart from someone else's."

Since how can someone's interests be not apart
from someone else's, WITHOUT someone else?

Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many. This
recognition acknowledges the impossibility of ANY interests apart.
Apart from whom/what? That one should interpret it to mean impossible
WITHOUT someone else only reinforces a belief in separation.

I know, and if we think we are separate and apart that is an error and
doesn't really matter in any real, overall way.
Just a silly mistake. Maybe this is where "acknowledge but you have been
mistaken and all effects or your mistakes disappear" comes in.
I think we (humans) go astray when we start trying to see things or judge
them in "someone else". If everyone is just a projection of the One.
At the same time there's the idea of "in the world but not of it" we are
choosing to live IN the world (of illusion). I don't think there is anything
wrong with that.

[Pieter]

Post by ellie

Post by Pieter

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is needed
in this decision.
"A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has made a
deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as apart from
someone else's."

Since how can someone's interests be not apart
from someone else's, WITHOUT someone else?

Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many. This
recognition acknowledges the impossibility of ANY interests apart.
Apart from whom/what? That one should interpret it to mean impossible
WITHOUT someone else only reinforces a belief in separation.

In this reasoning you start from the knowledge of
the One Son.
Here on earth one's existence starts with the tuition
and the experience that people have different interests
(different jobs, hobbies, sports and such). From that
starting point choosing to see "someone else" as having
the same (essential) interests as one's own, definitely is
the beginning of the way back to Unity, not a further
step away from it (which "reinforcing a belief in
separation" would be.)

[ellie]

Post by Pieter

Post by Pieter

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else is needed
in this decision.
           "A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere he has made a
deliberate choice in which he did not see his interests as apart from
someone else's."

Since how can someone's interests be not apart
from someone else's, WITHOUT someone else?

Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many.  This
recognition acknowledges the impossibility of ANY interests apart.
Apart from whom/what?  That one should interpret it to mean impossible
WITHOUT someone else only reinforces a belief in separation.

In this reasoning you start from the knowledge of
the One Son.

Well are we not expected to deny the denial of truth?

Post by Pieter
Here on earth one's existence starts with the tuition
and the experience that people have different interests
(different jobs, hobbies, sports and such). From that
starting point choosing to see "someone else" as having
the same (essential) interests as one's own,  definitely is
the beginning of the way back to Unity, not a further
step away from it (which "reinforcing a belief in
separation" would be.)

There is only one truth, Pieter, and that is the truth of One.
Certainly what you describe can be helpful to the process but it
consumes more time as it requires more mental steps.
But one cannot have perception without reinforcing the belief in
separation. Starting from the knowledge of One Son is where the
healing is.

[Pieter]

Post by ellie

Post by Pieter

Post by ellie

Post by Carrie

Post by Carrie
I was trying to see where he says (if it does) that someone else
is
needed
in this decision.

"A teacher of God is anyone who chooses to be one. His
qualifications consist solely in this; somehow, somewhere
he has made a deliberate choice in which he did not see
his interests as apart from someone else's."
Since how can someone's interests be not apart
from someone else's, WITHOUT someone else?

Fmp there is One Son who is dreaming Himself as many. This
recognition acknowledges the impossibility of ANY interests apart.
Apart from whom/what? That one should interpret it to mean impossible
WITHOUT someone else only reinforces a belief in separation.

In this reasoning you start from the knowledge of
the One Son.

Well are we not expected to deny the denial of truth?

Yes, we are.
So we are asked to withdraw the power
we gave to the fog that obscures the light.
Without letting the fog be lifted, the truth
will only be theory, and not experienced
(or: not in awareness, if you prefer these
words).

Post by ellie

Post by Pieter
Here on earth one's existence starts with the tuition
and the experience that people have different interests
(different jobs, hobbies, sports and such). From that
starting point choosing to see "someone else" as having
the same (essential) interests as one's own, definitely is
the beginning of the way back to Unity, not a further
step away from it (which "reinforcing a belief in
separation" would be.)

There is only one truth, Pieter, and that is the truth of One.
Certainly what you describe can be helpful to the process but it
consumes more time as it requires more mental steps.

Why more steps?
Since one brother is all brothers.

Post by ellie
But one cannot have perception without reinforcing the belief in
separation.

I would say:
"one cannot have perception without belief in separation."
The belief in separation is undone by correcting or healing
perception. Only healed perception can be translated into
knowledge. What I mean is that if one is familiar with
perception, then immediate transfer to knowledge cannot
be enforced.

Post by ellie
Starting from the knowledge of One Son is where the
healing is.

Revelation is only given when it can be
received without raising any fear. As long as
one is not yet aware of that knowledge, and
it is only perceived as "a possible theory", even
when belief is bestowed on the theory, guidance
of the Holy Spirit is necessary. Since He is able
to bridge our perceptions and His knowledge.
The guidance of the HS is the healing process.
Having knowledge does mean being healed;
the healing process *leads to* knowledge.