Post by Sidney LambeOn talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Sidney LambeOn talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by CarriePost by Sidney LambeOn talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Carrie?
Dishonest as hell.
I am here. I say what I choose.
If you don't like it, you can write your congressperson.
Free speech reigns on the Usenet.
It really isn't a good place for facist religious zealots
like you.
You need to be on a nice, moderated forum where no one can
criticize the fluffy-bunny crapola you spew on this group.
Okay, you have no answer to my question... asked in the
context of what you have written on a discussion group, as
discussion. No surprise
<shrug> ACIM still sucks.
Oh well... a lot in life does. A lot doesn't. And every
now and then there are some actual discussions here. As you
say, it's unmoderated, and that, in itself is getting rather
rare and we should be thankful for it. I wouldn't want it
any other way. I don't need someone else manipulating and
controlling the lessons that are presented to me (verbally) and
preventing me from learning them in my own way and time.
ACIM starts out by disorienting and confusing the reader by
offering a lengthy and absurd definition of "miracle".
That definition differes radically from the dictionary definition
and is impossible to understand.
No one understands it. It doesn't mean anything except that
disorientation and confusing and the removal of common reference
points are all tactics used by interrogators and brainwashers. By
propagandists.
Everything in the physical universe is a miracle. There are no
exceptions. Magick is just the conscious working of miracles.
But the most destructive aspect of that introduction is the idea
that some manifestations are miracles and some are not.
This is a very deceitful way of saying that there is Evil in
the universe.
This is not true. Evil is a false concept invented by ignorant
and fearful people.
All existence is Blessed. Any apparent Evil is only ignorance.
Everything is a part of the body of God. There is no outside.
There is nothing to be saved from.
It's All Good <-------> It's All God
I think the problem here is that you and I interpret ACIM differently.
Not saying that's good or bad, just different. I think it does say
everything is miracles, and it says "a miracle is a shift in perception, a
change of mind" To shift one's mind and come from Spirit, or Truth. That
everything and anything is possible. If it's my "dream" I can have it any
way I want. I am the creator of it.
I don't know if it means "manifestations" as in form. If it's all
illusion, than form would be, too. Aside from ACIM, science (quantum
physics) has proven that nothing is solid, the way we might thing.
I think you have the idea that people who believe as ACIM says don't
believe in a world that is "real". I don't think it says this or tells
people to live that way. It says just remember that what we think of is real
isn't ALL there is. We are spiritual beings having a physical experience.
Maybe some do use this to close out the world and not deal with things (as
if it's real) but maybe they would anyway. And, I know there are groups
using ACIM who are teaching it in different ways, more like you are saying.
But, that isn't the book, that's the interpretation of it and what some seem
to need a leader, teacher/guru for. When they don't. The course says it's
self study, and if there are questions to ask one's "Inner Teacher" for
answers.
It's a book, with words, and kind of abstract in ways, so it can be
made into anything or everything.
If I saw it the way you do, I'd be agreeing with you, too. I am not for
cults and gurus and people soliciting money (and people who can't afford to
give it feeling they have to, because "Jesus" is giving them a chance to
help him with his work) But also, I don't think raving about it and
pointing it out over and over does any good. Just makes those who believe
in it (whatever IT is) all the more stubbornly determined they are right.
Not trying to stop you're campaign against miracles and people who
claim to understand and follow a book (when to me, most of them don't and
they certainly don't seem to be living it) and I know, I couldn't stop you
if I wanted to. I don't believe I (or anyone) can MAKE someone else believe
a certain way, but you certainly are passionate in your beliefs and trying
this.
I thnk if anything, I am (as to beliefs) more of a
Unitarian/Universalist. Like Walt Whitman. I think I have posted this
before, but once again, reading what you write I was reminded of it. And, I
do agree with you... All existence is Blessed. Any apparent Evil is only
ignorance (I don't think ACIM says there is evil, if it does, it says it's
illusion and not real) It also says sin, guilt and fear aren't real and are
part of the illusion and we can let them go.
And, to me the book does say "it's all good and all God. Whatever it
says to you, is just how it is. And we can believe in any way, but when it
comes down to it, no one (at least in a body- form) really knows for sure.
Miracles
By Walt Whitman
1819-1892
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Why, who makes much of a miracle?
As to me I know of nothing else but miracles,
Whether I walk the streets of Manhattan,
Or dart my sight over the roofs of houses toward the sky,
Or wade with naked feet along the beach just in the edge of the water,
Or stand under trees in the woods,
Or talk by day with any one I love, or sleep in the bed at night
with any one I love,
Or sit at table at dinner with the rest,
Or look at strangers opposite me riding in the car,
Or watch honey-bees busy around the hive of a summer forenoon,
Or animals feeding in the fields,
Or birds, or the wonderfulness of insects in the air,
Or the wonderfulness of the sundown, or of stars shining so quiet
and bright,
Or the exquisite delicate thin curve of the new moon in spring;
These with the rest, one and all, are to me miracles,
The whole referring, yet each distinct and in its place.
To me every hour of the light and dark is a miracle,
Every cubic inch of space is a miracle,
Every square yard of the surface of the earth is spread with the same,
Every foot of the interior swarms with the same.
To me the sea is a continual miracle,
The fishes that swim--the rocks--the motion of the waves--the
ships with men in them,
What stranger miracles are there?