Discussion:
Course poetry
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HappyD
2011-01-09 09:56:05 UTC
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I've been periodically collecting poetic verses for one of my study
groups, where we read them at random. I thought that if anyone else
has some similar passage they might want to share it would be fun to
see them. Plus it gives Sid some fun with his chatbot.


Chapter 29 - The Awakening
Forgiveness & Peace (End of Time)

Swear not to die, you holy Son of God!
You make a bargain that you cannot keep.
The Son of Life cannot be killed. He is immortal as his Father. What
he is cannot be changed. He is the only thing in all the universe that
must be one.
What seems eternal all will have an end.
The stars will disappear, and night and day will be no more. All
things that come and go, the tides, the seasons, and the lives of man;
all things that change with time, and bloom and fade, will not return.
Where time has set an end is not where the eternal is.
God’s Son can never change by what man made of him. He will be as he
was and as he is, for time appointed not his destiny, nor set the hour
of his birth and death.
Forgiveness will not change him.
Yet time waits upon forgiveness that the things of time may disappear
because they have no use.
Carrie
2011-01-09 13:26:54 UTC
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Post by HappyD
I've been periodically collecting poetic verses for one of my study
groups, where we read them at random. I thought that if anyone else
has some similar passage they might want to share it would be fun to
see them. Plus it gives Sid some fun with his chatbot.
Chapter 29 - The Awakening
Forgiveness & Peace (End of Time)
Swear not to die, you holy Son of God!
You make a bargain that you cannot keep.
The Son of Life cannot be killed. He is immortal as his Father. What
he is cannot be changed. He is the only thing in all the universe that
must be one.
What seems eternal all will have an end.
The stars will disappear, and night and day will be no more. All
things that come and go, the tides, the seasons, and the lives of man;
all things that change with time, and bloom and fade, will not return.
Where time has set an end is not where the eternal is.
God’s Son can never change by what man made of him. He will be as he
was and as he is, for time appointed not his destiny, nor set the hour
of his birth and death.
Forgiveness will not change him.
Yet time waits upon forgiveness that the things of time may disappear
because they have no use.
This is a great one.
I probably have some in mind (or saved in my quotes file) but just got
up, it's snowing out, and I'm still kind of in zombie land. You know, since
all these years of ACIM (that, at one point took over my life and turned my
mind to mush) have ruined my life. And I need at least 2 cups of coffee to
get going. It's tempted to go back to bed and look out the window and watch
it snow. Seems like before ACIM there was snow, that's probably what's wrong
with me. I live where it snows.
Carrie
2011-01-09 13:34:39 UTC
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Post by HappyD
I've been periodically collecting poetic verses for one of my study
groups, where we read them at random. I thought that if anyone else
has some similar passage they might want to share it would be fun to
see them. Plus it gives Sid some fun with his chatbot.
Have you ever heard the tapes, now cds (and audio file instant downloads
you can get for $8 each) from Miracle Distribution Center? Of lines from the
course read by Beverly Hutchinson set to music by Steven Halpern? They are
so beautiful, and have these lilnes and passages. That was how I first heard
lnes from the course, though I had seen the books for sale at the time, in
1988 I got one of the tapes, "The Ark of Peace" to see what it was about.

Not sure if this is what you mean poetic verses but it always seemed like
it to me:
Not in Iambic pentimeter, I like to read lines like this with a flow and
not a choppy beat)


"...We have begun the journey. Long ago the end was written in the stars
and set into the Heavens with a shining Ray that held it safe within
eternity and through all time as well.
And holds it still; unchanged, unchanging and unchangeable.
Be not afraid. We only start again an ancient journey long ago begun that
but seems new.
We have begun again upon a road we travelled on before and lost our way a
little while.
And now we try again. Our new beginning has the certainty the journey
lacked till now.
Look up and see His Word among the stars, where He has set your Name along
with His.
Look up and find your certain destiny the world would hide but God would
have you see..."
Carrie
2011-01-09 13:41:39 UTC
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Thinking about this, and maybe finding them in the course, is a good way to
start a peaceful, snowy, Sunday morning.
Our own personal "church". Joining in peace and what we want (or think we
want (LOL)
Sidney Lambe
2011-01-09 15:13:16 UTC
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Post by HappyD
I've been periodically collecting poetic verses for one of my study
groups, where we read them at random. I thought that if anyone else
has some similar passage they might want to share it would be fun to
see them. Plus it gives Sid some fun with his chatbot.
"Chatbot"? You are as technologically ignorant as you are
spiritually ignorant.
Post by HappyD
Chapter 29 - The Awakening
And of course, you expect us to believe you are "awkaked",
just because you say so. Even though you behave like a rotten
schoolyard bully.
Post by HappyD
Forgiveness & Peace (End of Time)
Swear not to die, you holy Son of God!
Right. Invoke the name of God so that people think you have a
direct connection to the Divine that they don't have.

This is the priestly/guru scam.

Everything is "holy". No exceptions. And people are no more the
"son of God" than that rock over there.
Post by HappyD
You make a bargain that you cannot keep.
You pretend to knowldge you obviously don't posess.
Post by HappyD
The Son of Life cannot be killed. He is immortal as his Father. What
This fellow is a real sexist creep.
Post by HappyD
he is cannot be changed. He is the only thing in all the universe that
must be one.
What seems eternal all will have an end.
The stars will disappear, and night and day will be no more. All
things that come and go, the tides, the seasons, and the lives of man;
all things that change with time, and bloom and fade, will not return.
Where time has set an end is not where the eternal is.
God=92s Son can never change by what man made of him. He will be as he
was and as he is, for time appointed not his destiny, nor set the hour
of his birth and death.
Forgiveness will not change him.
Yet time waits upon forgiveness that the things of time may disappear
because they have no use.
More romantic and superstitious woo-woo from a pathetic
poser who is nothing but another dumb religious fanatic
parroting from a book he wants to believe contains pure Truth.

He is desperate to convince others to follow his tortuous path
because without support from others, its foolishness would
be too apparent to live with.

If this was a forum in the real world, and I heard crap like the
above, I would laugh out loud and get up and leave the room.

When these clowns claim to speak in Jesus' name, that worthy
pukes on His sandals.

Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocence
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
HappyD
2011-01-09 16:40:09 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by HappyD
I've been periodically collecting poetic verses for one of my study
groups, where we read them at random. I thought that if anyone else
has some similar passage they might want to share it would be fun to
see them. Plus it gives Sid some fun with his chatbot.
"Chatbot"? You are as technologically ignorant as you are
spiritually ignorant.
Post by HappyD
Chapter 29 - The Awakening
And of course, you expect us to believe you are "awkaked",
just because you say so. Even though you behave like a rotten
schoolyard bully.
Post by HappyD
Forgiveness & Peace (End of Time)
Swear not to die, you holy Son of God!
Right. Invoke the name of God so that people think you have a
direct connection to the Divine that they don't have.
This is the priestly/guru scam.
Everything is "holy". No exceptions. And people are no more the
"son of God" than that rock over there.
Post by HappyD
You make a bargain that you cannot keep.
You pretend to knowldge you obviously don't posess.
Post by HappyD
The Son of Life cannot be killed. He is immortal as his Father. What
This fellow is a real sexist creep.
Post by HappyD
he is cannot be changed. He is the only thing in all the universe that
must be one.
What seems eternal all will have an end.
The stars will disappear, and night and day will be no more. All
things that come and go, the tides, the seasons, and the lives of man;
all things that change with time, and bloom and fade, will not return.
Where time has set an end is not where the eternal is.
God=92s Son can never change by what man made of him. He will be as he
was and as he is, for time appointed not his destiny, nor set the hour
of his birth and death.
Forgiveness will not change him.
Yet time waits upon forgiveness that the things of time may disappear
because they have no use.
More romantic and superstitious woo-woo from a pathetic
poser who is nothing but another dumb religious fanatic
parroting from a book he wants to believe contains pure Truth.
He is desperate to convince others to follow his tortuous path
because without support from others, its foolishness would
be too apparent to live with.
If this was a forum in the real world, and I heard crap like the
above, I would laugh out loud and get up and leave the room.
When these clowns claim to speak in Jesus' name, that worthy
pukes on His sandals.
Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Sidney I tried to reverse the spell again but its not working as
others can plainly see by your completely nonsensically statements
above. My spellbook says humility is the only cure and the Course
says only a desire to see things differently will work. This may take
a very long time. But I have faith.
HappyD
2011-01-09 16:41:14 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by HappyD
I've been periodically collecting poetic verses for one of my study
groups, where we read them at random. I thought that if anyone else
has some similar passage they might want to share it would be fun to
see them. Plus it gives Sid some fun with his chatbot.
"Chatbot"? You are as technologically ignorant as you are
spiritually ignorant.
Post by HappyD
Chapter 29 - The Awakening
And of course, you expect us to believe you are "awkaked",
just because you say so. Even though you behave like a rotten
schoolyard bully.
Post by HappyD
Forgiveness & Peace (End of Time)
Swear not to die, you holy Son of God!
Right. Invoke the name of God so that people think you have a
direct connection to the Divine that they don't have.
This is the priestly/guru scam.
Everything is "holy". No exceptions. And people are no more the
"son of God" than that rock over there.
Post by HappyD
You make a bargain that you cannot keep.
You pretend to knowldge you obviously don't posess.
Post by HappyD
The Son of Life cannot be killed. He is immortal as his Father. What
This fellow is a real sexist creep.
Post by HappyD
he is cannot be changed. He is the only thing in all the universe that
must be one.
What seems eternal all will have an end.
The stars will disappear, and night and day will be no more. All
things that come and go, the tides, the seasons, and the lives of man;
all things that change with time, and bloom and fade, will not return.
Where time has set an end is not where the eternal is.
God=92s Son can never change by what man made of him. He will be as he
was and as he is, for time appointed not his destiny, nor set the hour
of his birth and death.
Forgiveness will not change him.
Yet time waits upon forgiveness that the things of time may disappear
because they have no use.
More romantic and superstitious woo-woo from a pathetic
poser who is nothing but another dumb religious fanatic
parroting from a book he wants to believe contains pure Truth.
He is desperate to convince others to follow his tortuous path
because without support from others, its foolishness would
be too apparent to live with.
If this was a forum in the real world, and I heard crap like the
above, I would laugh out loud and get up and leave the room.
When these clowns claim to speak in Jesus' name, that worthy
pukes on His sandals.
Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocencehttp://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Maybe balancing your med's might help as well, just a suggestion
Deborah
2011-01-09 19:48:04 UTC
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 01:56:05 -0800 (PST), HappyD
Post by HappyD
God’s Son can never change by what man made of him.
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face for "the fall
from Grace".

Deborah
HappyD
2011-01-09 21:44:17 UTC
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Post by Deborah
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 01:56:05 -0800 (PST), HappyD
God s Son can never change by what man made of him.
Hmmm.  So what then is man?  Seems like man is the face for "the fall
from Grace".
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Carrie
2011-01-09 23:41:09 UTC
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Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 01:56:05 -0800 (PST), HappyD
God s Son can never change by what man made of him.
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face for "the fall
from Grace".
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Isn't "man" part of the illusion? In seperate bodies, we can look at and
judge and decide things about.
Sidney Lambe
2011-01-10 00:20:13 UTC
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On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face for
"the fall from Grace".
Where do they get these foolish ideas? It is not possible to fall
from grace. All you can do is believe that you have fallen from
grace, and it wiil, of course, seem to be true.

All existence is Blessed and there in no evil in it.

This is yet more ACIM nihilism. The sickeningly poisonous
idea that there's something fundamentally wrong with
physical existence.

The Spirit does not create worthless realities. It only creates
realities that have meaning and value and worth.

The body is the sould in chemical clothes.
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Isn't "man" part of the illusion? In seperate bodies, we can
look at and judge and decide things about.
Carrie, this sort of crap is useless in the real world. It's
fodder for drunken philosophers and nothing else.

What matters is learning that you make your reality with the
nature of your beliefs, from the nearly infinite creativity of
your inner self.

And that all existence is Blessed, and any apparent Evil is only
ignorance.

Those are the two biggies. The other main concepts are that the
self has no boundaries or seperations; it is unlimited by
nature; and the present is the point of power.

Anything else is just garbage.

How long have you been trying to make ACIM work for you?
30 years? Haven't you figured it out yet that it doesn't work?

It sure as hell is obvious from here. And I am not just talking
about you. I'm talking about everyone I have ever encountered who
was into ACIM.

Never seen one that wasn't a loser. They all remind me of my
own mother, who always claimed that she was blissfully happy
because she had been Saved. But she was obviously a miserable and
tormented person.

I'm not judging from this newsgroup alone. There's a group here
in town. I have been to two of their meetings. What a bunch of
dreary, self-important, holier-than-thou blabbermouths. All talk
and no walk. All of them have lives riddled with unmet challenges
because ACIM doesn't give them the tools needed to deal effectively
with life.

Why would it? It says that life has no value. Over and over and
over again.

If you believe that, you are going to have a miserable life.
Period. Regardless of any other factors.

Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocence
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
HappyD
2011-01-10 00:59:20 UTC
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Sid
Why would it? It says that life has no value. Over and over and
over again.

Happy:D

Jeez I wonder how many times you'll have to be told that the Course
does not say this?
Carrie
2011-01-10 02:51:12 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid
Why would it? It says that life has no value. Over and over and
over again.
Happy:D
Jeez I wonder how many times you'll have to be told that the Course
does not say this?
Apparently his version of it does. Or his mind sees life that way and he
blames the course.
Carrie
2011-01-10 02:50:26 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face for
"the fall from Grace".
Where do they get these foolish ideas? It is not possible to fall
from grace. All you can do is believe that you have fallen from
grace, and it wiil, of course, seem to be true.
All existence is Blessed and there in no evil in it.
This is yet more ACIM nihilism. The sickeningly poisonous
idea that there's something fundamentally wrong with
physical existence.
The Spirit does not create worthless realities. It only creates
realities that have meaning and value and worth.
The body is the sould in chemical clothes.
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Isn't "man" part of the illusion? In seperate bodies, we can
look at and judge and decide things about.
Carrie, this sort of crap is useless in the real world. It's
fodder for drunken philosophers and nothing else.
What matters is learning that you make your reality with the
nature of your beliefs, from the nearly infinite creativity of
your inner self.
And that all existence is Blessed, and any apparent Evil is only
ignorance.
Those are the two biggies. The other main concepts are that the
self has no boundaries or seperations; it is unlimited by
nature; and the present is the point of power.
I agree with you totally about this. This is my beliefs, also.
Post by Sidney Lambe
Anything else is just garbage.
I don't agree about this, because how and what others believe is
nothing to me.
Post by Sidney Lambe
How long have you been trying to make ACIM work for you?
30 years? Haven't you figured it out yet that it doesn't work?
The goal of the course is Peace of Mind. When I feel this, I feel it
works. No matter what it's called as a belief.
Post by Sidney Lambe
It sure as hell is obvious from here. And I am not just talking
about you. I'm talking about everyone I have ever encountered who
was into ACIM.
Never seen one that wasn't a loser. They all remind me of my
own mother, who always claimed that she was blissfully happy
because she had been Saved. But she was obviously a miserable and
tormented person.
So, that's where you get all this from. Trying to "save the world" in
some attempted to belatedly save your mother from her beliefs.
Maybe how she believed did make her happy? Just because it didn't for
you, just means it didn't for you.
Post by Sidney Lambe
I'm not judging from this newsgroup alone. There's a group here
in town. I have been to two of their meetings. What a bunch of
dreary, self-important, holier-than-thou blabbermouths. All talk
and no walk. All of them have lives riddled with unmet challenges
because ACIM doesn't give them the tools needed to deal effectively
with life.
I've never been to an in person ACIM group, but from what I've heard I
wouldn't last too long at one.
I have no desire to sit around and "talk" about it and what it means
and who's right, and who isn't, etc. Can get enough of that online LOL
Post by Sidney Lambe
Why would it? It says that life has no value. Over and over and
over again.
I don't think it says this, but if it does to you, that's how you
believe it.
I've said before I like "life". I don't want to "awaken from the dream"
and find myself in Heaven. I'm still experiencing and exploring and learning
in life. Even if I do believe it's illusion. It's also real, in that I/we
(overall) are creating it, as if it's real. Same idea.
Post by Sidney Lambe
If you believe that, you are going to have a miserable life.
Period. Regardless of any other factors.
Wouldn't it be up to me, who knows me and my life and how I feel,
to decide this?

You keep telling me not to talk to you, and then respond to what
I write and ask me things. Like you want and expect me to answer. So, I do,
then you will tell me again how and why I am wrong?
Seems like the only real question in any of this is what do you
want? What do you want from people on this newgroup, or from the topic of A
Course in Miracles? Do you want everyone who believes it to stop believing
it and if so, why? If you could possible do this, make it happen (which you
never will be able to do, in this lifetime and any others to come, because
people have this stubborn way of wanting to be in control of their own mind,
lives and beliefs) then what? Would you be happen and feel peaceful? Or feel
like you have vindicated what you saw your mother as living?

If you are so dead set against what you think ACIM teaches (or people
believe it does) why are you on a newsgroup based on it?
Post by Sidney Lambe
Sid
Sidney Lambe
2011-01-10 03:54:23 UTC
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On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face for
"the fall from Grace".
Where do they get these foolish ideas? It is not possible
to fall from grace. All you can do is believe that you have
fallen from grace, and it wiil, of course, seem to be true.
All existence is Blessed and there in no evil in it.
This is yet more ACIM nihilism. The sickeningly poisonous
idea that there's something fundamentally wrong with physical
existence.
The Spirit does not create worthless realities. It only
creates realities that have meaning and value and worth.
The body is the sould in chemical clothes.
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Isn't "man" part of the illusion? In seperate bodies, we
can look at and judge and decide things about.
Carrie, this sort of crap is useless in the real world. It's
fodder for drunken philosophers and nothing else.
What matters is learning that you make your reality with the
nature of your beliefs, from the nearly infinite creativity of
your inner self.
And that all existence is Blessed, and any apparent Evil is
only ignorance.
Those are the two biggies. The other main concepts are that
the self has no boundaries or seperations; it is unlimited by
nature; and the present is the point of power.
I agree with you totally about this. This is my beliefs,
also.
Post by Sidney Lambe
Anything else is just garbage.
I don't agree about this, because how and what others
believe is nothing to me.
I wasn't talking about the beliefs of others. I was talking about
yours.
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
How long have you been trying to make ACIM work for you? 30
years? Haven't you figured it out yet that it doesn't work
The goal of the course is Peace of Mind. When I feel
this, I feel it works. No matter what it's called as a belief.
Any POM you experience is in spite of ACIM, not because of it.

And that goal is garbage. Peace of mind is not a goal, it is a
byproduct. It comes from knowing you are in control of your own
reality and that all existence is Blessed.

And NOT having any contrary beliefs. That's a biggy.

[delete]

Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocence
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Carrie
2011-01-10 13:39:30 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face for
"the fall from Grace".
Where do they get these foolish ideas? It is not possible
to fall from grace. All you can do is believe that you have
fallen from grace, and it wiil, of course, seem to be true.
All existence is Blessed and there in no evil in it.
This is yet more ACIM nihilism. The sickeningly poisonous
idea that there's something fundamentally wrong with physical
existence.
The Spirit does not create worthless realities. It only
creates realities that have meaning and value and worth.
The body is the sould in chemical clothes.
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Isn't "man" part of the illusion? In seperate bodies, we
can look at and judge and decide things about.
Carrie, this sort of crap is useless in the real world. It's
fodder for drunken philosophers and nothing else.
What matters is learning that you make your reality with the
nature of your beliefs, from the nearly infinite creativity of
your inner self.
And that all existence is Blessed, and any apparent Evil is
only ignorance.
Those are the two biggies. The other main concepts are that
the self has no boundaries or seperations; it is unlimited by
nature; and the present is the point of power.
I agree with you totally about this. This is my beliefs,
also.
Post by Sidney Lambe
Anything else is just garbage.
I don't agree about this, because how and what others
believe is nothing to me.
I wasn't talking about the beliefs of others. I was talking about
yours.
Welll, I am an "other" to you.
Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
How long have you been trying to make ACIM work for you? 30
years? Haven't you figured it out yet that it doesn't work
The goal of the course is Peace of Mind. When I feel
this, I feel it works. No matter what it's called as a belief.
Any POM you experience is in spite of ACIM, not because of it.
And that goal is garbage. Peace of mind is not a goal, it is a
byproduct. It comes from knowing you are in control of your own
reality and that all existence is Blessed.
And NOT having any contrary beliefs. That's a biggy.
I don't try and make ACIM work. When I first read the books (in 1991)
it fit in with what I believed. It made sense to me. You seem to have a
picture of me being caught up in something that changed me, took over my
mind, and ruined my life (you're not the first one who's been on this ng who
has seen me that way and responded the same way you are. Like there's some
"personal" reason for trying to save me from my mind being turned to mush by
a cult or guru- or maybe my mind is already mush and it's too late. In which
case, what would be the point?) I am probably the most UNcontrollable
person you'll ever konw. Maybe it's a Sagittarian thing. I just like this
newsgroup because it's not moderated, censored and no one can be banned from
it (though they can be shunned, attacked, turned into something they're not,
and driven away, by those who seem to need to have control over someone
else)

My life doesn't revolve around what ACIM says. If anything I'd
discribe myself as Wikkan or Pagan. or "human being on the planet earth,
doing the best I can like everyone else". I don't go to church, but if I
ever had to, I'd go to Unity or Unitarian. On second thought, I wouldnt go
at all... The world is a "church" to me.

I'm not a joiner and my mind hasn't been taken over by a book or a
cult. Except for this newsgroup and occasionally playing some cds I have
(course lines read to music, which is relaxing and gives a good feeling) I
don't "live by" ACIM. I live and if it fits in with it, it does. Actually,
right now (for the past 10 years) I've been more into Abraham-Hicks. Which,
to me, is a way of putting all this (we create our own reality and goal of
feeling good, having a wonderful life, etc) into real use. I suggested this
to you once. They have hundreds of YouTubes up. Some people can't accept
Esther Hicks is speaking for "Abraham" (a group on non phyiscal beings she
became open to) and just consider it as "Esther Hicks, a great motivational
speaker". I don't think it matters, it's not a group, or cult or anything
organized. It's just there if anyone wants it.

I used to have a signature on posts (on groups online) "Blessed Be"
but, some thought I was a Satanist or Devil worshipper (LOL) It would get in
the way of having discussions.

Now I just think it instead. I don't like pushing MY beliefs on
anyone else. Even indirectly. I don't like being put into a "group" (or what
someone else thinks of as that group) other than overall "All". All one and
one with God" God being the Universal Energy of All. Seems to go in a
circle....

I don't see how it matters how one finds "Peace of mind"(as a
goal) I don't think it's something that can be faked, at least for long.
And, none of us can create in the reality of somene else, though a lot seem
to throw their own life away trying to.
Post by Sidney Lambe
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Sid
Sidney Lambe
2011-01-10 15:22:11 UTC
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On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face for
"the fall from Grace".
Where do they get these foolish ideas? It is not possible
to fall from grace. All you can do is believe that you have
fallen from grace, and it wiil, of course, seem to be true.
All existence is Blessed and there in no evil in it.
This is yet more ACIM nihilism. The sickeningly poisonous
idea that there's something fundamentally wrong with
physical existence.
The Spirit does not create worthless realities. It only
creates realities that have meaning and value and worth.
The body is the sould in chemical clothes.
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Isn't "man" part of the illusion? In seperate bodies, we
can look at and judge and decide things about.
Carrie, this sort of crap is useless in the real world. It's
fodder for drunken philosophers and nothing else.
What matters is learning that you make your reality with the
nature of your beliefs, from the nearly infinite creativity
of your inner self.
And that all existence is Blessed, and any apparent Evil is
only ignorance.
Those are the two biggies. The other main concepts are that
the self has no boundaries or seperations; it is unlimited
by nature; and the present is the point of power.
I agree with you totally about this. This is my beliefs,
also.
Post by Sidney Lambe
Anything else is just garbage.
I don't agree about this, because how and what others believe
is nothing to me.
I wasn't talking about the beliefs of others. I was talking
about yours.
Welll, I am an "other" to you.
Once again, you just can't admit that you have lost another
argument.

If ACIM can't even help you grow up, how the hell is it
ever going to help you become enlightened?

What is it now, 35 years?

[delete]

Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocence
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Carrie
2011-01-10 15:37:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face for
"the fall from Grace".
Where do they get these foolish ideas? It is not possible
to fall from grace. All you can do is believe that you have
fallen from grace, and it wiil, of course, seem to be true.
All existence is Blessed and there in no evil in it.
This is yet more ACIM nihilism. The sickeningly poisonous
idea that there's something fundamentally wrong with
physical existence.
The Spirit does not create worthless realities. It only
creates realities that have meaning and value and worth.
The body is the sould in chemical clothes.
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Isn't "man" part of the illusion? In seperate bodies, we
can look at and judge and decide things about.
Carrie, this sort of crap is useless in the real world. It's
fodder for drunken philosophers and nothing else.
What matters is learning that you make your reality with the
nature of your beliefs, from the nearly infinite creativity
of your inner self.
And that all existence is Blessed, and any apparent Evil is
only ignorance.
Those are the two biggies. The other main concepts are that
the self has no boundaries or seperations; it is unlimited
by nature; and the present is the point of power.
I agree with you totally about this. This is my beliefs,
also.
Post by Sidney Lambe
Anything else is just garbage.
I don't agree about this, because how and what others believe
is nothing to me.
I wasn't talking about the beliefs of others. I was talking
about yours.
Welll, I am an "other" to you.
Once again, you just can't admit that you have lost another
argument.
I wasn't arguing. If you feel you are, and you won, that's fine with me.
Whatever you won.
Post by Sidney Lambe
If ACIM can't even help you grow up, how the hell is it
ever going to help you become enlightened?
You are assuming I want to grow up... and become enlightened.
Just shows that whatever you want to believe, you choose to believe,
if reality to you. Even when it's about me.
Post by Sidney Lambe
What is it now, 35 years?
I don't know what this means. 35 years to or from what?
Post by Sidney Lambe
[delete]
Sid
Sidney Lambe
2011-01-10 15:46:35 UTC
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On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face
for "the fall from Grace".
Where do they get these foolish ideas? It is not possible
to fall from grace. All you can do is believe that you
have fallen from grace, and it wiil, of course, seem to be
true.
All existence is Blessed and there in no evil in it.
This is yet more ACIM nihilism. The sickeningly poisonous
idea that there's something fundamentally wrong with
physical existence.
The Spirit does not create worthless realities. It only
creates realities that have meaning and value and worth.
The body is the sould in chemical clothes.
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Isn't "man" part of the illusion? In seperate bodies,
we can look at and judge and decide things about.
Carrie, this sort of crap is useless in the real world.
It's fodder for drunken philosophers and nothing else.
What matters is learning that you make your reality with
the nature of your beliefs, from the nearly infinite
creativity of your inner self.
And that all existence is Blessed, and any apparent Evil
is only ignorance.
Those are the two biggies. The other main concepts are
that the self has no boundaries or seperations; it is
unlimited by nature; and the present is the point of
power.
I agree with you totally about this. This is my beliefs,
also.
Post by Sidney Lambe
Anything else is just garbage.
I don't agree about this, because how and what others
believe is nothing to me.
I wasn't talking about the beliefs of others. I was talking
about yours.
Welll, I am an "other" to you.
Once again, you just can't admit that you have lost another
argument.
I wasn't arguing. If you feel you are, and you won, that's
fine with me Whatever you won
You remind me of my rotten kid sister when she was about 12.

She, however, has grown up.

Thank you for demonstrating once again what useless garbage
ACIM is.

[delete]

Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocence
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Carrie
2011-01-10 17:35:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Hmmm. So what then is man? Seems like man is the face
for "the fall from Grace".
Where do they get these foolish ideas? It is not possible
to fall from grace. All you can do is believe that you
have fallen from grace, and it wiil, of course, seem to be
true.
All existence is Blessed and there in no evil in it.
This is yet more ACIM nihilism. The sickeningly poisonous
idea that there's something fundamentally wrong with
physical existence.
The Spirit does not create worthless realities. It only
creates realities that have meaning and value and worth.
The body is the sould in chemical clothes.
Post by Carrie
Post by HappyD
Post by Deborah
Deborah
Seems like it doesn't it.
Isn't "man" part of the illusion? In seperate bodies,
we can look at and judge and decide things about.
Carrie, this sort of crap is useless in the real world.
It's fodder for drunken philosophers and nothing else.
What matters is learning that you make your reality with
the nature of your beliefs, from the nearly infinite
creativity of your inner self.
And that all existence is Blessed, and any apparent Evil
is only ignorance.
Those are the two biggies. The other main concepts are
that the self has no boundaries or seperations; it is
unlimited by nature; and the present is the point of
power.
I agree with you totally about this. This is my beliefs,
also.
Post by Sidney Lambe
Anything else is just garbage.
I don't agree about this, because how and what others
believe is nothing to me.
I wasn't talking about the beliefs of others. I was talking
about yours.
Welll, I am an "other" to you.
Once again, you just can't admit that you have lost another
argument.
I wasn't arguing. If you feel you are, and you won, that's
fine with me Whatever you won
You remind me of my rotten kid sister when she was about 12.
She, however, has grown up.
Thank you for demonstrating once again what useless garbage
ACIM is.
And thanks, once again, for reminding me what a waste of time it is to
try and have any kind of discussion with you.
Post by Sidney Lambe
[delete]
Sid
Sidney Lambe
2011-01-10 17:49:43 UTC
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On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie <***@charter.net> wrote:

[delete]

This spoiled-rotten teenage bitch in a 60-year-old body thinks
I am going to read her juvenile attacks from now until eternity.

Hell, I'd rather read a piece of shit like ACIM.

Oh. That's right. I _did_ read it. That's how I know it is shit.

Of course, the fact that someone like Carrie has been studying
it for decades is a big clue to as to its basic worthlessness.

I really have a hard time imagining Jesus behaving like she
and her friends here behave.

Sid
--
I am a Magickal Being
My Second Spell is Innocence
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Stephen
2011-02-03 12:24:21 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
[delete]
This spoiled-rotten teenage bitch in a 60-year-old body thinks
I am going to read her juvenile attacks from now until eternity.
Hell, I'd rather read a piece of shit like ACIM.
Oh. That's right. I _did_ read it. That's how I know it is shit.
Of course, the fact that someone like Carrie has been studying
it for decades is a big clue to as to its basic worthlessness.
I really have a hard time imagining Jesus behaving like she
and her friends here behave.
Sid
Can you imagine him behaving like you? Violent, threatening, abusive,
intolerant, profane and angry?

Oh shit, that's right, you're a troll. Oh well, maybe the others will
benefit.
--
Stephen
Ballina, NSW
Carrie
2011-02-03 13:50:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stephen
Post by Sidney Lambe
[delete]
This spoiled-rotten teenage bitch in a 60-year-old body thinks
I am going to read her juvenile attacks from now until eternity.
Hell, I'd rather read a piece of shit like ACIM.
Oh. That's right. I _did_ read it. That's how I know it is shit.
Of course, the fact that someone like Carrie has been studying
it for decades is a big clue to as to its basic worthlessness.
I really have a hard time imagining Jesus behaving like she
and her friends here behave.
Sid
Can you imagine him behaving like you? Violent, threatening, abusive,
intolerant, profane and angry?
Oh shit, that's right, you're a troll. Oh well, maybe the others will
benefit.
"Sid" has come here to help us remember and put into practice what we
claim to believe.
I don't think it's the first time he/she has done this. We can be
grateful. People in the world we come across or come into our lives aren't
always going to be what we (other people) consider "nice". And no one is
obligated, or even expected to be like Jesus might have been, or would be
now.
We really can't do anything about anyone else, only ourselves.
That's my take on it anyway.However anyone chooses to see it, and
what they make of it, is just that. Their choice.
If no one ever disagreed or had a different way of seeing (coming
from) there wouldn't be opportunities to learn.
John Radgosky
2011-02-03 17:01:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stephen
Post by Sidney Lambe
[delete]
This spoiled-rotten teenage bitch in a 60-year-old body thinks
I am going to read her juvenile attacks from now until eternity.
Hell, I'd rather read a piece of shit like ACIM.
Oh. That's right. I _did_ read it. That's how I know it is shit.
Of course, the fact that someone like Carrie has been studying
it for decades is a big clue to as to its basic worthlessness.
I really have a hard time imagining Jesus behaving like she
and her friends here behave.
Sid
Can you imagine him behaving like you? Violent, threatening, abusive,
intolerant, profane and angry?
Oh shit, that's right, you're a troll. Oh well, maybe the others will
benefit.
     "Sid" has come here to help us remember and put into practice what we
claim to believe.
       I don't think it's the first time he/she has done this.  We can be
grateful. People in the world we come across or come into our lives aren't
always going to be what we (other people) consider "nice".  And no one is
obligated, or even expected to be like Jesus might have been, or would be
now.
       We really can't do anything about anyone else, only ourselves.
        That's my take on it anyway.However anyone chooses to see it, and
what they make of it, is just that. Their choice.
        If no one ever disagreed or had a different way of seeing (coming
from) there wouldn't be opportunities to learn.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I have to say this .... sometimes you remind me of a back seat driver.
Lecture this, lecuture that, turn here. Never ending.

JR
Carrie
2011-02-03 17:35:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Radgosky
Post by Carrie
Post by Stephen
Post by Sidney Lambe
[delete]
This spoiled-rotten teenage bitch in a 60-year-old body thinks
I am going to read her juvenile attacks from now until eternity.
Hell, I'd rather read a piece of shit like ACIM.
Oh. That's right. I _did_ read it. That's how I know it is shit.
Of course, the fact that someone like Carrie has been studying
it for decades is a big clue to as to its basic worthlessness.
I really have a hard time imagining Jesus behaving like she
and her friends here behave.
Sid
Can you imagine him behaving like you? Violent, threatening,
abusive, intolerant, profane and angry?
Oh shit, that's right, you're a troll. Oh well, maybe the others
will benefit.
"Sid" has come here to help us remember and put into practice what we
claim to believe.
I don't think it's the first time he/she has done this. We can be
grateful. People in the world we come across or come into our lives
aren't always going to be what we (other people) consider "nice".
And no one is obligated, or even expected to be like Jesus might
have been, or would be now.
We really can't do anything about anyone else, only ourselves.
That's my take on it anyway.However anyone chooses to see it, and
what they make of it, is just that. Their choice.
If no one ever disagreed or had a different way of seeing (coming
from) there wouldn't be opportunities to learn.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I have to say this .... sometimes you remind me of a back seat driver.
Lecture this, lecuture that, turn here. Never ending.
JR
Maybe you have had a lot of experience with back seat drivers giving
you lectures?
I don't know how else to write on a discussion group. How I think,
feel and believe.
If I come across like I'm lecturing to others (not just you) I would
have to stop participating here, because lecturing people is not my intent
and not what I want to do.
If it's just you and you don't want to look at why you feel this way,
why not just stop reading what I write?
It's like you are looking for lectures.
John Radgosky
2011-02-03 20:38:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Radgosky
Post by Carrie
Post by Stephen
Post by Sidney Lambe
[delete]
This spoiled-rotten teenage bitch in a 60-year-old body thinks
I am going to read her juvenile attacks from now until eternity.
Hell, I'd rather read a piece of shit like ACIM.
Oh. That's right. I _did_ read it. That's how I know it is shit.
Of course, the fact that someone like Carrie has been studying
it for decades is a big clue to as to its basic worthlessness.
I really have a hard time imagining Jesus behaving like she
and her friends here behave.
Sid
Can you imagine him behaving like you? Violent, threatening,
abusive, intolerant, profane and angry?
Oh shit, that's right, you're a troll. Oh well, maybe the others
will benefit.
"Sid" has come here to help us remember and put into practice what we
claim to believe.
I don't think it's the first time he/she has done this. We can be
grateful. People in the world we come across or come into our lives
aren't always going to be what we (other people) consider "nice".
And no one is obligated, or even expected to be like Jesus might
have been, or would be now.
We really can't do anything about anyone else, only ourselves.
That's my take on it anyway.However anyone chooses to see it, and
what they make of it, is just that. Their choice.
If no one ever disagreed or had a different way of seeing (coming
from) there wouldn't be opportunities to learn.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I have to say this .... sometimes you remind me of a back seat driver.
Lecture this, lecuture that, turn here. Never ending.
JR
     Maybe you have had a lot of experience with back seat drivers giving
you lectures?
I've never been bitten in the neck by a wild bear, but I bet it
hurts. And I don't have to experience a back seat driver to know how
to recognize one.
      I don't know how else to write on a discussion group. How I think,
feel and believe.
You write about how you think OTHERS think, feel, believe and even
act. There's the difference and I'm not sure you can grasp that.
      If I come across like I'm lecturing to others (not just you) I would
have to stop participating here, because lecturing people is not my intent
and not what I want to do.
well then, stop lecturing. Read your post before you press send, and
see if you think it's a lecture.
      If it's just you and you don't want to look at why you feel this way,
why not just stop reading what I write?
      It's like you are looking for lectures
That's like saying if a bear bites me in the neck it's because I have
a neck. Stop being silly.

Just sayin'.

JR
Carrie
2011-02-03 21:12:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Radgosky
Post by Carrie
Post by John Radgosky
Post by Carrie
Post by Stephen
Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle,
[delete]
This spoiled-rotten teenage bitch in a 60-year-old body thinks
I am going to read her juvenile attacks from now until eternity.
Hell, I'd rather read a piece of shit like ACIM.
Oh. That's right. I _did_ read it. That's how I know it is shit.
Of course, the fact that someone like Carrie has been studying
it for decades is a big clue to as to its basic worthlessness.
I really have a hard time imagining Jesus behaving like she
and her friends here behave.
Sid
Can you imagine him behaving like you? Violent, threatening,
abusive, intolerant, profane and angry?
Oh shit, that's right, you're a troll. Oh well, maybe the others
will benefit.
"Sid" has come here to help us remember and put into practice what
we claim to believe.
I don't think it's the first time he/she has done this. We can be
grateful. People in the world we come across or come into our lives
aren't always going to be what we (other people) consider "nice".
And no one is obligated, or even expected to be like Jesus might
have been, or would be now.
We really can't do anything about anyone else, only ourselves.
That's my take on it anyway.However anyone chooses to see it, and
what they make of it, is just that. Their choice.
If no one ever disagreed or had a different way of seeing (coming
from) there wouldn't be opportunities to learn.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I have to say this .... sometimes you remind me of a back seat
driver. Lecture this, lecuture that, turn here. Never ending.
JR
Maybe you have had a lot of experience with back seat drivers giving
you lectures?
I've never been bitten in the neck by a wild bear, but I bet it
hurts. And I don't have to experience a back seat driver to know how
to recognize one.
Post by Carrie
I don't know how else to write on a discussion group. How I think,
feel and believe.
You write about how you think OTHERS think, feel, believe and even
act. There's the difference and I'm not sure you can grasp that.
Post by Carrie
If I come across like I'm lecturing to others (not just you) I would
have to stop participating here, because lecturing people is not my
intent and not what I want to do.
well then, stop lecturing. Read your post before you press send, and
see if you think it's a lecture.
Post by Carrie
If it's just you and you don't want to look at why you feel this way,
why not just stop reading what I write?
It's like you are looking for lectures
That's like saying if a bear bites me in the neck it's because I have
a neck. Stop being silly.
Just sayin'.
JR
Since you seem to take what I write this way, and then come back and
ask for "more" I probably shouldn't try and communicate with you.
Seems like we've gone round in circles about this before.
I think a lot of people use "we" as a general way. Like "we human
beings" or something.
It's just how "we" are, and probably not a lot of people notice it, or
make it into something it isn't and wasn't meant to be.
Carrie
2011-02-03 17:36:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Radgosky
I have to say this .... sometimes you remind me of a back seat driver.
Lecture this, lecuture that, turn here. Never ending.
JR
Oh I forgot to thank you for the feedback...
John Radgosky
2011-02-03 20:40:41 UTC
Permalink
   Oh I forgot to thank you for the feedback...
That's phony nonsense. Your honest self would have just left things
were they were. While your passive aggressive self says thanks for
nothing.

JR
Carrie
2011-02-03 21:14:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Radgosky
Post by Carrie
Oh I forgot to thank you for the feedback...
That's phony nonsense. Your honest self would have just left things
were they were. While your passive aggressive self says thanks for
nothing.
JR
I was serious and sincere. I'm glad you pointed out what you see as a
fault in me, I might not have otherwise been aware of.
Now you have pointed out another one, I "should have" just left it alone
and not thanked you. Even though I was and am grateful for your feedback and
lessons.
"lessons not yet mastered will be presented to us in other ways"

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