On experience and the five senses.

[Pieter]

If experience were just receiving sensory input,
then it would not exist in Heaven. It would
mean that experience was replaced by knowledge.
But IMO sensory input is purely instrumental, and
not experience at all. A camera does not experience.
Only when awareness comes into play there can be
talk of experience. The quality of it depends on the
inner voice one follows: of either the ego or God.
Thus "awareness" and "experience" are the same,
and experience is not a product of the five senses.

If you don't agree, I would like to hear why not!

[Mike]

Post by Pieter
If experience were just receiving sensory input,
then it would not exist in Heaven. It would
mean that experience was replaced by knowledge.
But IMO sensory input is purely instrumental, and
not experience at all. A camera does not experience.
Only when awareness comes into play there can be
talk of experience. The quality of it depends on the
inner voice one follows: of either the ego or God.
Thus "awareness" and "experience" are the same,
and experience is not a product of the five senses.
If you don't agree, I would like to hear why not!

The camera does not experience, but the cameraman does. If
awareness and experience were the same then all of us would
learn the same things from the same experience. This obviously is
not the case.

[maz]

"Mike" <

Post by Pieter
If experience were just receiving sensory input,
then it would not exist in Heaven. It would
mean that experience was replaced by knowledge.
But IMO sensory input is purely instrumental, and
not experience at all. A camera does not experience.
Only when awareness comes into play there can be
talk of experience. The quality of it depends on the
inner voice one follows: of either the ego or God.
Thus "awareness" and "experience" are the same,
and experience is not a product of the five senses.
If you don't agree, I would like to hear why not!
The camera does not experience, but the cameraman does. If

awareness and experience were the same then all of us would
learn the same things from the same experience. This obviously is
not the case.<

Ultimately, and imo, it *is* the case in an abstract sense. At least I
assume you quit touching a hot oven after you once tried it when you were 2,
or so. Same goes for members of the Sonship, who will ultimately all accept
the Atonement and join the restoration of the Sonship.

[Pieter]

Post by Mike

Post by Pieter
If experience were just receiving sensory input,
then it would not exist in Heaven. It would
mean that experience was replaced by knowledge.
But IMO sensory input is purely instrumental, and
not experience at all. A camera does not experience.
Only when awareness comes into play there can be
talk of experience. The quality of it depends on the
inner voice one follows: of either the ego or God.
Thus "awareness" and "experience" are the same,
and experience is not a product of the five senses.
If you don't agree, I would like to hear why not!

The camera does not experience, but the cameraman does. If
awareness and experience were the same then all of us would
learn the same things from the same experience. This obviously is
not the case.

With "the same experience" you seem to mean
here "experience of the same event". HOW an
event is experienced, depends on the observer;
he gives it the meaning it has for him, since
projection makes perception.
Imo what we learn is that what we perceive is
not outside our mind, but in and from it; i.o.w.
we have to learn that what we perceive as
outside of us, are our own projections.
Denying this produces nothing but misery;
acknowledging it and releasing our projections
of separation is the way Home.
- Interested to hear if you (dis)agree!