LAO TZU'S TAO TE CHING

Carrie

2011-04-26 22:18:47 UTC

Didn't realize there were more than 2 parts to this, while listening to it.
...
PART 1

Post by Carrie
http://youtu.be/zQGCRSNtDOc

PART2

Post by Carrie
http://youtu.be/W7_T9HrK5Ck

PART 3

PART 4

PART 5

PART 6

PART7

Sidney Lambe

2011-04-27 02:30:25 UTC

Post by Carrie
http://youtu.be/zQGCRSNtDOc
http://youtu.be/W7_T9HrK5Ck

Don't feel like youtube. That's the one with the reeds that you
throw and a particular digraph is referenced in a book with
really nice, romantic, poetic 'readings'? Haven't seen one of
those attractive books in years.

Why use such indirect methods to view the future when you make
your futurer?

--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

Carrie

2011-04-27 12:46:02 UTC

Post by Carrie
http://youtu.be/zQGCRSNtDOc
http://youtu.be/W7_T9HrK5Ck

Don't feel like youtube. That's the one with the reeds that you
throw and a particular digraph is referenced in a book with
really nice, romantic, poetic 'readings'? Haven't seen one of
those attractive books in years.
Why use such indirect methods to view the future when you make
your futurer?

I just thougt it was interesting that the Tao Te Ching was online as
audio. I am somewhat familiar with it, and notice certain lines, like the
idea people who "don't know" talk about something and those who do know,
usually choose not to (ramble on)

I just came across the bible quote about throwing pearls before swine,
I once read a good explaintion of this, the idea of not pushing one's
beliefs on others, at least without being very sure they WANT to hear about
it. I was thinking of Christians and door to door religion pushers, etc. I
suppose they do get a few converts here and there, and feel getting doors
slammed in their face and angry reactions is something to be proud of. But,
the idea (from the bible) is pushing one's beliefs on others just pisses
them off. And they will "turn and rend you". Not sure what that means to be
rended by a pig (I thought rendering was what people did to pigs, to make
lard) but I have experienced writing about my beliefs and being attacked,
verbally (about me as a person) for this.
Even though it's on a discussion board, and about the "theme" of the
group. Not pushing it on anyone. people who don't want it and don't agree
have the choice not to read or post.
Not the same as going to homes and knocking on the door and pushing
it.

Post by Sidney Lambe
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

Sidney Lambe

2011-04-27 14:06:16 UTC

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

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Post by Carrie
http://youtu.be/zQGCRSNtDOc
http://youtu.be/W7_T9HrK5Ck

Don't feel like youtube. That's the one with the reeds that
you throw and a particular digraph is referenced in a book
with really nice, romantic, poetic 'readings'? Haven't seen
one of those attractive books in years.
Why use such indirect methods to view the future when you make
your futurer?

I really don't give a tinker's damn what it says in the Bible.
It is not a trustworthy document, being so confusing that
it has spawned, in today's world alone, over 30,000
officially recognized denominations, and who knows how
many orders, sects, and cults.

ACIM is much the same way.

The idea that the being that makes the physical universe
possible guided the creation of either is ludicrous.

The Nature of Personal Reality is not like that at all.
There is no ambiguity or inconsistency or contradictions
within it.

Post by Carrie
I was thinking of Christians and door to door religion pushers,
etc. I suppose they do get a few converts here and there, and
feel getting doors slammed in their face and angry reactions
is something to be proud of. But, the idea (from the bible) is
pushing one's beliefs on others just pisses them off. And they
will "turn and rend you". Not sure what that means to be rended
by a pig (I thought rendering was what people did to pigs, to
make lard) but I have experienced writing about my beliefs and
being attacked, verbally (about me as a person) for this. Even
though it's on a discussion board, and about the "theme" of the
group. Not pushing it on anyone. people who don't want it and
don't agree have the choice not to read or post. Not the same
as going to homes and knocking on the door and pushing it.

What do you think a newsgroup or website is, but attempts to
convert people?

Carrie

2011-04-27 13:23:16 UTC

Post by Sidney Lambe
What do you think a newsgroup or website is, but attempts to
convert people?

There seems to be basically you and me on this one, are you trying to
convert me? I'm not trying to convert you, or anyone else. I'm a strong
believer in personal freedom.
And I don't "go by" the bible (if nothing else, it was written thousands
of years ago, and translated and retranslated and even if it was still
totally accurate after all that, it woudln't really relate to much today)
but I do notice and give attention to anything, from any place that makes
sense to me. The bible quote about the pearls before swine makes sense.

Sidney Lambe

2011-04-27 14:31:36 UTC

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
What do you think a newsgroup or website is, but attempts to
convert people?

There seems to be basically you and me on this one, are you
trying to convert me?

No. I don't try to convert anyone. I express my honest opininos.

Post by Carrie
I'm not trying to convert you, or anyone

else.

Okay.

Post by Carrie
I'm a strong believer in personal freedom.

Are you trying to force your ideas of personal freedom on peopld?

:_)

Post by Carrie
And I don't "go by" the bible

You go by ACIM, which is just another denomination of .
Christianity One that isn't honest enough to be up front about .
it .

Post by Carrie
(if nothing else, it was written thousands of years ago, and
translated and retranslated and even if it was still totally
accurate after all that, it woudln't really relate to much
today) but I do notice and give attention to anything, from any
place that makes sense to me. The bible quote about the pearls
before swine makes sense.

You can think and do whatever you want.

And I will think and do whatever I want.

I think ACIM stinks as badly as the other versions of
Christianity.

Are you trying to step on my personal freedom by telling
me I can't let people know what I think?

:-)

Carrie

2011-04-27 15:18:24 UTC

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
What do you think a newsgroup or website is, but attempts to
convert people?

There seems to be basically you and me on this one, are you
trying to convert me?

No. I don't try to convert anyone. I express my honest opininos.

Post by Carrie
I'm not trying to convert you, or anyone

else.
Okay.

Post by Carrie
I'm a strong believer in personal freedom.

Are you trying to force your ideas of personal freedom on peopld?

I don't think this is logical. Believing in personal freedom is more
allowing, like a personal choice. But I suppose you could see it that way if
you want to.

Post by Carrie
And I don't "go by" the bible

You go by ACIM, which is just another denomination of .
Christianity One that isn't honest enough to be up front about .
it

I don't "go by" ACIM either. I go by my own feelings and Guidance.
Whatever that is based on at the time. If it agrees with what ACIM (I
believe it says) it does, if it doesn't it doesn't. Of course if you
believe I "go by" ACIM that is your perception and choice. I have thousands
of books around me and files on my computer. ACIM (and any based on this)
are only a small percent. I'm surprised you haven't realized by now that I
don't "go by" anyone or anything. And don't plan to. Well, jiust myself and
my own life and experiences and lessons.
.

You can think and do whatever you want.
And I will think and do whatever I want.
I think ACIM stinks as badly as the other versions of
Christianity.

Well, I don't agree with you that ACIM is anything like Christianity.
The Christians put it down and are afraid of it. It doesn't teach there is
sin, Jesus died for our sins and we need to be "saved". And we are all One
(in Truth) and One with God. Which, seems to be what Jesus is quoted as
saying, too. They say it is a dangerous belief.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Are you trying to step on my personal freedom by telling
me I can't let people know what I think?

As usual, I'm attempting to have a discussion. Isn't that the point?

Post by Sidney Lambe
:-)
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

Sidney Lambe

2011-04-27 16:32:46 UTC

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe
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message

Post by Sidney Lambe
What do you think a newsgroup or website is, but attempts to
convert people?

There seems to be basically you and me on this one, are you
trying to convert me?

No. I don't try to convert anyone. I express my honest
opininos.

I'm not trying to convert you, or anyone

else.
Okay.

I'm a strong believer in personal freedom.

Are you trying to force your ideas of personal freedom on
peopld?

I don't think this is logical. Believing in personal
freedom is more allowing, like a personal choice. But I suppose
you could see it that way if you want to.

And I don't "go by" the bible

You go by ACIM, which is just another denomination of .
Christianity One that isn't honest enough to be up front about
. it

I don't "go by" ACIM either. I go by my own feelings and
Guidance. Whatever that is based on at the time. If it agrees
with what ACIM (I believe it says) it does, if it doesn't it
doesn't. Of course if you believe I "go by" ACIM that is your
perception and choice. I have thousands of books around me and
files on my computer. ACIM (and any based on this) are only a
small percent. I'm surprised you haven't realized by now that
I don't "go by" anyone or anything. And don't plan to. Well,
jiust myself and my own life and experiences and lessons. .

(if nothing else, it was written thousands of years ago, and
translated and retranslated and even if it was still totally
accurate after all that, it woudln't really relate to much
today) but I do notice and give attention to anything, from
any place that makes sense to me. The bible quote about the
pearls before swine makes sense.

You can think and do whatever you want.
And I will think and do whatever I want.
I think ACIM stinks as badly as the other versions of
Christianity.

Well, I don't agree with you that ACIM is anything like
Christianity. The Christians put it down and are afraid of it.
It doesn't teach there is sin, Jesus died for our sins and we
need to be "saved". And we are all One (in Truth) and One with
God. Which, seems to be what Jesus is quoted as saying, too.
They say it is a dangerous belief.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Are you trying to step on my personal freedom by telling me I
can't let people know what I think?

As usual, I'm attempting to have a discussion. Isn't that the point?

Whatever my purpose is, there is no need for me to tell you about
it. It doesn't require your cooperation. You cannot interfere.

I guess this is a discussion.....??

:-)

Carrie

2011-04-27 16:00:29 UTC

Post by Sidney Lambe
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message

Post by Sidney Lambe
What do you think a newsgroup or website is, but attempts to
convert people?

There seems to be basically you and me on this one, are you
trying to convert me?

No. I don't try to convert anyone. I express my honest
opininos.

I'm not trying to convert you, or anyone

else.
Okay.

I'm a strong believer in personal freedom.

Are you trying to force your ideas of personal freedom on
peopld?

I don't think this is logical. Believing in personal
freedom is more allowing, like a personal choice. But I suppose
you could see it that way if you want to.

And I don't "go by" the bible

You go by ACIM, which is just another denomination of .
Christianity One that isn't honest enough to be up front about
. it

I don't "go by" ACIM either. I go by my own feelings and
Guidance. Whatever that is based on at the time. If it agrees
with what ACIM (I believe it says) it does, if it doesn't it
doesn't. Of course if you believe I "go by" ACIM that is your
perception and choice. I have thousands of books around me and
files on my computer. ACIM (and any based on this) are only a
small percent. I'm surprised you haven't realized by now that
I don't "go by" anyone or anything. And don't plan to. Well,
jiust myself and my own life and experiences and lessons. .

You can think and do whatever you want.
And I will think and do whatever I want.
I think ACIM stinks as badly as the other versions of
Christianity.

Well, I don't agree with you that ACIM is anything like
Christianity. The Christians put it down and are afraid of it.
It doesn't teach there is sin, Jesus died for our sins and we
need to be "saved". And we are all One (in Truth) and One with
God. Which, seems to be what Jesus is quoted as saying, too.
They say it is a dangerous belief.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Are you trying to step on my personal freedom by telling me I
can't let people know what I think?

As usual, I'm attempting to have a discussion. Isn't that the point?

Whatever my purpose is, there is no need for me to tell you about
it. It doesn't require your cooperation. You cannot interfere.
I guess this is a discussion.....??

I'm attempting to answer you and respond not interfere with what you say.
I was thinking, I wrote that I have thousands of books and only a small
percent ACIM/based, but also that I don't just like, accept and agree with
every teacher. Most of them I don't. Either don't agree with, or think they
say anything of value (though some seem to get this from them) Names that
come to mine off hand are Caroline Myss and Echart Tolle. And, of course
"Raj" channeled by Paul Tuttle who claims he wrote ACIM but doesn't usually
speak anything that sounds like it. But some get a lot from it, to the point
of donating and supporting large amounts of money (buying them a new
expensive home almost a year ago.) To me the main purpose of Paul Tuttle/Raj
and his "foundation" is to solict donations and collect money to run his
"foundation". But, he's good a good thing going and some seem to get
something good from it, and it's their money.
Anyway, I don't just go along with what some teacher says, I might agree
or agree with some of it, or not, but I always come from "me". Obviously,
you do that with yourself, too. Why would anyone want to be otherwise or
want someone else to be otherwise?
I probably used to be more into pointing out what I felt was right and
wrong and such, but have decided people have to make their own choices and
learn in their own time and way.
And if they want to pay for this, it's their money...

Sidney Lambe

2011-04-27 19:54:23 UTC

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Post by Sidney Lambe
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message

Post by Sidney Lambe
What do you think a newsgroup or website is, but attempts
to convert people?

There seems to be basically you and me on this one, are
you trying to convert me?

No. I don't try to convert anyone. I express my honest
opininos.

I'm not trying to convert you, or anyone

else.
Okay.

I'm a strong believer in personal freedom.

Are you trying to force your ideas of personal freedom on
peopld?

I don't think this is logical. Believing in personal
freedom is more allowing, like a personal choice. But I
suppose you could see it that way if you want to.

And I don't "go by" the bible

You go by ACIM, which is just another denomination of .
Christianity One that isn't honest enough to be up front
about . it

I don't "go by" ACIM either. I go by my own feelings and
Guidance. Whatever that is based on at the time. If it agrees
with what ACIM (I believe it says) it does, if it doesn't it
doesn't. Of course if you believe I "go by" ACIM that is your
perception and choice. I have thousands of books around me
and files on my computer. ACIM (and any based on this) are
only a small percent. I'm surprised you haven't realized by
now that I don't "go by" anyone or anything. And don't plan
to. Well, jiust myself and my own life and experiences and
lessons. .

(if nothing else, it was written thousands of years ago,
and translated and retranslated and even if it was still
totally accurate after all that, it woudln't really relate
to much today) but I do notice and give attention to
anything, from any place that makes sense to me. The bible
quote about the pearls before swine makes sense.

You can think and do whatever you want.
And I will think and do whatever I want.
I think ACIM stinks as badly as the other versions of
Christianity.

Well, I don't agree with you that ACIM is anything like
Christianity. The Christians put it down and are afraid of
it. It doesn't teach there is sin, Jesus died for our sins
and we need to be "saved". And we are all One (in Truth) and
One with God. Which, seems to be what Jesus is quoted as
saying, too. They say it is a dangerous belief.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Are you trying to step on my personal freedom by telling me
I can't let people know what I think?

As usual, I'm attempting to have a discussion. Isn't
that the point?

Whatever my purpose is, there is no need for me to tell you
about it. It doesn't require your cooperation. You cannot
interfere.
I guess this is a discussion.....??

I'm attempting to answer you and respond not interfere with
what you say. I was thinking, I wrote that I have thousands
of books and only a small percent ACIM/based, but also that
I don't just like, accept and agree with every teacher. Most
of them I don't. Either don't agree with, or think they say
anything of value (though some seem to get this from them)
Names that come to mine off hand are Caroline Myss and Echart
Tolle. And, of course "Raj" channeled by Paul Tuttle who
claims he wrote ACIM but doesn't usually speak anything that
sounds like it. But some get a lot from it, to the point of
donating and supporting large amounts of money (buying them a
new expensive home almost a year ago.) To me the main purpose
of Paul Tuttle/Raj and his "foundation" is to solict donations
and collect money to run his "foundation". But, he's good a
good thing going and some seem to get something good from it,
and it's their money. Anyway, I don't just go along with what
some teacher says, I might agree or agree with some of it, or
not, but I always come from "me". Obviously, you do that with
yourself, too. Why would anyone want to be otherwise or want
someone else to be otherwise? I probably used to be more into
pointing out what I felt was right and wrong and such, but have
decided people have to make their own choices and learn in
their own time and way. And if they want to pay for this, it's
their money...

I have nothing against prosperity.

But I do have someohing against the kind of intellectual dishonesty
that allows a person to cherrypick from a document, even if what
they are choosing to ignore is a corollary of something they have
chosen to accept.

Carrie

2011-04-27 20:59:21 UTC

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Post by Sidney Lambe
What do you think a newsgroup or website is, but attempts
to convert people?

There seems to be basically you and me on this one, are
you trying to convert me?

No. I don't try to convert anyone. I express my honest
opininos.

I'm not trying to convert you, or anyone

else.
Okay.

I'm a strong believer in personal freedom.

Are you trying to force your ideas of personal freedom on
peopld?

I don't think this is logical. Believing in personal
freedom is more allowing, like a personal choice. But I
suppose you could see it that way if you want to.

And I don't "go by" the bible

You go by ACIM, which is just another denomination of .
Christianity One that isn't honest enough to be up front
about . it

I don't "go by" ACIM either. I go by my own feelings and
Guidance. Whatever that is based on at the time. If it agrees
with what ACIM (I believe it says) it does, if it doesn't it
doesn't. Of course if you believe I "go by" ACIM that is your
perception and choice. I have thousands of books around me
and files on my computer. ACIM (and any based on this) are
only a small percent. I'm surprised you haven't realized by
now that I don't "go by" anyone or anything. And don't plan
to. Well, jiust myself and my own life and experiences and
lessons. .