Discussion:
Chance meeting
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HappyMike
2010-02-13 18:39:48 UTC
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The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
MikeRyder
2010-02-13 21:46:04 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:39:48 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
You can always get rid of your sanctimonious self-righteousness.

lol
maz
2010-02-13 22:48:41 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
You can always get rid of your sanctimonious self-righteousness.
lol
yes, if you are ano-ryder, for sure!
HappyMike
2010-02-14 01:34:53 UTC
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Post by maz
Post by MikeRyder
You can always get rid of your sanctimonious self-righteousness.
lol
yes, if you are ano-ryder, for sure!
A happyMike and an unhappyMike contain the same number of particles.
Structurally, there's no discernible difference. But in reality we are
unquantifiable abstracts.
MikeRyder
2010-02-14 01:52:29 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:34:53 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by maz
Post by MikeRyder
You can always get rid of your sanctimonious self-righteousness.
lol
yes, if you are ano-ryder, for sure!
A happyMike and an unhappyMike contain the same number of particles.
Structurally, there's no discernible difference. But in reality we are
unquantifiable abstracts.
That screwball "logic" is very typical of an "advanced' acimer. Try
living your life as a human being. There's no "unquantifiable
abstract" there.

lol
HappyMike
2010-02-14 13:18:04 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:34:53 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by maz
Post by MikeRyder
You can always get rid of your sanctimonious self-righteousness.
lol
yes, if you are ano-ryder, for sure!
A happyMike and an unhappyMike contain the same number of particles.
Structurally, there's no discernible difference. But in reality we are
unquantifiable abstracts.
That screwball "logic" is very typical of an "advanced' acimer. Try
living your life as a human being. There's no "unquantifiable
abstract" there.
lol
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human" experience
is very overrated, and in fact much to do about nothing.
MikeRyder
2010-02-14 21:18:06 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 05:18:04 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:34:53 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by maz
Post by MikeRyder
You can always get rid of your sanctimonious self-righteousness.
lol
yes, if you are ano-ryder, for sure!
A happyMike and an unhappyMike contain the same number of particles.
Structurally, there's no discernible difference. But in reality we are
unquantifiable abstracts.
That screwball "logic" is very typical of an "advanced' acimer. Try
living your life as a human being. There's no "unquantifiable
abstract" there.
lol
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human" experience
is very overrated, and in fact much to do about nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years ago
in Australia, right before she killed herself.
HappyMike
2010-02-15 01:15:25 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 05:18:04 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:34:53 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by maz
Post by MikeRyder
You can always get rid of your sanctimonious self-righteousness.
lol
yes, if you are ano-ryder, for sure!
A happyMike and an unhappyMike contain the same number of particles.
Structurally, there's no discernible difference. But in reality we are
unquantifiable abstracts.
That screwball "logic" is very typical of an "advanced' acimer. Try
living your life as a human being. There's no "unquantifiable
abstract" there.
lol
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human" experience
is very overrated, and in fact much to do about nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years ago
in Australia, right before she killed herself.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike Nothing ever ends.
expires
2010-02-15 01:38:34 UTC
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On Mon Feb 15 2010 02:15:25 GMT+0100
[...]
Post by HappyMike
Nothing ends, unhappyMike Nothing ever ends.
Are you afraid that your fake
happyMike-Show will end? I bet
it will, sooner or later. No, I
don't care how long it lasts, or
not lasts. It's trivial *anyway*,
just as trivial as my posting :)
--expires
HappyMike
2010-02-15 14:45:07 UTC
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Post by expires
On Mon Feb 15 2010 02:15:25 GMT+0100
[...]
Post by HappyMike
Nothing ends, unhappyMike Nothing ever ends.
Are you afraid that your fake
happyMike-Show will end? I bet
it will, sooner or later. No, I
don't care how long it lasts, or
not lasts. It's trivial *anyway*,
just as trivial as my posting :)
--expires
Why would I be afraid that it will end?
If it is nothing, it will end.
Mike
2010-03-08 19:13:47 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
Post by expires
On Mon Feb 15 2010 02:15:25 GMT+0100
[...]
Post by HappyMike
Nothing ends, unhappyMike Nothing ever ends.
Are you afraid that your fake
happyMike-Show will end? I bet
it will, sooner or later. No, I
don't care how long it lasts, or
not lasts. It's trivial *anyway*,
just as trivial as my posting :)
--expires
Why would I be afraid that it will end?
If it is nothing, it will end.
If it is nothing then it never was, has no beginning and no ending.
Deborah
2010-03-09 07:04:34 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by HappyMike
Post by expires
On Mon Feb 15 2010 02:15:25 GMT+0100
[...]
Post by HappyMike
Nothing ends, unhappyMike Nothing ever ends.
Are you afraid that your fake
happyMike-Show will end? I bet
it will, sooner or later. No, I
don't care how long it lasts, or
not lasts. It's trivial *anyway*,
just as trivial as my posting :)
--expires
Why would I be afraid that it will end?
If it is nothing, it will end.
If it is nothing then it never was, has no beginning and no ending.
Eternity has no beginning and no ending. Time does.

It is just that time can not come to encroach upon eternity, so it is,
in terms of eternity, nothing. Just a blip. A hiccup.

Deborah (BC)
HappyMike
2010-03-09 15:17:24 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
Post by expires
On Mon Feb 15 2010 02:15:25 GMT+0100
[...]
Post by HappyMike
Nothing ends, unhappyMike Nothing ever ends.
Are you afraid that your fake
happyMike-Show will end? I bet
it will, sooner or later. No, I
don't care how long it lasts, or
not lasts. It's trivial *anyway*,
just as trivial as my posting :)
--expires
Why would I be afraid that it will end?
If it is nothing, it will end.
  If it is nothing then it never was, has no beginning and no ending.
Yes thats a better way to put it. It never did begin.

Pieter
2010-02-15 11:05:43 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 05:18:04 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human" experience
is very overrated, and in fact much to do about nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years ago
in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
expires
2010-02-15 11:49:23 UTC
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On Mon Feb 15 2010 12:05:43 GMT+0100
Pieter, a false self he believes,
therefore unreal to himself, wrote
nothing he *really* *knows* (yet):
r***@tahoe.blue
2010-02-15 14:36:32 UTC
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Post by Pieter
Post by MikeRyder
Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human" experience
is very overrated, and in fact much to do about nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years ago
in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
It's been awhile for me, but this seems to play right into the hands
of those who would paint students of the Course as "cold". To argue
Perfection, while believing otherwise, is (at the very least)
intellectually dishonest. I think we all have/ read the Course and
know what its words say, but if we truly believed them, we would have
no need of them.

The Course does teach the illusory nature of the body, but if that
meant <anything> to us, we'd stop stuffing big macs into our pie
holes. Why feed something which does not exist? Doesn't matter that a
body "dies"? Who among us would not pull a child (or an adult, for
that matter) out of the way of an on-coming car? Why: If it means
nothing?

We have the opportunity to see the depth of our pain and alienation in
the young woman.The psychotherapy pamphlet says the therapist sees
that which needs to be healed in him- or herself in the patient. The
woman is showing us something and there are those among us who would
splash pink paint on it and say, "Nothing to see here; move on".

Unlike the example of Jesus on the cross, the young woman was
demonstrating for us our belief in the crucifixion, not the
resurrection. Until we face our unbending belief in the crucifixion,
we never get to the resurrection, no matter what pretty words spill
from our lips.

As to the overrated nature of human experience...

I can understand this point of view from an ego standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a "shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose which.

Richard
Tom
2010-02-15 15:19:09 UTC
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Post by r***@tahoe.blue
Post by Pieter
Post by MikeRyder
Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human" experience
is very overrated, and in fact much to do about nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years ago
in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
It's been awhile for me, but this seems to play right into the hands
of those who would paint students of the Course as "cold". To argue
Perfection, while believing otherwise, is (at the very least)
intellectually dishonest. I think we all have/ read the Course and
know what its words say, but if we truly believed them, we would have
no need of them.
The Course does teach the illusory nature of the body, but if that
meant <anything> to us, we'd stop stuffing big macs into our pie
holes. Why feed something which does not exist? Doesn't matter that a
body "dies"? Who among us would not pull a child (or an adult, for
that matter) out of the way of an on-coming car? Why: If it means
nothing?
We have the opportunity to see the depth of our pain and alienation in
the young woman.The psychotherapy pamphlet says the therapist sees
that which needs to be healed in him- or herself in the patient. The
woman is showing us something and there are those among us who would
splash pink paint on it and say, "Nothing to see here; move on".
Unlike the example of Jesus on the cross, the young woman was
demonstrating for us our belief in the crucifixion, not the
resurrection. Until we face our unbending belief in the crucifixion,
we never get to the resurrection, no matter what pretty words spill
from our lips.
As to the overrated nature of human experience...
I can understand this point of view from an ego standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a "shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose which.
Richard
"Royal Road to Heaven"? This is not a Course concept. The Course As
I Read It (CAIRI) states that this IS Heaven. Heaven is right here,
right now. Sometimes it may seem like a road, but not today.
Tom
2010-02-15 18:51:29 UTC
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"The Son of God, who sleepeth not, has kept faith with his Father for
you. There is no road to travel on, and no time to travel through.
For God waits not for His Son in time, being forever unwilling to be
without him. And so it has always been." Text T-13.I.7.2-5
 "Royal Road to Heaven"?  This is not a Course concept.  The Course As
I Read It (CAIRI) states that this IS Heaven.  Heaven is right here,
right now.  Sometimes it may seem like a road, but not today.
Sharon
2010-02-17 22:35:47 UTC
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"Tom" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:a8f8a9c9-3ad5-4911-9530-***@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
"The Son of God, who sleepeth not, has kept faith with his
Father for
you. There is no road to travel on, and no time to travel
through.
For God waits not for His Son in time, being forever
unwilling to be
without him. And so it has always been." Text T-13.I.7.2-5



"When you come to the place where the branch in the road is
quite apparent, you cannot go ahead. You must go either one
way or the other." T-22.IV.1





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Sharon
2010-02-17 23:20:20 UTC
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-----------> > "The Son of God, who sleepeth not, has kept
faith with his
Post by Tom
Father for
you. There is no road to travel on, and no time to travel
through.
For God waits not for His Son in time, being forever
unwilling to be
without him. And so it has always been." Text T-13.I.7.2-5
-------------> "When you come to the place where the branch
in the road is
Post by Tom
quite apparent, you cannot go ahead. You must go either
one way or the other." T-22.IV.1
....And here we have two beautiful examples of the levels
presented in ACIM!



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expires
2010-02-18 09:27:49 UTC
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On Thu Feb 18 2010 00:20:20 GMT+0100
-----------> "The Son of God, who sleepeth not,
has kept faith with his Father for you. There
is no road to travel on, and no time to travel
through. For God waits not for His Son in time,
being forever unwilling to be without him. And
so it has always been." Text T-13.I.7.2-5
-------------> "When you come to the place
where the branch in the road is quite apparent,
you cannot go ahead. You must go either one way
or the other." T-22.IV.1
.....And here we have two beautiful examples of
the levels presented in ACIM!
Really? Perhaps, although it does appear
unlogical/inconsistent to me, that the
level with "the branch in the road" is
in chapter 22, long after the level with
"no road to travel on" in chapter 13??!!
--expires
Tom
2010-02-18 17:59:26 UTC
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Post by Tom
"The Son of God, who sleepeth not, has kept faith with his
Father for
you.  There is no road to travel on, and no time to travel
through.
For God waits not for His Son in time, being forever
unwilling to be
without him. And so it has always been." Text T-13.I.7.2-5
"When you come to the place where the branch in the road is
quite apparent, you cannot go ahead. You must go either one
way or the other."  T-22.IV.1
Hi Sharon! Glad to see you again after all this time, such as it
was. I see your anti-smartass medication prescription expired again.

<smooch>

Tom
Sharon
2010-02-18 19:19:58 UTC
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Post by Tom
"The Son of God, who sleepeth not, has kept faith with his
Father for
you. There is no road to travel on, and no time to travel
through.
For God waits not for His Son in time, being forever
unwilling to be
without him. And so it has always been." Text T-13.I.7.2-5
"When you come to the place where the branch in the road
is
quite apparent, you cannot go ahead. You must go either
one
way or the other." T-22.IV.1
Hi Sharon! Glad to see you again after all this time, such
as it
was. I see your anti-smartass medication prescription
expired again.


LOL..good one! Yeah, I may be a smartass...but I hope you
know I still love ya. I was just thinking the other day..
you all practically seem like family to me. It's been 15
years since I have been reading this group! Good to talk
with you again, Tom..

<smooch>

((kisses))


~Sharon





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ellie
2010-02-18 19:29:34 UTC
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Post by Tom
"The Son of God, who sleepeth not, has kept faith with his
Father for
you. There is no road to travel on, and no time to travel
through.
For God waits not for His Son in time, being forever
unwilling to be
without him. And so it has always been." Text T-13.I.7.2-5
"When you come to the place where the branch in the road
is
quite apparent, you cannot go ahead. You must go either
one
way or the other." T-22.IV.1
Hi Sharon!  Glad to see you again after all this time, such
as it
was.  I see your anti-smartass medication prescription
expired again.
LOL..good one!  Yeah,  I may be a smartass...but I hope you
know I still love ya.   I was just thinking the other day..
you all practically seem like family to me.  It's been 15
years since I have been reading this group!    Good to talk
with you again, Tom..
<smooch>
((kisses))
~Sharon
Hey Sharon. :)
Sharon
2010-02-18 21:04:41 UTC
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Hey Elle! Good to see you! . How are you doing?
Post by Tom
"The Son of God, who sleepeth not, has kept faith with
his
Father for
you. There is no road to travel on, and no time to
travel
through.
For God waits not for His Son in time, being forever
unwilling to be
without him. And so it has always been." Text
T-13.I.7.2-5
"When you come to the place where the branch in the road
is
quite apparent, you cannot go ahead. You must go either
one
way or the other." T-22.IV.1
Hi Sharon! Glad to see you again after all this time, such
as it
was. I see your anti-smartass medication prescription
expired again.
LOL..good one! Yeah, I may be a smartass...but I hope you
know I still love ya. I was just thinking the other day..
you all practically seem like family to me. It's been 15
years since I have been reading this group! Good to talk
with you again, Tom..
<smooch>
((kisses))
~Sharon
Hey Sharon. :)



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ellie
2010-02-20 18:35:07 UTC
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Doing well. Got a day off with pay this week so it has been a 4 day
weekend. How are you and the family doing? My son and family are
vacationing in FL right now.
Sharon
2010-02-20 23:25:19 UTC
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Glad to hear your are doing good ) All is well here. Hubby
is good, kids are fine. All of them are grown up now.
Just have my 19 yro living at home atm. So.. getting alot
of free time to myself these days. Good to talk with you
again elle ..! -

~Sharon
Hey Elle! Good to see you! . How are you doing?"ellie"
Doing well. Got a day off with pay this week so it has been
a 4 day
weekend. How are you and the family doing? My son and
family are
vacationing in FL right now.



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Deborah
2010-02-15 19:05:13 UTC
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Post by Tom
"Royal Road to Heaven"? This is not a Course concept. The Course As
I Read It (CAIRI) states that this IS Heaven. Heaven is right here,
right now. Sometimes it may seem like a road, but not today.
No it doesn't say "this" is heaven. It says heaven is here, heaven is
now, where else would it be? But that simply means that despite the
miscreations we used to obscure reality, we have not succeeded in
destroying it. It most certainly does not mean that our miscreations
are heaven.

Deborah (BC)
Tom
2010-02-15 19:22:05 UTC
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"Royal Road to Heaven"?  This is not a Course concept.  The Course As
I Read It (CAIRI) states that this IS Heaven.  Heaven is right here,
right now.  Sometimes it may seem like a road, but not today.
No it doesn't say "this" is heaven.  It says heaven is here, heaven is
now, where else would it be?  But that simply means that despite the
miscreations we used to obscure reality, we have not succeeded in
destroying it.  It most certainly does not mean that our miscreations
are heaven.
Deborah (BC)
I am totally surprised that you do not perceive yourself to be in
heaven.

Not my fault, but go ahead and forgive me anyway.
Deborah
2010-02-15 19:43:42 UTC
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Post by Tom
"Royal Road to Heaven"?  This is not a Course concept.  The Course As
I Read It (CAIRI) states that this IS Heaven.  Heaven is right here,
right now.  Sometimes it may seem like a road, but not today.
No it doesn't say "this" is heaven.  It says heaven is here, heaven is
now, where else would it be?  But that simply means that despite the
miscreations we used to obscure reality, we have not succeeded in
destroying it.  It most certainly does not mean that our miscreations
are heaven.
Deborah (BC)
I am totally surprised that you do not perceive yourself to be in
heaven.
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven. Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.

Deborah (BC)
Post by Tom
Not my fault, but go ahead and forgive me anyway.
Tom
2010-02-15 20:01:42 UTC
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Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it. If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
Deborah
2010-02-15 20:04:50 UTC
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Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it. If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.

Deborah (BC)
Tom
2010-02-15 20:08:37 UTC
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Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it.  If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here. Heaven is now. This is it. If you don't see it,
choose again.

That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble. If you want to be right, I concede your
point.
Deborah
2010-02-15 20:38:54 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it.  If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here. Heaven is now. This is it. If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble. If you want to be right, I concede your
point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
Tom
2010-02-15 21:52:05 UTC
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Post by Deborah
Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it.  If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here.  Heaven is now.  This is it.  If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble.  If you want to be right, I concede your
point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."

I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that. Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him. I understand that Ken loves taking questions.

~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
Tom
2010-02-15 22:04:29 UTC
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Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it.  If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here.  Heaven is now.  This is it.  If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble.  If you want to be right, I concede your
point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that.  Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him.  I understand that Ken loves taking questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
So, anyway, not to minimize the cosmic proportions of the problem, but
God did not fall asleep and the Son of God did not fall asleep. It is
more like the little toe on the Son of God's left foot fell asleep and
you and I are hair follicles on that little sleeping toe. No big deal
overall. Barely a blip on the universal plan. It just seems like a
big deal to us, like 24 hours seems like a lifetime to a Mayfly.
Ephemeral except for the part that isn't, and that's the part to tend.
IS that what you are doing?
Deborah
2010-02-15 22:16:41 UTC
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Post by Deborah
Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it.  If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here.  Heaven is now.  This is it.  If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble.  If you want to be right, I concede your
point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that.  Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him.  I understand that Ken loves taking questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
So, anyway, not to minimize the cosmic proportions of the problem, but
God did not fall asleep and the Son of God did not fall asleep. It is
more like the little toe on the Son of God's left foot fell asleep and
you and I are hair follicles on that little sleeping toe. No big deal
overall. Barely a blip on the universal plan. It just seems like a
big deal to us, like 24 hours seems like a lifetime to a Mayfly.
Ephemeral except for the part that isn't, and that's the part to tend.
That part doesn't need any tending.
Post by Tom
IS that what you are doing?
Not necessary.

What I am doing is UNdoing the part that thinks it needs tending.

Deborah (BC)
Tom
2010-02-15 23:09:24 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Tom
Post by Deborah
Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it.  If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here.  Heaven is now.  This is it.  If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble.  If you want to be right, I concede your
point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that.  Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him.  I understand that Ken loves taking questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
So, anyway, not to minimize the cosmic proportions of the problem, but
God did not fall asleep and the Son of God did not fall asleep. It is
more like the little toe on the Son of God's left foot fell asleep and
you and I are hair follicles on that little sleeping toe.  No big deal
overall.  Barely a blip on the universal plan.  It just seems like a
big deal to us, like 24 hours seems like a lifetime to a Mayfly.
Ephemeral except for the part that isn't, and that's the part to tend.
That part doesn't need any tending.
Post by Tom
IS that what you are doing?
Not necessary.
What I am doing is UNdoing the part that thinks it needs tending.
Deborah (BC)
I have no idea what you are doing.
Deborah
2010-02-15 22:06:50 UTC
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Post by Deborah
Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it.  If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here.  Heaven is now.  This is it.  If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble.  If you want to be right, I concede your
point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that. Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him. I understand that Ken loves taking questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
No you're not. You're too pompous sometimes. Your quote amounts to
exactly the same thing I said - that our miscreations can obscure
reality but can't destroy it. It's the same thing as saying "I am not
a body, I am free, for I am still as God created me".

Richards point was "Who believes it? If you believe it why do you
still shove Big Macs into your pie-hole?"

If you want to talk to Richard, talk to Richard. So far you've been
talking to me.

Deborah (BC)
Tom
2010-02-16 00:11:23 UTC
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Post by Deborah
Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it.  If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here.  Heaven is now.  This is it.  If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble.  If you want to be right, I concede your
point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that.  Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him.  I understand that Ken loves taking questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
No you're not.  You're too pompous sometimes.  Your quote amounts to
exactly the same thing I said -  that our miscreations can obscure
reality but can't destroy it.  It's the same thing as saying "I am not
a body, I am free, for I am still as God created me".
Richards point was "Who believes it?  If you believe it why do you
still shove Big Macs into your pie-hole?"
If you want to talk to Richard, talk to Richard.  So far you've been
talking to me.
Deborah (BC)
~ It's been so long since I've read the word 'pompous' that I had to
look it up to be sure what it meant.
Tom
2010-02-16 00:25:01 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Deborah
Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.  Heaven is in the realm
of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as spokesperson for
the whole world and every living thing in it.  If you were to say
"Deborah does not perceive herself to be in heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm speaking
in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here.  Heaven is now.  This is it.  If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble.  If you want to be right, I concede your
point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that.  Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him.  I understand that Ken loves taking questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
No you're not.  You're too pompous sometimes.  Your quote amounts to
exactly the same thing I said -  that our miscreations can obscure
reality but can't destroy it.  It's the same thing as saying "I am not
a body, I am free, for I am still as God created me".
Richards point was "Who believes it?  If you believe it why do you
still shove Big Macs into your pie-hole?"
If you want to talk to Richard, talk to Richard.  So far you've been
talking to me.
Deborah (BC)
~ It's been so long since I've read the word 'pompous' that I had to
look it up to be sure what it meant.
~ So, you're saying that I am grandiloquent or bombastic?

~ That is a definite curiosity. I've never really thought of myself
as overly wordy and formal.

~ Not a good as the time someone called me a high school educated
prick. That was both weird and hilarious at the same time.
Carrie
2010-02-16 00:47:17 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:01:42 -0800 (PST), Tom
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven. Heaven is in
the realm of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as
spokesperson for the whole world and every living thing in it.
If you were to say "Deborah does not perceive herself to be in
heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm
speaking in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here. Heaven is now. This is it. If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble. If you want to be right, I concede
your point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God,
who sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole
in Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that
Richard might like to know that. Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the
next time he sees him. I understand that Ken loves taking
questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
No you're not. You're too pompous sometimes. Your quote amounts to
exactly the same thing I said - that our miscreations can obscure
reality but can't destroy it. It's the same thing as saying "I am
not a body, I am free, for I am still as God created me".
Richards point was "Who believes it? If you believe it why do you
still shove Big Macs into your pie-hole?"
If you want to talk to Richard, talk to Richard. So far you've been
talking to me.
Deborah (BC)
~ It's been so long since I've read the word 'pompous' that I had to
look it up to be sure what it meant.
~ So, you're saying that I am grandiloquent or bombastic?
~ That is a definite curiosity. I've never really thought of myself
as overly wordy and formal.
~ Not a good as the time someone called me a high school educated
prick. That was both weird and hilarious at the same time.
Pompous is one of those words people sometimes throw around without
really knowing what it means. But it sounds like whatever they mean.
Carrie
2010-02-16 00:46:21 UTC
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Post by Tom
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Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven. Heaven is in
the realm of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as
spokesperson for the whole world and every living thing in it.
If you were to say "Deborah does not perceive herself to be in
heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm
speaking in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here. Heaven is now. This is it. If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble. If you want to be right, I concede
your point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that. Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him. I understand that Ken loves taking questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
No you're not. You're too pompous sometimes. Your quote amounts to
exactly the same thing I said - that our miscreations can obscure
reality but can't destroy it. It's the same thing as saying "I am not
a body, I am free, for I am still as God created me".
Richards point was "Who believes it? If you believe it why do you
still shove Big Macs into your pie-hole?"
If you want to talk to Richard, talk to Richard. So far you've been
talking to me.
Deborah (BC)
~ It's been so long since I've read the word 'pompous' that I had to
look it up to be sure what it meant.
Was the definition "Tom Fox" ? (LOL)
Tom
2010-02-16 00:49:31 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Deborah
Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven. Heaven is in
the realm of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as
spokesperson for the whole world and every living thing in it.
If you were to say "Deborah does not perceive herself to be in
heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm
speaking in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here. Heaven is now. This is it. If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble. If you want to be right, I concede
your point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that. Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him. I understand that Ken loves taking questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
No you're not. You're too pompous sometimes. Your quote amounts to
exactly the same thing I said - that our miscreations can obscure
reality but can't destroy it. It's the same thing as saying "I am not
a body, I am free, for I am still as God created me".
Richards point was "Who believes it? If you believe it why do you
still shove Big Macs into your pie-hole?"
If you want to talk to Richard, talk to Richard. So far you've been
talking to me.
Deborah (BC)
~ It's been so long since I've read the word 'pompous' that I had to
look it up to be sure what it meant.
   Was the definition "Tom Fox" ? (LOL)
Nope.


1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity;
pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous
occasion.
Carrie
2010-02-16 13:24:21 UTC
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Post by Carrie
Was the definition "Tom Fox" ? (LOL)
Nope.
1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity;
pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous
occasion.
I was only joking. The fact you didn't see that (or didn't want to)
does seem kind of "pompous" (or maybe uptight is a better word)
But then, maybe you were only joking in return. Sometimes it's hard to
tell when it's just words printed on a computer screen.
Tom
2010-02-16 15:35:20 UTC
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Post by Carrie
Was the definition "Tom Fox" ? (LOL)
Nope.
1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity;
pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous
occasion.
    I was only joking.  The fact you didn't see that (or didn't want to)
does seem kind of "pompous" (or maybe uptight is a better word)
   But then, maybe you were only joking in return. Sometimes it's hard to
tell when it's just words printed on a computer screen.
You've hedged all your bets and covered all bases very neatly, but I
admits that I was wrong not to even consider the possibility that you
were joking. You seem so serious.
Tom
2010-02-16 15:47:23 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Carrie
Was the definition "Tom Fox" ? (LOL)
Nope.
1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity;
pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous
occasion.
    I was only joking.  The fact you didn't see that (or didn't want to)
does seem kind of "pompous" (or maybe uptight is a better word)
   But then, maybe you were only joking in return. Sometimes it's hard to
tell when it's just words printed on a computer screen.
You've hedged all your bets and covered all bases very neatly, but I
admits that I was wrong not to even consider the possibility that you
were joking.  You seem so serious.
But the subtext to Deborah was along the line that those who get picky
about the precise use of terminology ought to be careful not to make
the same mistake that they criticize. I reckon that loose speech is
fun sometimes. Speaking personally.
Carrie
2010-02-16 18:26:14 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Tom
Post by Carrie
Was the definition "Tom Fox" ? (LOL)
Nope.
1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity;
pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous
proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous
occasion.
I was only joking. The fact you didn't see that (or didn't want to)
does seem kind of "pompous" (or maybe uptight is a better word)
But then, maybe you were only joking in return. Sometimes it's hard
to tell when it's just words printed on a computer screen.
You've hedged all your bets and covered all bases very neatly, but I
admits that I was wrong not to even consider the possibility that you
were joking. You seem so serious.
But the subtext to Deborah was along the line that those who get picky
about the precise use of terminology ought to be careful not to make
the same mistake that they criticize. I reckon that loose speech is
fun sometimes. Speaking personally.
I see what you mean. And even if someone else is speaking loosely (or
hypcritically) doesn't mean we have to tie in with it (that way) and give
importance to it.
I currently know a couple who have borken up, after a lot of years, and
it's been rough (the breakup) one of them keeps texting the other and saying
mean stuff. The other has got so she ignores this. Finally he texts her "I'm
telling you AGAIN, I don't want any further contact from you!"
Yet it's been him doing the texting.
People do tend to have their own version of reality, and sometimes
"truth".
Carrie
2010-02-16 18:23:39 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Carrie
Was the definition "Tom Fox" ? (LOL)
Nope.
1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity;
pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous
occasion.
I was only joking. The fact you didn't see that (or didn't want to)
does seem kind of "pompous" (or maybe uptight is a better word)
But then, maybe you were only joking in return. Sometimes it's hard
to tell when it's just words printed on a computer screen.
You've hedged all your bets and covered all bases very neatly, but I
admits that I was wrong not to even consider the possibility that you
were joking. You seem so serious.
I think it's a Sagittarian trait. Saying something meant to be funny
with a straight face. Of course you can't see this on your screen, or the
twinkle that might be in my eye.
Like the fox says in "The Little Prince"... "words are a source of
misunderstanding".
And words on a computer screen, without the body cues, we usually go by
when interpreting them, can lead to misunderstandings all the more.
Something I don't always remember.
Carrie
2010-02-16 00:44:14 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Deborah
Post by Deborah
Post by Tom
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven. Heaven is in the
realm of knowledge, not perception.
~ Wow, you read one book and now think of yourself as
spokesperson for the whole world and every living thing in it.
If you were to say "Deborah does not perceive herself to be in
heaven," I'd believe it.
This ng is for people who are also reading that book, and I'm
speaking in the same terms it does.
Deborah (BC)
Heaven is here. Heaven is now. This is it. If you don't see it,
choose again.
That's the language of the Course as I read it, and I have no
explanation for your quibble. If you want to be right, I concede
your point.
My, how gracious of you ; )
~ My point, in case you missed it, is the quote "The Son of God, who
sleepeth not, has
kept faith with his Father for you."
I think that ""The Son of God, who sleepeth not," puts a big hole in
Wapnick's diagram of "how the Course says it is," and that Richard
might like to know that. Maybe he'll ask Ken about it the next time
he sees him. I understand that Ken loves taking questions.
~ I'm too obscure sometimes.
No you're not. You're too pompous sometimes. Your quote amounts to
exactly the same thing I said - that our miscreations can obscure
reality but can't destroy it. It's the same thing as saying "I am not
a body, I am free, for I am still as God created me".
Richards point was "Who believes it? If you believe it why do you
still shove Big Macs into your pie-hole?"
If you want to talk to Richard, talk to Richard. So far you've been
talking to me.
Deborah (BC)
A person can still eat, and live in a body, while at the same time know
it's not ALL there is.
Carrie
2010-02-16 00:41:59 UTC
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Post by Tom
"Royal Road to Heaven"? This is not a Course concept. The Course As
I Read It (CAIRI) states that this IS Heaven. Heaven is right here,
right now. Sometimes it may seem like a road, but not today.
No it doesn't say "this" is heaven. It says heaven is here, heaven
is now, where else would it be? But that simply means that despite
the miscreations we used to obscure reality, we have not succeeded
in destroying it. It most certainly does not mean that our
miscreations are heaven.
Deborah (BC)
I am totally surprised that you do not perceive yourself to be in
heaven.
Nobody "perceives" themselves to be in heaven.
How do you know this?
You are speaking for everyone else (who believes they are in bodies,
separate and disconnected from the Whole)?

Heaven is in the realm
Post by Deborah
of knowledge, not perception.
Deborah (BC)
Post by Tom
Not my fault, but go ahead and forgive me anyway.
Carrie
2010-02-16 00:40:12 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human"
experience is very overrated, and in fact much to do about
nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years
ago in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
It's been awhile for me, but this seems to play right into the hands
of those who would paint students of the Course as "cold". To argue
Perfection, while believing otherwise, is (at the very least)
intellectually dishonest. I think we all have/ read the Course and
know what its words say, but if we truly believed them, we would have
no need of them.
The Course does teach the illusory nature of the body, but if that
meant <anything> to us, we'd stop stuffing big macs into our pie
holes. Why feed something which does not exist? Doesn't matter that a
body "dies"? Who among us would not pull a child (or an adult, for
that matter) out of the way of an on-coming car? Why: If it means
nothing?
We have the opportunity to see the depth of our pain and alienation
in the young woman.The psychotherapy pamphlet says the therapist sees
that which needs to be healed in him- or herself in the patient. The
woman is showing us something and there are those among us who would
splash pink paint on it and say, "Nothing to see here; move on".
Unlike the example of Jesus on the cross, the young woman was
demonstrating for us our belief in the crucifixion, not the
resurrection. Until we face our unbending belief in the crucifixion,
we never get to the resurrection, no matter what pretty words spill
from our lips.
As to the overrated nature of human experience...
I can understand this point of view from an ego standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a "shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose which.
Richard
"Royal Road to Heaven"? This is not a Course concept. The Course As
I Read It (CAIRI) states that this IS Heaven. Heaven is right here,
right now. Sometimes it may seem like a road, but not today.
That's how I understand it, too. Heaven is a choice.
Carrie
2010-02-15 15:20:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
Post by Pieter
Post by MikeRyder
Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human"
experience is very overrated, and in fact much to do about
nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years
ago in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
It's been awhile for me, but this seems to play right into the hands
of those who would paint students of the Course as "cold". To argue
Perfection, while believing otherwise, is (at the very least)
intellectually dishonest. I think we all have/ read the Course and
know what its words say, but if we truly believed them, we would have
no need of them.
The Course does teach the illusory nature of the body, but if that
meant <anything> to us, we'd stop stuffing big macs into our pie
holes. Why feed something which does not exist? Doesn't matter that a
body "dies"? Who among us would not pull a child (or an adult, for
that matter) out of the way of an on-coming car? Why: If it means
nothing?
We have the opportunity to see the depth of our pain and alienation in
the young woman.The psychotherapy pamphlet says the therapist sees
that which needs to be healed in him- or herself in the patient. The
woman is showing us something and there are those among us who would
splash pink paint on it and say, "Nothing to see here; move on".
Unlike the example of Jesus on the cross, the young woman was
demonstrating for us our belief in the crucifixion, not the
resurrection. Until we face our unbending belief in the crucifixion,
we never get to the resurrection, no matter what pretty words spill
from our lips.
As to the overrated nature of human experience...
I can understand this point of view from an ego standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a "shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose which.
Richard
Things like this (sad the young woman killed herself) go by the belief
that death is something bad. When people who h ave "died" and been brought
back (or come back) have reported it as something wonderful, they didn't
want to come back (to the body) but did. Sometimes were forced to by medical
intervention.
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
We have the opportunity to see the depth of our pain and alienation in
the young woman.The psychotherapy pamphlet says the therapist sees
that which needs to be healed in him- or herself in the patient. The
woman is showing us something and there are those among us who would
splash pink paint on it and say, "Nothing to see here; move on".
What is wrong with that? The woman made her choice and this an be
accepted.
I love the Psychotherapy pamphlet (and the Manual, both of them seem
to give us something we might actually DO with what we've learned in the
rest) but in a way it's confusing.
Maybe all coms down to asking HS for Guidance, like "what would you
have me say or do?" or "NOT say or do"
Sometimes the most joining and loving thing is just "I hear you". Even
if you might have said "you are wrong, you are making the problem real, this
is NOT what ACIM says to do, etc.":
Not you, personally.
It would be nice if we could get discussions going here again. Even
those who don't seem to want this, and only want to fight are our teachers.
This ng can be seen as "group therapy" in a way. Nothing wrong with that.
Tom
2010-02-16 00:54:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
Post by Pieter
Post by MikeRyder
Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human"
experience is very overrated, and in fact much to do about
nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years
ago in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
It's been awhile for me, but this seems to play right into the hands
of those who would paint students of the Course as "cold". To argue
Perfection, while believing otherwise, is (at the very least)
intellectually dishonest. I think we all have/ read the Course and
know what its words say, but if we truly believed them, we would have
no need of them.
The Course does teach the illusory nature of the body, but if that
meant <anything> to us, we'd stop stuffing big macs into our pie
holes. Why feed something which does not exist? Doesn't matter that a
body "dies"? Who among us would not pull a child (or an adult, for
that matter) out of the way of an on-coming car? Why: If it means
nothing?
We have the opportunity to see the depth of our pain and alienation in
the young woman.The psychotherapy pamphlet says the therapist sees
that which needs to be healed in him- or herself in the patient. The
woman is showing us something and there are those among us who would
splash pink paint on it and say, "Nothing to see here; move on".
Unlike the example of Jesus on the cross, the young woman was
demonstrating for us our belief in the crucifixion, not the
resurrection. Until we face our unbending belief in the crucifixion,
we never get to the resurrection, no matter what pretty words spill
from our lips.
As to the overrated nature of human experience...
I can understand this point of view from an ego standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a "shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose which.
Richard
     Things like this (sad the young woman killed herself) go by the belief
that death is something bad. When people who h ave "died" and been brought
back (or come back) have reported it as something wonderful, they didn't
want to come back (to the body) but did. Sometimes were forced to by medical
intervention.
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
We have the opportunity to see the depth of our pain and alienation in
the young woman.The psychotherapy pamphlet says the therapist sees
that which needs to be healed in him- or herself in the patient. The
woman is showing us something and there are those among us who would
splash pink paint on it and say, "Nothing to see here; move on".
     What is wrong with that? The woman made her choice and this an be
accepted.
     I love the Psychotherapy  pamphlet (and the Manual, both of them seem
to give us something we might actually DO with what we've learned in the
rest) but in a way it's confusing.
      Maybe all coms down to asking HS for Guidance, like "what would you
have me say or do?"  or "NOT say or do"
   Sometimes the most joining and loving thing is just  "I hear you".  Even
if you might have said "you are wrong, you are making the problem real, this
    Not you, personally.
     It would be nice if we could get discussions going here again. Even
those who don't seem to want this, and only want to fight are our teachers.
This ng can be seen as "group therapy" in a way. Nothing wrong with that.
Yep. But, a little bit goes a long way.
Carrie
2010-02-16 13:25:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom
Post by Carrie
Things like this (sad the young woman killed herself) go by the belief
that death is something bad. When people who h ave "died" and been
brought back (or come back) have reported it as something wonderful,
they didn't want to come back (to the body) but did. Sometimes were
forced to by medical intervention.
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
We have the opportunity to see the depth of our pain and alienation
in the young woman.The psychotherapy pamphlet says the therapist
sees that which needs to be healed in him- or herself in the
patient. The woman is showing us something and there are those
among us who would splash pink paint on it and say, "Nothing to see
here; move on".
What is wrong with that? The woman made her choice and this an be
accepted.
I love the Psychotherapy pamphlet (and the Manual, both of them seem
to give us something we might actually DO with what we've learned in
the rest) but in a way it's confusing.
Maybe all coms down to asking HS for Guidance, like "what would you
have me say or do?" or "NOT say or do"
Sometimes the most joining and loving thing is just "I hear you".
Even
if you might have said "you are wrong, you are making the problem
Not you, personally.
It would be nice if we could get discussions going here again. Even
those who don't seem to want this, and only want to fight are our
teachers. This ng can be seen as "group therapy" in a way. Nothing
wrong with that.
Yep. But, a little bit goes a long way.
Who can decide what someone else m ight need for therapy. We can't
really decide for ourselves, for that matter.
Deborah
2010-02-15 20:02:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
Post by Pieter
Post by MikeRyder
Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human" experience
is very overrated, and in fact much to do about nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years ago
in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
It's been awhile for me, but this seems to play right into the hands
of those who would paint students of the Course as "cold". To argue
Perfection, while believing otherwise, is (at the very least)
intellectually dishonest. I think we all have/ read the Course and
know what its words say, but if we truly believed them, we would have
no need of them.
The Course does teach the illusory nature of the body, but if that
meant <anything> to us, we'd stop stuffing big macs into our pie
holes. Why feed something which does not exist? Doesn't matter that a
body "dies"? Who among us would not pull a child (or an adult, for
that matter) out of the way of an on-coming car? Why: If it means
nothing?
We have the opportunity to see the depth of our pain and alienation in
the young woman.The psychotherapy pamphlet says the therapist sees
that which needs to be healed in him- or herself in the patient. The
woman is showing us something and there are those among us who would
splash pink paint on it and say, "Nothing to see here; move on".
Unlike the example of Jesus on the cross, the young woman was
demonstrating for us our belief in the crucifixion, not the
resurrection. Until we face our unbending belief in the crucifixion,
we never get to the resurrection, no matter what pretty words spill
from our lips.
As to the overrated nature of human experience...
I can understand this point of view from an ego standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a "shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose which.
Richard
Nice to hear your down-to-earth take on things again, Richard. I
agree that those without blocks to the awareness of Love's Presence
would have no need of ACIM. One thing I always keep in mind is what
the course says about how we have everything upside down, and how
sometimes what we see as our greatest failures are actually our
greatest strides forward, and vice versa. It's as easy as pie to make
an image of myself where I am progressing just wonderfully with course
teachings and have much wisdom to share with others, but the objective
is really to peel off the layers and layers of images and get down to
the reality of what I am, which is beyond images and concepts.

Deborah (BC)
Richard Mallett
2010-02-18 18:30:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Deborah
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
I can understand this point of view from an ego standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a "shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose which.
Nice to hear your down-to-earth take on things again, Richard.
And, nice to see that you're still around. The place has kind of
emptied out since my last visit. I hope it wasn't something <I> said.
Post by Deborah
I agree that those without blocks to the awareness of Love's Presence
would have no need of ACIM.  
Like you, I've been around the newsgroup, the lists, and 3-d meetings
for a long time, which I guess, if nothing else makes me a very slow
learner. From time to time, these groups attract "graduate" or "post-
graduate" students of the Course. For whatever wisdom and insight they
can offer, we should be grateful, but (for some) there is a tendency
to sneer at those who are not as far up the illusory ladder of
understanding.

I think there are some thought systems where that is a valid approach
(I remember long, drawn-out discussion on "karmic slaps," etc).
Reading the Course, I just don't get that attitude from Jesus, who,
while not compromising, is the most gentle of teachers. If only I
could be that gentle and <understanding> with/ of myself... the ego
not caring whether I beat you up or myself, just as long as someone
takes a beating.
Post by Deborah
One thing I always keep in mind is what
the course says about how we have everything upside down, and how
sometimes what we see as our greatest failures are actually our
greatest strides forward, and vice versa.  It's as easy as pie to make
an image of myself where I am progressing just wonderfully with course
teachings and have much wisdom to share with others, but the objective
is really to peel off the layers and layers of images and get down to
the reality of what I am, which is beyond images and concepts.  
This resonates with me. The Course is only about how <I> see and
relate to the world. I know that it's never about only 1 person's
issues, but it is only my thought(s) that needs changing. And, as my
best thinking is what got me here, trusting my best thinking is always
in question, or should be. I look at the very earliest of lessons and
have to look at my desire to dismiss them as so rudimentary as to be
beneath my (re)consideration. Certainly, I've progressed beyond Lesson
1, right? Not really. If I truly grasped any of the lessons, I will
have grasped them all.

On the other hand, I am learning Lesson 1 by realizing that I still
believe there is meaning here. <That> is the lesson; not that this
place doesn't have any intrinsic meaning, but that I believe it does.
If I grasp <that,> I'm half way home.

Richard
maz
2010-02-21 13:25:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Deborah
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
I can understand this point of view from an ego standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a "shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose which.
Nice to hear your down-to-earth take on things again, Richard.
And, nice to see that you're still around. The place has kind of
emptied out since my last visit. I hope it wasn't something <I> said.
Post by Deborah
I agree that those without blocks to the awareness of Love's Presence
would have no need of ACIM.
Like you, I've been around the newsgroup, the lists, and 3-d meetings
for a long time, which I guess, if nothing else makes me a very slow
learner. From time to time, these groups attract "graduate" or "post-
graduate" students of the Course. For whatever wisdom and insight they
can offer, we should be grateful, but (for some) there is a tendency
to sneer at those who are not as far up the illusory ladder of
understanding.

I think there are some thought systems where that is a valid approach
(I remember long, drawn-out discussion on "karmic slaps," etc).
Reading the Course, I just don't get that attitude from Jesus, who,
while not compromising, is the most gentle of teachers. If only I
could be that gentle and <understanding> with/ of myself... the ego
not caring whether I beat you up or myself, just as long as someone
takes a beating.
Post by Deborah
One thing I always keep in mind is what
the course says about how we have everything upside down, and how
sometimes what we see as our greatest failures are actually our
greatest strides forward, and vice versa. It's as easy as pie to make
an image of myself where I am progressing just wonderfully with course
teachings and have much wisdom to share with others, but the objective
is really to peel off the layers and layers of images and get down to
the reality of what I am, which is beyond images and concepts.
This resonates with me. The Course is only about how <I> see and
relate to the world. I know that it's never about only 1 person's
issues, but it is only my thought(s) that needs changing. And, as my
best thinking is what got me here, trusting my best thinking is always
in question, or should be. I look at the very earliest of lessons and
have to look at my desire to dismiss them as so rudimentary as to be
beneath my (re)consideration. Certainly, I've progressed beyond Lesson
1, right? Not really. If I truly grasped any of the lessons, I will
have grasped them all.

On the other hand, I am learning Lesson 1 by realizing that I still
believe there is meaning here. <That> is the lesson; not that this
place doesn't have any intrinsic meaning, but that I believe it does.
If I grasp <that,> I'm half way home.

Richard
:-) Minds are joined. Yesterday, Lee shared the following:

Thoughts on the 1st Review of the workbook lessons, and its
single-paragraph, capsule review of Lesson One..


W-pI.51.1. (1) Nothing I see means anything.

2 The reason this is so is that I see nothing, and nothing
has no meaning. 3 It is necessary that I recognize this,
that I may learn to see. 4 What I think I see now is taking
the place of vision. 5 I must let it go by realizing it
has no meaning, so that vision may take its place.

As we look over that first lesson title, it's a wonderful line to begin
the review with imo. It's a wonderful line to begin the workbook with!

"Nothing I see means anything."

It introduces a dilemma and it establishes two key concepts to
frame that dilemma. Sight and meaning. The dilemma is that my
sight is presently divorced from meaning.

Note please, that I'm NOT at all being told there is nothing
meaningful TO see. Only that the meaning is lacking in what
I now see.

The lesson identifies the solution as restoring my sight of the
meaning<ful>, through vision. But it begins by explaining why
nothing I see means anything, in sentence 2, where I'm told
it's because I see "nothing," and "nothing has no meaning."
Now if I start with that last half of sentence 2, I find a definition
of "nothing"ness -- as that which "has no <meaning>." And as
we recognize from the Course, all things created have meaning
as an essential attribute given in their creation. If what I see has
no meaning, then what I 'see' is illusory. Thus I 'see' nothing.

The third sentence says it's necessary that I recognize this, in
order that I may "learn to see." So I'm introduced here to the
concept of "learning to see" as the remedy for the bedrock
dilemma, "Nothing I see means anything." I'm assured that
I can <learn> to see.. once I recognize that I don't yet see,
at all. Learning to see is where I will find meaning.

In the 4th sentence this is clarified. I'm introduced to the
concept of vision.

"4 What I think I see now is taking the place of vision."

Nothing <I see> means anything, BECAUSE vision has been
replaced by what I think I see now. This 4th sentence also
introduces the idea that vision is not just the act or faculty
of seeing correctly, but also includes the meaning imparted
(or restored) by corrected sight. This is conveyed by the
sentence structure itself, where on one side we have
<what I think I see now>, and on the other side we have
vision. Vision represents the meaningful alternative to the
meaninglessness of <what I think I see now>.

The concluding sentence reads,

"5 I must let <it> go by realizing <it> has no meaning,
so that vision may take <its> place."

Ok, I must let go of <what I think I see now> by realizing <what
I think I see now> has no meaning.. SO THAT vision may *take
the place* of <what I think I see now.> So we have vision again
representing not only a corrected faculty of sight, but signifying
what that corrected faculty of sight will meaningfully behold.

Sight and meaning are presently divorced, then.. but vision will
restore that meaning and lead to wholly different understanding
and experience of everyone and everything.

Check !
Jasmine
2010-03-08 05:08:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Richard Mallett
Post by Deborah
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
I can understand this point of view from an ego standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a "shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose which.
Nice to hear your down-to-earth take on things again, Richard.
And, nice to see that you're still around. The place has kind of
emptied out since my last visit. I hope it wasn't something <I> said.
Post by Deborah
I agree that those without blocks to the awareness of Love's Presence
would have no need of ACIM.
Like you, I've been around the newsgroup, the lists, and 3-d meetings
for a long time, which I guess, if nothing else makes me a very slow
learner. From time to time, these groups attract "graduate" or "post-
graduate" students of the Course. For whatever wisdom and insight they
can offer, we should be grateful, but (for some) there is a tendency
to sneer at those who are not as far up the illusory ladder of
understanding.
I think there are some thought systems where that is a valid approach
(I remember long, drawn-out discussion on "karmic slaps," etc).
Reading the Course, I just don't get that attitude from Jesus, who,
while not compromising, is the most gentle of teachers. If only I
could be that gentle and <understanding> with/ of myself... the ego
not caring whether I beat you up or myself, just as long as someone
takes a beating.
Post by Deborah
One thing I always keep in mind is what
the course says about how we have everything upside down, and how
sometimes what we see as our greatest failures are actually our
greatest strides forward, and vice versa. It's as easy as pie to make
an image of myself where I am progressing just wonderfully with course
teachings and have much wisdom to share with others, but the objective
is really to peel off the layers and layers of images and get down to
the reality of what I am, which is beyond images and concepts.
This resonates with me. The Course is only about how <I> see and
relate to the world. I know that it's never about only 1 person's
issues, but it is only my thought(s) that needs changing. And, as my
best thinking is what got me here, trusting my best thinking is always
in question, or should be. I look at the very earliest of lessons and
have to look at my desire to dismiss them as so rudimentary as to be
beneath my (re)consideration. Certainly, I've progressed beyond Lesson
1, right? Not really. If I truly grasped any of the lessons, I will
have grasped them all.
On the other hand, I am learning Lesson 1 by realizing that I still
believe there is meaning here. <That> is the lesson; not that this
place doesn't have any intrinsic meaning, but that I believe it does.
If I grasp <that,> I'm half way home.
Richard
Thoughts on the 1st Review of the workbook lessons, and its
single-paragraph, capsule review of Lesson One..
     W-pI.51.1. (1) Nothing I see means anything.
     2 The reason this is so is that I see nothing, and nothing
     has no meaning. 3 It is necessary that I recognize this,
     that I may learn to see. 4 What I think I see now is taking
     the place of vision. 5 I must let it  go by realizing it
     has no meaning, so that vision may take its place.
As we look over that first lesson title, it's a wonderful line to begin
the review with imo. It's a wonderful line to begin the workbook with!
    "Nothing I see means anything."
It introduces a dilemma and it establishes two key concepts to
frame that dilemma. Sight and meaning. The dilemma is that my
sight is presently divorced from meaning.
   Note please, that I'm NOT at all being told there is nothing
   meaningful TO see. Only that the meaning is lacking in what
   I now see.
The lesson identifies the solution as restoring my sight of the
meaning<ful>, through vision. But it begins by explaining why
nothing I see means anything, in sentence 2, where I'm told
it's because I see "nothing," and "nothing has no meaning."
Now if I start with that last half of sentence 2, I find a definition
of "nothing"ness -- as that which "has no <meaning>." And as
we recognize from the Course, all things created have meaning
as an essential attribute given in their creation. If what I see has
no meaning, then what I 'see' is illusory. Thus I 'see' nothing.
The third sentence says it's necessary that I recognize this, in
order that I may "learn to see." So I'm introduced here to the
concept of "learning to see" as the remedy for the bedrock
dilemma, "Nothing I see means anything." I'm assured that
I can <learn> to see.. once I recognize that I don't yet see,
at all. Learning to see is where I will find meaning.
In the 4th sentence this is clarified. I'm introduced to the
concept of vision.
    "4 What I think I see now is taking the place of vision."
Nothing <I see> means anything, BECAUSE vision has been
replaced by what I think I see now. This 4th sentence also
introduces the idea that vision is not just the act or faculty
of seeing correctly, but also includes the meaning imparted
(or restored) by corrected sight. This is conveyed by the
sentence structure itself, where on one side we have
<what I think I see now>, and on the other side we have
vision. Vision represents the meaningful alternative to the
meaninglessness of <what I think I see now>.
The concluding sentence reads,
    "5  I must let <it> go by realizing <it> has no meaning,
    so that vision may take <its> place."
Ok, I must let go of <what I think I see now> by realizing <what
I think I see now> has no meaning.. SO THAT vision may *take
the place* of <what I think I see now.> So we have vision again
representing not only a corrected faculty of sight, but signifying
what that corrected faculty of sight will meaningfully behold.
Sight and meaning are presently divorced, then..  but vision will
restore that meaning and lead to wholly different understanding
and experience of everyone and everything.
Check !
great post. "I must let <it> go by realizing <it> has no meaning,so
that vision may take <its> place."
MikeRyder
2010-02-15 23:31:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@tahoe.blue
Post by Pieter
Post by MikeRyder
Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human" experience
is very overrated, and in fact much to do about nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years ago
in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
It's been awhile for me, but this seems to play right into the hands
of those who would paint students of the Course as "cold".
Not only cold but inhuman.
Sharon
2010-02-17 22:15:15 UTC
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Post by r***@tahoe.blue
I can understand this point of view from an ego
standpoint, but
certainly the Holy Spirit would endorse our time "here" as
the
opportunity to learn the lesson of forgiveness. It is
either a prison
or a classroom, and we get to choose which. The world is a
"shitball"
or the "Royal Road to Heaven," and we <have> to choose
which.
Richard
Right-on Richard! Nicely put. Good to see you pop up here
again. And nice to see everyone else too. Hope you are
all doing well!

~Sharon



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Jasmine
2010-02-15 14:57:07 UTC
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Post by Pieter
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 05:18:04 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human" experience
is very overrated, and in fact much to do about nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years ago
in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
thank goodness the insanity of it all ends with the gift of His vision.
Carrie
2010-02-15 15:21:29 UTC
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Post by Jasmine
Post by Pieter
Post by MikeRyder
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 05:18:04 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
It would cause great happiness to realize that the "human"
experience is very overrated, and in fact much to do about
nothing.
So said, I'm sure, the woman at the Endeavor Academy a few years
ago in Australia, right before she killed herself.
- She only killed her body, not herself.
So in fact she killed nothing.
Nothing ends, unhappyMike. Nothing ever ends.
Nothing real can end.
The unreal does not exist,
so it cannot be said to end.
Only *belief* in the unreal
as if it were real can end.
thank goodness the insanity of it all ends with the gift of His vision.
And don't you think this is only something one can see/feel in themself?
The problems seem to come up when looking at others and trying to make
them see something in a different way.
Which probably would never work anyway (in that way of doing it) and isn't
needed.
Jasmine
2010-02-15 14:52:58 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
Freely,"GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!"

what does ACIM say about "smoke and mirrors?" Do you really find
comfort in calling your brother "unhappy" just to write that you are
the "happy" one?
HappyMike
2010-02-15 17:50:49 UTC
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Post by Jasmine
Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
Freely,"GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!"
what does ACIM say about "smoke and mirrors?" Do you really find
comfort in calling your brother "unhappy" just to write that you are
the "happy" one?
I agree I should offer more of an incentive. How about
almosthappyMike?
Mike
2010-02-21 18:16:42 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
HappyMike
2010-02-22 01:40:11 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
  Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
  You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
After all the pleas for mercy on behalf of your most-uhappyness and
all your rants about how bad the NG is, you beg for more!


LOL!
Mike
2010-02-22 03:26:08 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
  Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
  You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
 After all the pleas for mercy on behalf of your most-uhappyness and
all your rants about how bad the NG is, you beg for more!
LOL!
Once again you have mistaken me for Mike Ryder. I am Mike
Harcourt. I agreed with Mike R that the ng is based upon conflict.
But I will modify that and say that the ng is based upon
assumptions,
often mistaken, always closely held.
MikeRyder
2010-02-22 04:08:29 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
  Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
  You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
 After all the pleas for mercy on behalf of your most-uhappyness and
all your rants about how bad the NG is, you beg for more!
LOL!
Once again you have mistaken me for Mike Ryder. I am Mike
Harcourt. I agreed with Mike R that the ng is based upon conflict.
But I will modify that and say that the ng is based upon
assumptions,
often mistaken, always closely held.
I dont think john r is ever going to get it about two mikes. But, so
be it.
Deborah
2010-02-22 05:57:37 UTC
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Post by Mike
Once again you have mistaken me for Mike Ryder. I am Mike
Harcourt. I agreed with Mike R that the ng is based upon conflict.
But I will modify that and say that the ng is based upon
assumptions,
often mistaken, always closely held.
When will you modify your assumption that Mike Ryder is correct in
assuming this ng is based on conflict? His group has generated most
of it themselves, in recent years, in case you hadn't noticed...

Deborah (BC)
ellie
2010-02-22 07:16:04 UTC
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Post by Deborah
 Once again you have mistaken me for Mike Ryder.  I am Mike
 Harcourt.  I agreed with Mike R that the ng is based upon conflict.
 But I will modify that and say that the ng is based upon
assumptions,
 often mistaken, always closely held.
When will you modify your assumption that Mike Ryder is correct in
assuming this ng is based on conflict?  His group has generated most
of it themselves, in recent years, in case you hadn't noticed...
Deborah (BC)
And with this you make the case for assumptions that are often
mistaken and always closely held. :)
MikeRyder
2010-02-22 08:13:24 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:16:04 -0800 (PST), ellie
Post by ellie
Post by Deborah
 Once again you have mistaken me for Mike Ryder.  I am Mike
 Harcourt.  I agreed with Mike R that the ng is based upon conflict.
 But I will modify that and say that the ng is based upon
assumptions,
 often mistaken, always closely held.
When will you modify your assumption that Mike Ryder is correct in
assuming this ng is based on conflict?  His group has generated most
of it themselves, in recent years, in case you hadn't noticed...
Deborah (BC)
And with this you make the case for assumptions that are often
mistaken and always closely held. :)
And her closely held, mistaken assumption when she assigns me to a
group when I've never joined a group produces that weird conflict in
her own mind. She might want to someday take a look at the side she's
produced for herself in her conflict.

But I doubt she will. She's too far over the edge in her own hatred
now.
Mike
2010-02-24 05:39:12 UTC
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Post by Deborah
 Once again you have mistaken me for Mike Ryder.  I am Mike
 Harcourt.  I agreed with Mike R that the ng is based upon conflict.
 But I will modify that and say that the ng is based upon
assumptions,
 often mistaken, always closely held.
When will you modify your assumption that Mike Ryder is correct in
assuming this ng is based on conflict?  His group has generated most
of it themselves, in recent years, in case you hadn't noticed...
Deborah (BC)
I believe I did modify my stance on that. I didn't know he had a
group. Mike Ryder has taken the stance suggested by George
Washington and forms no permanent alliances - as far as I know.
He is kind of like Switzerland on steroids. (George Washington
was the father of the country that beat Canada 5-3 the other
night) Can't assume too much, you know.
Deborah
2010-02-24 06:33:13 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Deborah
 Once again you have mistaken me for Mike Ryder.  I am Mike
 Harcourt.  I agreed with Mike R that the ng is based upon conflict.
 But I will modify that and say that the ng is based upon
assumptions,
 often mistaken, always closely held.
When will you modify your assumption that Mike Ryder is correct in
assuming this ng is based on conflict?  His group has generated most
of it themselves, in recent years, in case you hadn't noticed...
Deborah (BC)
I believe I did modify my stance on that. I didn't know he had a
group. Mike Ryder has taken the stance suggested by George
Washington and forms no permanent alliances - as far as I know.
He is kind of like Switzerland on steroids. (George Washington
was the father of the country that beat Canada 5-3 the other
night) Can't assume too much, you know.
See you in the Finals... if you get there : D

You have to play the Swiss next, and they are a tricky bunch.

OTOH we have to play the Russians : /

Deborah
Mike
2010-02-24 18:20:42 UTC
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Post by Deborah
Once again you have mistaken me for Mike Ryder. I am Mike
Harcourt. I agreed with Mike R that the ng is based upon conflict.
But I will modify that and say that the ng is based upon
assumptions,
often mistaken, always closely held.
When will you modify your assumption that Mike Ryder is correct in
assuming this ng is based on conflict? His group has generated most
of it themselves, in recent years, in case you hadn't noticed...
Deborah (BC)
 I believe I did modify my stance on that.  I didn't know he had a
 group.  Mike Ryder has taken the stance suggested by George
 Washington and forms no permanent alliances - as far as I know.
 He is kind of like Switzerland on steroids. (George Washington
 was the father of the country that beat Canada 5-3 the other
 night)  Can't assume too much, you know.
See you in the Finals... if you get there : D  
You have to play the Swiss next, and they are a tricky bunch.
OTOH we have to play the Russians : /
Deborah- Hide quoted text -
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Honestly, being from the deep south I am not a big hockey fan.
But these games have been very good.
Deborah
2010-02-24 19:38:24 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Deborah
Once again you have mistaken me for Mike Ryder. I am Mike
Harcourt. I agreed with Mike R that the ng is based upon conflict.
But I will modify that and say that the ng is based upon
assumptions,
often mistaken, always closely held.
When will you modify your assumption that Mike Ryder is correct in
assuming this ng is based on conflict? His group has generated most
of it themselves, in recent years, in case you hadn't noticed...
Deborah (BC)
 I believe I did modify my stance on that.  I didn't know he had a
 group.  Mike Ryder has taken the stance suggested by George
 Washington and forms no permanent alliances - as far as I know.
 He is kind of like Switzerland on steroids. (George Washington
 was the father of the country that beat Canada 5-3 the other
 night)  Can't assume too much, you know.
See you in the Finals... if you get there : D  
You have to play the Swiss next, and they are a tricky bunch.
OTOH we have to play the Russians : /
Deborah- Hide quoted text -
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Honestly, being from the deep south I am not a big hockey fan.
But these games have been very good.
Yes I've watched every one of them, with varying levels of attention.
I will be watching the USA-SUI game starting in half an hour with a
lot of attention.

But we in Canada are nervous about CAN-RUS later on today, because CAN
hasn't beaten RUS in the Olympics since 1960.

Deborah (BC)
Deborah
2010-02-28 23:17:01 UTC
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Post by Mike
George Washington
was the father of the country that beat Canada 5-3 the other
night
Yes, and the country that just lost the gold medal game to Canada
today : D

Deborah (BC)
Mike
2010-03-01 12:55:37 UTC
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Post by Deborah
Post by Mike
George Washington
 was the father of the country that beat Canada 5-3 the other
 night
Yes, and the country that just lost the gold medal game to Canada
today : D
Deborah (BC)
Considering that many people think that your team was the
greatest hockey team ever assembled I think that the US
accounted for themselves remarkably well. It was a heckuva
match up. The best team won. :-)
HappyMike
2010-03-01 15:36:02 UTC
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Post by Deborah
Post by Mike
George Washington
 was the father of the country that beat Canada 5-3 the other
 night
Yes, and the country that just lost the gold medal game to Canada
today : D
Deborah (BC)
  Considering that many people think that your team was the
  greatest hockey team ever assembled I think that the US
  accounted for themselves remarkably well.  It was a heckuva
  match up.  The best team won.  :-(
Jeez, with all the snow up there and such a low crime rate what else
do the Canadians have to do but play hockey all day?
Deborah
2010-03-01 21:30:36 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Deborah
Post by Mike
George Washington
 was the father of the country that beat Canada 5-3 the other
 night
Yes, and the country that just lost the gold medal game to Canada
today : D
Deborah (BC)
Considering that many people think that your team was the
greatest hockey team ever assembled I think that the US
accounted for themselves remarkably well. It was a heckuva
match up. The best team won. :-)
It was a perfect end to the Olympics. One of the best hockey games
I've ever seen. And believe you me, we Canadians were all on edge
when the USA got the 2nd goal that tied the game in the last
half-minute of the 3rd period. Everybody knows whoever gets the first
goal in OT wins. It was 50-50 who'd get it.

Sidney Crosby, who got the winning goal, hadn't done much anything for
team Canada during this tournament, even though he's supposed to be
one of our star players. Nice to see him finally show up when it
counted.

YVR is now flooded with visitors catching their flights out of
Vancouver. The party's over. It will be missed.

Deborah (BC)
Deborah
2010-02-22 06:26:07 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
Hmm, you're not as good a sleuth as I would have expected, being that
you're an ex-cop. If you're thinking of John Lopez, you can forget
it.

HappyMike changed his handle from HappyDreamin', who has been here a
lot longer than John and who mocked John as much as he now mocks Mike
Ryder.

Deborah (BC)
ellie
2010-02-22 07:19:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Deborah
Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
 Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
 You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
Hmm, you're not as good a sleuth as I would have expected, being that
you're an ex-cop.  If you're thinking of John Lopez, you can forget
it.
HappyMike changed his handle from HappyDreamin', who has been here a
lot longer than John and who mocked John as much as he now mocks Mike
Ryder.
Deborah (BC)
You are responding to a comment made by MikeR not MikeH and MikeR
thinks John is JohnRad not Lopez.
(I'm beginning to feel like I'm directing traffic. lol)
MikeRyder
2010-02-22 08:18:00 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:19:42 -0800 (PST), ellie
Post by ellie
Post by Deborah
Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
 Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
 You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
Hmm, you're not as good a sleuth as I would have expected, being that
you're an ex-cop.  If you're thinking of John Lopez, you can forget
it.
HappyMike changed his handle from HappyDreamin', who has been here a
lot longer than John and who mocked John as much as he now mocks Mike
Ryder.
Deborah (BC)
You are responding to a comment made by MikeR not MikeH and MikeR
thinks John is JohnRad not Lopez.
(I'm beginning to feel like I'm directing traffic. lol)
It looks to me that deborah bc has decided tonight to take out her
hatred for Americans on this newsgroup as the U.S. hockey team earlier
beat the crap out of the Canadians.

Also, Canada has agreed to rent out the medal stands to America for
the month of February. They will be taking them back on March First.
HappyMike
2010-02-23 07:28:19 UTC
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Post by ellie
Post by Deborah
Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
 Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
 You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
Hmm, you're not as good a sleuth as I would have expected, being that
you're an ex-cop.  If you're thinking of John Lopez, you can forget
it.
HappyMike changed his handle from HappyDreamin', who has been here a
lot longer than John and who mocked John as much as he now mocks Mike
Ryder.
Deborah (BC)
You are responding to a comment made by MikeR not MikeH and MikeR
thinks John is JohnRad not Lopez.
(I'm beginning to feel like I'm directing traffic. lol)
A comedy of errors. Now thats funny & not very unhappy.
Deborah
2010-02-23 19:42:46 UTC
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:28:19 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by ellie
Post by Deborah
Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
 Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
 You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
Hmm, you're not as good a sleuth as I would have expected, being that
you're an ex-cop.  If you're thinking of John Lopez, you can forget
it.
HappyMike changed his handle from HappyDreamin', who has been here a
lot longer than John and who mocked John as much as he now mocks Mike
Ryder.
Deborah (BC)
You are responding to a comment made by MikeR not MikeH and MikeR
thinks John is JohnRad not Lopez.
(I'm beginning to feel like I'm directing traffic. lol)
A comedy of errors. Now thats funny & not very unhappy.
Unless Mike Ryder has taken to using Mike Harcourt's email address, I
was responding to Mike Harcourt.

Deborah (BC)
HappyMike
2010-02-24 00:59:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Deborah
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:28:19 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by ellie
Post by Deborah
Post by Mike
Post by HappyMike
The internet is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that
they sometimes become commonplace to us and we forget... I forget.
I can see now that by continually gazing at your computer it has grow
dull in your perception. Yet seen from the another's vantage point, as
if new, it could still take your breath away. If you think about the
incredible chance in all the universe of two Mikes coming together on
one NG, one happy, one unhappy, the odds are incalculable. Come... and
dry your eyes unhappy Mike, for we are life, and our chance meeting
here is rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of
Heisenberg, so dry your weeping eyes, and let's go home.
Yes, there are two Mike's at this ng, but you are not one of them.
You are a John, and you know what a John is full of.
Hmm, you're not as good a sleuth as I would have expected, being that
you're an ex-cop. If you're thinking of John Lopez, you can forget
it.
HappyMike changed his handle from HappyDreamin', who has been here a
lot longer than John and who mocked John as much as he now mocks Mike
Ryder.
Deborah (BC)
You are responding to a comment made by MikeR not MikeH and MikeR
thinks John is JohnRad not Lopez.
(I'm beginning to feel like I'm directing traffic. lol)
A comedy of errors. Now thats funny & not very unhappy.
Unless Mike Ryder has taken to using Mike Harcourt's email address, I
was responding to Mike Harcourt.
Deborah (BC)
In 5 days nobody will even care.
Sharon
2010-02-24 01:42:41 UTC
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"HappyMike" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e2683562-3574-4a14-b2f8-***@k6g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

--In 5 days nobody will even care.

most likely .. they never did! lol :P



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HappyMike
2010-02-24 16:01:06 UTC
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Post by Sharon
--In 5 days nobody will even care.
most likely .. they never did!  lol :P
Oh btw. HI Sharon!
Sharon
2010-02-25 00:30:47 UTC
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Post by Sharon
--In 5 days nobody will even care.
most likely .. they never did! lol :P
Oh btw. HI Sharon!

Hey howyadoing Keith!! *deep breath* aka Happydreamin' who
changed handles to HappyMike but was recently mistaken as
JohnLo until Elle pointed out that Mike Ryder-- whoese real
name has been revealed as Mike Tanner but not to be confused
with Mike Harcourt -- believes that JohnRad is behind all
his relentless teasing!! For an ACIM forum, it can't get
much funnier than this! LOL :P



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HappyMike
2010-02-26 12:47:11 UTC
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Post by Sharon
--In 5 days nobody will even care.
most likely .. they never did! lol :P
Oh btw.  HI Sharon!
Hey howyadoing Keith!! *deep breath*  aka Happydreamin' who
changed handles to HappyMike but was recently mistaken as
JohnLo until Elle pointed out that Mike Ryder-- whoese real
name has been revealed as Mike Tanner but not to be confused
with Mike Harcourt --  believes that JohnRad is behind all
his relentless teasing!!   For an ACIM forum, it can't get
much funnier than this!  LOL :P
With all the Oneness going on it does get confusing!
MikeRyder
2010-02-26 22:35:28 UTC
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Post by HappyMike
Post by Sharon
--In 5 days nobody will even care.
most likely .. they never did! lol :P
Oh btw. HI Sharon!
Hey howyadoing Keith!! *deep breath* aka Happydreamin' who
changed handles to HappyMike but was recently mistaken as
JohnLo until Elle pointed out that Mike Ryder-- whoese real
name has been revealed as Mike Tanner but not to be confused
with Mike Harcourt -- believes that JohnRad is behind all
his relentless teasing!! For an ACIM forum, it can't get
much funnier than this! LOL :P
Giggle all you want Sharon, but you're mistaken on a couple items. I
dont believe "happydreamin'" is john "ratboy" retzinski. "ratboy
ratzinski" is my generic name for any asshole in this newsgroup. As
for "ratboy's" "teasing," not only is it typical acim behavior among
the self-perceived elites, but it got old a long time ago.

But, hey, continue on with your "acim humor" if that stokes your ego.
HappyMike
2010-02-28 00:10:16 UTC
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Post by MikeRyder
Post by Sharon
--In 5 days nobody will even care.
most likely .. they never did! lol :P
Oh btw.  HI Sharon!
Hey howyadoing Keith!! *deep breath*  aka Happydreamin' who
changed handles to HappyMike but was recently mistaken as
JohnLo until Elle pointed out that Mike Ryder-- whoese real
name has been revealed as Mike Tanner but not to be confused
with Mike Harcourt --  believes that JohnRad is behind all
his relentless teasing!!   For an ACIM forum, it can't get
much funnier than this!  LOL :P
Giggle all you want Sharon, but you're mistaken on a couple items. I
dont believe "happydreamin'" is john "ratboy" retzinski. "ratboy
ratzinski" is my generic name for any asshole in this newsgroup. As
for "ratboy's" "teasing," not only is it typical acim behavior among
the self-perceived elites, but it got old a long time ago.  
But, hey, continue on with your "acim humor" if that stokes your ego.
Hello my name unhappyMike and I see assholes everywhere....and I'm
gay.

Any questions?
MikeRyder
2010-02-28 00:58:13 UTC
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:10:16 -0800 (PST), HappyMike
Post by HappyMike
Post by MikeRyder
Post by Sharon
--In 5 days nobody will even care.
most likely .. they never did! lol :P
Oh btw.  HI Sharon!
Hey howyadoing Keith!! *deep breath*  aka Happydreamin' who
changed handles to HappyMike but was recently mistaken as
JohnLo until Elle pointed out that Mike Ryder-- whoese real
name has been revealed as Mike Tanner but not to be confused
with Mike Harcourt --  believes that JohnRad is behind all
his relentless teasing!!   For an ACIM forum, it can't get
much funnier than this!  LOL :P
Giggle all you want Sharon, but you're mistaken on a couple items. I
dont believe "happydreamin'" is john "ratboy" retzinski. "ratboy
ratzinski" is my generic name for any asshole in this newsgroup. As
for "ratboy's" "teasing," not only is it typical acim behavior among
the self-perceived elites, but it got old a long time ago.  
But, hey, continue on with your "acim humor" if that stokes your ego.
Hello my name unhappyMike and I see assholes everywhere....and I'm
gay.
No. Your screen name is "happydreamin'" and you use Hotmail as your
generic email address. Whether you are gay or not I have no idea and
frankly couldnt care less. What you are in actuality, however, is a
self-absorbed, sanctimonious, elitist "practitioner" of A Course in
Miracles poster of this newsgroup masquerading as a "lovin'"
participant with a "healthy and delightful" and oh so arrogant sense
of humor.

I'd say you're very much the norm for an establishment regular in this
newsgroup.
Post by HappyMike
Any questions?
HappyMike
2010-02-28 16:34:16 UTC
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" What you are in actuality, however, is a
self-absorbed, sanctimonious, elitist "practitioner" of A Course in
Miracles poster of this newsgroup masquerading as a "lovin'"
participant with a "healthy and delightful" and oh so arrogant sense
of humor."


Seems kind of like a gay thing to say.
HappyMike
2010-02-24 01:01:19 UTC
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Post by Deborah
HappyMike changed his handle from HappyDreamin', who has been here a
lot longer than John and who mocked John as much as he now mocks Mike
Ryder.
Deborah (BC)
Its all Mike's fault.
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