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The Gifts of ACIM's Urtext - Documenting the Scribal Process (Part 5)
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Lee Flynn
2011-06-09 20:00:42 UTC
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" **96. (Tell B. that miracles DO NOT depend on Revelation. They
INDUCE it. He is quite capable of miracles already, but he is
still too fearful for Revelations.)

**97. Note that YOUR (HS) Revelation occurred specifically after
you had engaged at the visionary level in a process of DENYING
fear. " ~ Urtext of ACIM


Hi all,

This series of excerpts from the Urtext of ACIM
will feature those portions that specifically reference
the thoughts, reactions and relationships between and
among the three who produced ACIM: the Course's scribe,
her dedicated assistant, and the Author who dictated the
material.

Note:
"HS" refers to Helen Schucman, whose shorthand notes
document the rapid inner dictation that produced the
unedited manuscript (Urtext) of ACIM. The early portion of
her notes also capture her own thoughts and questions, as
well as the Voice's answers, in bracketed asides that reveal
a secondary layer of ongoing personal instruction
and encouragement for the scribes, even as the Voice
pressed on with dictation of the Course material.

"B." refers to Bill Thetford, who regularly typed out Helen's
shorthand notes as she read them aloud, and whose later
role included editing the resultant Urtext manuscript into
the edition of the Course originally prepared for publication.

The Urtext of ACIM was unavailable publicly for the first
25 years of the Course's publication, and though never
intended for public scrutiny, its recent discovery provides
this rich, embedded, 'second layer' of material that essentially
documents, in intimate detail, the entire scribal process.

~ Lee

** Paragraphs that include '2nd layer' material will usually
include an asterisk before the paragraph number.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[ "HS" is Helen Schucman. "B." is Bill Thetford ]


" 90. The Revelation unites Souls directly with God.

91. The Miracle unites Souls directly with each other. Neither
emanates from consciousness, but both are EXPERIENCED there.
This is essential, because consciousness is the state which
PRODUCES action, though it DOES NOT Inspire it.
_____

94. Miracles are a way of EARNING release from fear.

95. Revelation induces a state in which fear has ALREADY BEEN
abolished. Miracles are thus a means, and Revelations are an
end. In this sense, they work together.

**96. (Tell B. that miracles DO NOT depend on Revelation. They
INDUCE it. He is quite capable of miracles already, but he is
still too fearful for Revelations.)

**97. Note that YOUR (HS) Revelation occurred specifically after
you had engaged at the visionary level in a process of DENYING
fear.
____

**100. (Tell B. that your propensity for Revelations, which is
very great, is the result of a high level of past communion.
Its transitory nature comes from the descent into fear, which
has not yet been overcome. His own "suspended" state mitigates
both extremes. This has been very apparent in the course of
both of your recent developmental patterns.) "

*101. Miracles are the essential course of ACTION for both of
you. They will strengthen him and stabilize you.

**102. (Note that the much more personal than usual notes you
are taking today reflect the Revelatory experience. This does
NOT produce the more generalizeable quality which this course
is aimed at. They may, nevertheless, be of great help to B.
personally, since you asked for something that WOULD help him
personally. It depends on how he listens, and how well he
understands the COOPERATIVE nature of your joint experience.
You can help only by reading this note first. Ask him later if
this should be included in the written part of the course at
all or whether you should keep these notes separately. He is
in charge of these decisions.)

**103. (Tell B. he should try to understand the VERY important
difference between Christ-control and Christ-guidance. This is
what made him fearful yesterday.)

104. 26. Miracles praise God thru men. They praise God by
honoring his Creations, affirming their perfection. They heal
because they deny body-identification and affirms Soul-
identification. By perceiving the Spirit, they adjust the
levels and see them in proper alignment. This places the
Spirit at the center, where Souls can communicate directly.
_______

111. 28. Miracles honor man, BECAUSE he is loveable. They
dispel illusions about himself, and perceive the light in him.
They thus atone for his errors by freeing him from his own
nightmares. They release him from a prison in which he has
imprisoned himself. By freeing his mind from illusions, they
restore his sanity, and place him at the feet of Jesus.

*112. (Biblical quotation re healing of devil possessed man, in
which the sufferer was subsequently found healed in his right
mind, and sitting at feet of Jesus. HS note.)

*113. (Tell B. man's mind can be possessed by illusions, but
his Spirit is eternally free. If a mind creates without love,
it can create an empty shell. This CAN be possessed by evil.
But the Atonement restores the Soul to its proper place.
Unless there is emptiness there is no danger, and emptiness is
a false creation. The mind that serves the Spirit is
invulnerable.)
_____

116. 30. Miracles are the way in which minds that serve the
spirit unite with Christ for the salvation (or release) of all
God's Creations.

*117. Aside: (HS commented on awakening with the phrase
" God is not Mocked", with anticipation of punishment.)

**118. Interpretation: "God is not mocked" was intended as
reassurance. You are afraid that what you wrote last night was
contradictory, conflicting with some earlier points,
especially because you were writing while you were all doped
up. Remember, "God is not mocked" under any circumstances.

**119. Contradictions in MY words mean lack of understanding, or
scribal failures, which I make every effort to correct. But
they are still NOT crucial. The Bible as the same problem, I
assure you, and it's STILL being edited. Consider the power of
MY WORD, in that it has withstood all the attacks of error,
and is the Source of Truth. "

~ Urtext of ACIM

~ Lee
Sidney Lambe
2011-06-09 21:30:20 UTC
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On talk.religion.course-miracle, Lee Flynn <***@att.net> wrote:

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Subject: The Gifts of ACIM's Urtext - Documenting the
Scribal Process (Part 5)
I've read the so-called "urtext" three times, and referenced it
many times.

http://courseinmiracles.com/urtext/

the nis-named "A Course in Miracles" (ACIM) is nothing but
Fundamentalist Christianity in a New-Age disguise.

It is obviously dreived from the Bible, because the Truth existed
long before Jesus or Moses made an appearance and so no reference
to them or those times or people is necessary in order to convey
it.

The Nature of Personal Reality by Jane Roberts is far better than
ACIM. No contest.

The gifts of ACIM are the tormented false happiness that is
the hallmark of the world's Christians. (Along with mass
murder and cultural genocide and gross materialism, all
of which Jesus was against...)
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Carrie
2011-06-10 12:08:44 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
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Subject: The Gifts of ACIM's Urtext - Documenting the
Scribal Process (Part 5)
I've read the so-called "urtext" three times, and referenced it
many times.
http://courseinmiracles.com/urtext/
the nis-named "A Course in Miracles" (ACIM) is nothing but
Fundamentalist Christianity in a New-Age disguise.
I just asked Lee, because he would know, but think Helen was Jewish and
Bill an athiest.
Post by Sidney Lambe
It is obviously dreived from the Bible, because the Truth existed
long before Jesus or Moses made an appearance and so no reference
to them or those times or people is necessary in order to convey
it.
The course is the total opposite of the bible. Christians are against
it and think it's "dangerous" because it doesn't teach about sin and the
need to be "saved".
Post by Sidney Lambe
The Nature of Personal Reality by Jane Roberts is far better than
ACIM. No contest.
Have you actually ever read this book, or is it just something you picked
up on to use here?
Post by Sidney Lambe
The gifts of ACIM are the tormented false happiness that is
the hallmark of the world's Christians. (Along with mass
murder and cultural genocide and gross materialism, all
of which Jesus was against...)
Well,l just because you have something against happiness and feel it's
"false hope" or whatever in your life, doesn't mean it's like that and has
no value for anyone else. Though I agree about the Christians and what they
are like. I recently tried point this out about a "Christian" (who posts
daily scriptures and brags about being a CHRISTIAN person) on a discussion
group. Where if anyone doesn't totally agree with the Christian (or not say
anything) they are bashed by him, in a way that isn't what I'd call "good
Christian", but also would think is against the rules of use for the group
(which is heavily moderated so nothing the moderator doesn't like gets left
on) I pointed out the hypocricity of this and got a warning letter
(personally) from the moderator abou targeting specific people and, I guess
pointing out "the truth" (it's a Sagitarrian thing (LOL) So much for getting
along there... no loss. Let those who like this play the game and not get
deleted, warned or banned.
Makes me appreciate this newsgroup all the more.
Post by Sidney Lambe
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All will be well. All manner of things will be well.
Carrie
2011-06-10 12:02:17 UTC
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Post by Lee Flynn
" **96. (Tell B. that miracles DO NOT depend on Revelation. They
INDUCE it. He is quite capable of miracles already, but he is
still too fearful for Revelations.)
**97. Note that YOUR (HS) Revelation occurred specifically after
you had engaged at the visionary level in a process of DENYING
fear. " ~ Urtext of ACIM
Hi all,
This series of excerpts from the Urtext of ACIM
will feature those portions that specifically reference
the thoughts, reactions and relationships between and
among the three who produced ACIM: the Course's scribe,
her dedicated assistant, and the Author who dictated the
material.
I've been reading a lot on here lately about ACIM being "fundamental
Christianity" disguised as New Age. But wasn't Helen Jewish and Bill an
athiest? I know, some have decided ACIM was part of some Government mind
control project, too. The ego mind reaches for things to discredit something
it doesn't undersand or maybe is afraid of just accepting and trusting.
Also, "the Urtext" is one of the earlier rough manuscripts and not really
meant for public study. Thus, people who are looking to find things to use
to discredit ACIM and make it sound, well kind of off the wall, radical, or
whatever, and people who are looking for something to back up their beliefs,
usually can find it, would be able to use that. When the edited/published
version, or even the JCIM would be more easily understood. By someone just
starting out. I think the Urtext and earlier versions are for those who
already feel they understand it, overall, and want to go back and look at
more of the Source, what it came from.
Just reading The Urtext, alone and going by that, I can see where someone
might get a different idea of it. And I don't think most versions of this
include the Workbook and Manual for Teachers.
But, everything is perfect just the same. Wherever people get into it is
what's meant to be. Maybe they are really the most intense learners, and
their questions are of help to all, in some overall way.
Lee Flynn
2011-06-11 15:24:36 UTC
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Hi Carrie..
Post by Carrie
Post by Lee Flynn
" **96. (Tell B. that miracles DO NOT depend on Revelation. They
INDUCE it. He is quite capable of miracles already, but he is
still too fearful for Revelations.)
**97. Note that YOUR (HS) Revelation occurred specifically after
you had engaged at the visionary level in a process of DENYING
fear. " ~ Urtext of ACIM
Hi all,
This series of excerpts from the Urtext of ACIM
will feature those portions that specifically reference
the thoughts, reactions and relationships between and
among the three who produced ACIM: the Course's scribe,
her dedicated assistant, and the Author who dictated the
material.
I've been reading a lot on here lately about ACIM being
"fundamental Christianity" disguised as New Age. But wasn't Helen
Jewish and Bill an athiest?
Neither were remotely fundamentalists. ; ) They could most accurately
be called agnostics before Helen began documenting the inner
dialogue that later led to the Course. However, early in the process
(the day before the Course began) Helen referred to the Voice as
"Christ" in an aside to Bill.

Contrary to myth, she had been searching for God actively across
her life, and had only through disappointment become generally
agnostic, before the Voice appeared with such authority.
Post by Carrie
I know, some have decided ACIM was part
of some Government mind control project, too. The ego mind reaches
for things to discredit something it doesn't undersand or maybe is
afraid of just accepting and trusting. Also, "the Urtext" is one of
the earlier rough manuscripts and not really meant for public study.
Thus, people who are looking to find things to use to discredit ACIM
and make it sound, well kind of off the wall, radical, or whatever,
and people who are looking for something to back up their beliefs,
usually can find it, would be able to use that. When the
edited/published version, or even the JCIM would be more easily
understood. By someone just starting out.
I agree. Generally, I suggest people start out with the JCIM (HLC).

~ Lee
Post by Carrie
I think the Urtext and
earlier versions are for those who already feel they understand it,
overall, and want to go back and look at more of the Source, what
it came from. Just reading The Urtext, alone and going by that, I can
see where someone might get a different idea of it. And I don't think
most versions of this include the Workbook and Manual for Teachers.
But, everything is perfect just the same. Wherever people get into it
is what's meant to be. Maybe they are really the most intense
learners, and their questions are of help to all, in some overall
way.
Sidney Lambe
2011-06-11 17:05:20 UTC
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Post by Lee Flynn
Hi Carrie..
Post by Carrie
Post by Lee Flynn
" **96. (Tell B. that miracles DO NOT depend on Revelation. They
INDUCE it. He is quite capable of miracles already, but he is
still too fearful for Revelations.)
**97. Note that YOUR (HS) Revelation occurred specifically after
you had engaged at the visionary level in a process of DENYING
fear. " ~ Urtext of ACIM
Hi all,
This series of excerpts from the Urtext of ACIM
will feature those portions that specifically reference
the thoughts, reactions and relationships between and
among the three who produced ACIM: the Course's scribe,
her dedicated assistant, and the Author who dictated the
material.
I've been reading a lot on here lately about ACIM being
"fundamental Christianity" disguised as New Age. But wasn't Helen
Jewish and Bill an athiest?
Neither were remotely fundamentalists. ; ) They could most accurately
be called agnostics before Helen began documenting the inner
dialogue that later led to the Course. However, early in the process
(the day before the Course began) Helen referred to the Voice as
"Christ" in an aside to Bill.
Only a fundamentalist Christian could have produced ACIM. It
contains concepts that no one else uses.
Post by Lee Flynn
Contrary to myth,
Which myth? The one yoo are conveying here?
Post by Lee Flynn
she had been searching for God actively across
her life, and had only through disappointment become generally
agnostic, before the Voice appeared with such authority.
Sure. She was searching for the Fundammentalist Christian
false god and she found it. Of course. How not? It only
exists in the imaginations of Fundamentalist Christians.

ACIM is derived from the Bible. Obviously.

The Bible as seen through the eyes of a Fundamentalist Christian.
Post by Lee Flynn
Post by Carrie
I know, some have decided ACIM was part of some Government
mind control project, too. The ego mind reaches for things to
discredit something it doesn't undersand or maybe is afraid
of just accepting and trusting. Also, "the Urtext" is one of
the earlier rough manuscripts and not really meant for public
study. Thus, people who are looking to find things to use to
discredit ACIM and make it sound, well kind of off the wall,
radical, or whatever, and people who are looking for something
to back up their beliefs, usually can find it, would be able
to use that. When the edited/published version, or even the
JCIM would be more easily understood. By someone just starting
out.
I agree. Generally, I suggest people start out with the JCIM
(HLC).
I suggest that you flush that superstitious crapola
mis-named "A Course in MIracles" down the toilet.

From whence it came...


"The Nature of Perosnal Reality" by Jane Roberts
is infinitely superior.

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Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.
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