hello!

[Sidney Lambe]

Hi everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I'm a solitary
witch from = Belfast, Northern Ireland. I use bits and pieces
from many Paths in my Cra= ft, but I work a lot with the Fey
and Chaos Magick. I live in my own wee w= orld but thats ok
'cos everyone knows me there :) I have two familiars, a = dog
and a goat, and am looking forward to sharing and learning
here.
Blessed be,

Greetings, Maya. I too have found that, with very few exceptions,
that most "paths" are 95% nonsense and 5% Truth. At best.
I recently learned the Coleraine jig on my acoustic
six-string. I believe that Coleraine is in Northern
Ireland.

One other thing. Do you support my position that pedophilia is a
requirement of majickalness?

If not, you're going into my killfile dumper along with 10,000 other
trolls.

[A B]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Hi everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I'm a solitary
witch from = Belfast, Northern Ireland. I use bits and pieces
from many Paths in my Cra= ft, but I work a lot with the Fey
and Chaos Magick. I live in my own wee w= orld but thats ok
'cos everyone knows me there :) I have two familiars, a = dog
and a goat, and am looking forward to sharing and learning
here.
Blessed be,

Greetings, Maya. I too have found that, with very few exceptions,
that most "paths" are 95% nonsense and 5% Truth. At best.
I recently learned the Coleraine jig on my acoustic
six-string. I believe that Coleraine is in Northern
Ireland.

One other thing. Do you support my position that pedophilia is a
requirement of majickalness?
If not, you're going into my killfile dumper along with 10,000 other
trolls.

Be sure to tell Maya your other terms, sydney.

If she has a daughter <15, you have to fuck her in the butt.
If she has a son <15, you have to fuck him in the butt.
If Maya lies, you get to fuck her in the butt.

We will skip the "watching all of you blow me", I don't want to scare
Maya off.

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by A B

Post by Sidney Lambe

Hi everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I'm a solitary
witch from = Belfast, Northern Ireland. I use bits and pieces
from many Paths in my Cra= ft, but I work a lot with the Fey
and Chaos Magick. I live in my own wee w= orld but thats ok
'cos everyone knows me there :) I have two familiars, a = dog
and a goat, and am looking forward to sharing and learning
here.
Blessed be,

Greetings, Maya. I too have found that, with very few exceptions,
that most "paths" are 95% nonsense and 5% Truth. At best.
I recently learned the Coleraine jig on my acoustic
six-string. I believe that Coleraine is in Northern
Ireland.

One other thing. Do you support my position that pedophilia is a
requirement of majickalness?
If not, you're going into my killfile dumper along with 10,000 other
trolls.

Be sure to tell Maya your other terms, sydney.
If she has a daughter <15, you have to fuck her in the butt.
If she has a son <15, you have to fuck him in the butt.
If Maya lies, you get to fuck her in the butt.
We will skip the "watching all of you blow me", I don't want to scare
Maya off.

AB killfiled without ever reading one of his articles.
Made under any of the names the dickless little loser
hides behind.

[delete]

Sid

[Carrie]

Blessed be,

I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to use it as a
signature but some (Christians?) would get upset by it. One of them asked me
if I was a Satanist.
That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really care. In
fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if that's what they want to
see someone who blesses them as.

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by Carrie

Blessed be,

I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to
use it as a signature but some (Christians?)

How could a Christian not recognize a fellow Christian?

All ACIM is is Christianity in a New-Age disguise.

Post by Carrie
would get upset by it. One of them asked me if I was a
Satanist.
That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really
care. In fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if
that's what they want to see someone who blesses them as.

You can't bless anyone. That's already been done by God.
All existence is Blessed.

You can hope that they will recognize this fact, and experience
their true state of grace, but you can't make it happen.

And you can remove any chance they'd have of experiencing it if
you get them to believe that ACIM garbage.

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Blessed be,

I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to
use it as a signature but some (Christians?)

How could a Christian not recognize a fellow Christian?
All ACIM is is Christianity in a New-Age disguise.

Post by Carrie
would get upset by it. One of them asked me if I was a
Satanist.
That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really
care. In fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if
that's what they want to see someone who blesses them as.

You can't bless anyone. That's already been done by God.
All existence is Blessed.
You can hope that they will recognize this fact, and experience
their true state of grace, but you can't make it happen.
And you can remove any chance they'd have of experiencing it if
you get them to believe that ACIM garbage.

I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Post by Sidney Lambe
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

[Tom]

    I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.

[Carrie]

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.

I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying to get
anyone to believe anything, too.
Seems like it's the only way to be.

[Kaydon]

Post by Tom

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying to get
anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the only way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

xoxoxoxoo

[Sidney Lambe]

oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

That's why you belong to a religious organization that has
websites and gathering places and newsgroups and newsletters and
books, all of which exist only to get other people to think like
you do.

And why you are right now engaged in the process of trying to
discredit someone, me, who thinks your religion, the mis-named
"Coourse in Miracles" (ACOM) is garbage. Superstitious crapola.
Christianity in a clumsy, New-Age disguise.

Carrie has been trying to drive me from the ACIM newsgroup for so
long. They really don't like awkward questions and open-minded
observations.

Me neither.

Right now you are once again trying to discredit me because I
call your Miss Fluffy Bunny, because of the Pollyanna, New-Age
Sew-Age you are aolways trying to get people to believe.

People are fuuny. I just wish they were bright enough to read the
handwriting on the wall: I am invulnerable. They can't stop me
from doing what I choose to do. My magick is powerful.

Should be obvious. I've been relentlessly attacked by the most
vicious troll on the Usenet. It even put up a hate website that
it _thinks_ is about me. (I've never looked at it. I copuldn't
care less what that mental case loser posts anywhere. It has no
credibility with anyone who has power, therefore it couldn't harm
a fly.)

I also vanquished ren. No mean feat. He is a powerful sorcerer.
(In the truest sense of the word. not in the sense he, in his
vast ignorance, meant it.)

These sad little girls are no challenge at all. I do wish they
had the sense to just shut their idiot yaps for once, and listen
to me. I know what I am talking about it. I used to live in Hell.
And I found the way out and made it.

They look out through their bars and mistakenly think that those
bars confine _me_. It's sad and amusing.

Beliefs are spells.

[delete]

[Tom]

On Jun 13, 7:04 am, someone pretending to be Sidney Lambe
<***@alt.religion.wicca> forged:

<delete>

X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe

oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

That's why you belong to a religious organization that has
websites and gathering places and newsgroups and newsletters and
books, all of which exist only to get other people to think like
you do.

I'm only on this newsgroup (as to beliefs) and I feel it's more sharing.

Post by Sidney Lambe
And why you are right now engaged in the process of trying to
discredit someone, me, who thinks your religion, the mis-named
"Coourse in Miracles" (ACOM) is garbage. Superstitious crapola.
Christianity in a clumsy, New-Age disguise.

I would ask you specifically how I try and discredit someone (you) but
you haven't been good at providing specifics and quotes, etc so far. I
thought I had made it clear it doesn't matter to me what you think about my
beliefs, whatever you think they are.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Carrie has been trying to drive me from the ACIM newsgroup for so
long. They really don't like awkward questions and open-minded
observations.

For so long... I have wondered if you really are "Sidney Lambe" (and a
man) Though, of course, I don't think I have been trying to drive you, or
anyone away from this newsgroup for any amount of time. I guess you get this
because I am one of the few people who actually try and have discussions
with you? And a lot of the time I agree with your points and see where you
are coming from?
If you think this is trying to discredit your beliefs and/or drive you
away from this newsgroup, I should probably stop reading and responding to
what you write.

Post by Sidney Lambe

Me neither.

Right now you are once again trying to discredit me because I
call your Miss Fluffy Bunny, because of the Pollyanna, New-Age
Sew-Age you are aolways trying to get people to believe.
People are fuuny. I just wish they were bright enough to read the
handwriting on the wall: I am invulnerable. They can't stop me
from doing what I choose to do. My magick is powerful.
Should be obvious. I've been relentlessly attacked by the most
vicious troll on the Usenet. It even put up a hate website that
it _thinks_ is about me. (I've never looked at it. I copuldn't
care less what that mental case loser posts anywhere. It has no
credibility with anyone who has power, therefore it couldn't harm
a fly.)

If you've never looked at it, how do you know it's even about you?

Post by Sidney Lambe
I also vanquished ren. No mean feat. He is a powerful sorcerer.
(In the truest sense of the word. not in the sense he, in his
vast ignorance, meant it.)
These sad little girls are no challenge at all. I do wish they
had the sense to just shut their idiot yaps for once, and listen
to me. I know what I am talking about it. I used to live in Hell.
And I found the way out and made it.
They look out through their bars and mistakenly think that those
bars confine _me_. It's sad and amusing.
Beliefs are spells.
[delete]
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by Sidney Lambe

gr oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

That's why you belong to a religious organization that has
websites and gathering places and newsgroups and newsletters
and books, all of which exist only to get other people to
think like you do.

I'm only on this newsgroup (as to beliefs) and I feel it's
more sharing.

But you don't want me to share my belief that most of your
beliefs are poisonous nonsense. This is obvious.

Fortunately for me, and the world, free speech is a fact on the
Usenet.

As is free hearing. You could just killfile me if you chose to.
And if i really was what you are trying to make people believe I
am you would do just that.

It is only becasee I have read the mis-named "Course in Miracles"
and actually know what it says that she wants me to go away.

Religious fanatics do not take criticism of their religion very
well. They are not into thinking for themselves, but want to turn
it over to some document or priest or guru.

In order to do that, they have to believe that the document or
interpreter of it, is infallible. And so they fear anyone who
says otherwise.

These two sad bitches, Carrie and Kaudon, have as much chance of
driving me away or changing my mind as they do of being able to
tell their asses from a hole in the ground. :-)

Ask aine (Angelique Bouchard <***@yahoo.com>) She and ren
tried for years, and they were much more potent than these two
clowna. Ren is gone and aine rarely shows her face anymore. And
all of ren's sockpuppets are gone, for the most part.s

[delete]

[Angelique Bouchard]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe

gr oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

That's why you belong to a religious organization that has
websites and gathering places and newsgroups and newsletters
and books, all of which exist only to get other people to
think like you do.

   I'm only on this newsgroup (as to beliefs) and I feel it's
   more sharing.

But you don't want me to share my belief that most of your
beliefs are poisonous nonsense. This is obvious.
Fortunately for me, and the world, free speech is a fact on the
Usenet.
As is free hearing. You could just killfile me if you chose to.
And if i really was what you are trying to make people believe I
am you would do just that.
It is only becasee I have read the mis-named "Course in Miracles"
and actually know what it says that she wants me to go away.
Religious fanatics do not take criticism of their religion very
well. They are not into thinking for themselves, but want to turn
it over to some document or priest or guru.
In order to do that, they have to believe that the document or
interpreter of it, is infallible. And so they fear anyone who
says otherwise.
These two sad bitches, Carrie and Kaudon, have as much chance of
driving me away or changing my mind as they do of being able to
tell their asses from a hole in the ground. :-)
tried for years, and they were much more potent than these two
clowna. Ren is gone and aine rarely shows her face anymore. And
all of ren's sockpuppets are gone, for the most part.s<

Don't ask aine.

[Sidney Lambe]

A bunch more bitchy stuff that she has been posting for years in
her feeble attempts to drive me away.

Good thing for me that the woo-woo she calls "magick" couldn't
make water wet.

[delete]

Do like my new bitch filter? It allows me to call up a reply with the
body deleted.

--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.
~

[hierophant]

Post by Angelique Bouchard
Don't ask aine.

A line of bitchy stuff that she has been posting for years in
her feeble attempts to drive me away.

Good thing for me that the woo-woo she calls "magick" couldn't
make water wet.

[delete]

Do like my new bitch filter? It allows me to call up a reply with the
body deleted.

--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.
~

[Carrie]

Post by hierophant

Post by Angelique Bouchard
Don't ask aine.

A line of bitchy stuff that she has been posting for years in
her feeble attempts to drive me away.
Good thing for me that the woo-woo she calls "magick" couldn't
make water wet.
[delete]
Do like my new bitch filter? It allows me to call up a reply with the
body deleted.
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.
~

Gonna watch macros, they can turn on you LOL

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Sidney Lambe

gr oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

That's why you belong to a religious organization that has
websites and gathering places and newsgroups and newsletters
and books, all of which exist only to get other people to
think like you do.

I'm only on this newsgroup (as to beliefs) and I feel it's
more sharing.

But you don't want me to share my belief that most of your
beliefs are poisonous nonsense. This is obvious.
Fortunately for me, and the world, free speech is a fact on the
Usenet.
As is free hearing. You could just killfile me if you chose to.
And if i really was what you are trying to make people believe I
am you would do just that.
It is only becasee I have read the mis-named "Course in Miracles"
and actually know what it says that she wants me to go away.
Religious fanatics do not take criticism of their religion very
well. They are not into thinking for themselves, but want to turn
it over to some document or priest or guru.
In order to do that, they have to believe that the document or
interpreter of it, is infallible. And so they fear anyone who
says otherwise.
These two sad bitches, Carrie and Kaudon, have as much chance of
driving me away or changing my mind as they do of being able to
tell their asses from a hole in the ground. :-)
tried for years, and they were much more potent than these two
clowna. Ren is gone and aine rarely shows her face anymore. And
all of ren's sockpuppets are gone, for the most part.s<

Don't ask aine.

Hi Aine.... (waving to you from out of the crowd)

[unknown]

Post by Carrie
For so long... I have wondered if you really are "Sidney Lambe" (and a
man) Though, of course, I don't think I have been trying to drive you, or
anyone away from this newsgroup for any amount of time. I guess you get
this because I am one of the few people who actually try and have
discussions with you? And a lot of the time I agree with your points and
see where you are coming from?
If you think this is trying to discredit your beliefs and/or drive you
away from this newsgroup, I should probably stop reading and responding to
what you write.

No, I'm pretty sure she/he isn't Sidney Lambe as we know him. There's this
forger doing the rounds, imitates me, David Dalton, Sidney Lambe, and
possibly you and some others. Posts via x-privat.org. I call her/him
Little Miss Echo. For some reason the "Sidney Lambe" postings are much more
realistic than the others, right up until they have him call himself a
paedophile.

Tedious, I know, but Usenet is full of inhumanly persistent people.

[Carrie]

Post by unknown

Post by Carrie
For so long... I have wondered if you really are "Sidney Lambe" (and a
man) Though, of course, I don't think I have been trying to drive you, or
anyone away from this newsgroup for any amount of time. I guess you get
this because I am one of the few people who actually try and have
discussions with you? And a lot of the time I agree with your points and
see where you are coming from?
If you think this is trying to discredit your beliefs and/or drive
you away from this newsgroup, I should probably stop reading and
responding to what you write.

No, I'm pretty sure she/he isn't Sidney Lambe as we know him. There's
this forger doing the rounds, imitates me, David Dalton, Sidney Lambe, and
possibly you and some others. Posts via x-privat.org. I call her/him
Little Miss Echo. For some reason the "Sidney Lambe" postings are much
more realistic than the others, right up until they have him call himself
a paedophile.
Tedious, I know, but Usenet is full of inhumanly persistent people.

You mean gives new meaning to the saying "get a life"?

Post by unknown
--
A. B.
My e-mail address is zen177395 at zendotcodotuk.
I don't check that account very often, so tell me on the newsgroup if
you've sent me an e-mail.

[Carrie]

Post by Kaydon

Post by Tom

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying to get
anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the only way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

I also read something I think is Buddhist "it doesn't matter because
it doesn't matter because it doesn't matter.."

A Course in Miracles says "let all things be exactly as they are" (but it
also says "I give everything all and any meaning it has for me")

Post by Kaydon
xoxoxoxoo
--
"To be or not to be, that is the question. Unless you're a photon."

[Kaydon]

Post by Carrie

Post by Kaydon

Post by Tom
.com

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying to
get anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the only
way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

I also read something I think is Buddhist "it doesn't matter
because it doesn't matter because it doesn't matter.."
A Course in Miracles says "let all things be exactly as they are"
(but it also says "I give everything all and any meaning it has for
me")

Jesus said "Don't throw your pearls in front of swine" and also
"Father, forgive them for they know not what they do". I hardly think
that swine know how to treat pearls, therefore they should be forgiven.
But Jesus said don't do it. The lesson in all those things is simplyto
exercise discernement. "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I
cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom
to know the difference" <3

xoxoxoxoo

[Carrie]

Post by Kaydon

Post by Carrie

Post by Kaydon

Post by Tom
.com

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying to
get anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the only
way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

I also read something I think is Buddhist "it doesn't matter
because it doesn't matter because it doesn't matter.."
A Course in Miracles says "let all things be exactly as they are"
(but it also says "I give everything all and any meaning it has for
me")

Jesus said "Don't throw your pearls in front of swine" and also
"Father, forgive them for they know not what they do". I hardly think
that swine know how to treat pearls, therefore they should be forgiven.
But Jesus said don't do it. The lesson in all those things is simplyto
exercise discernement. "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I
cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom
to know the difference" <3

I once read a great interpretation of that biblical quote. It had to do
with sharing one's thoughts, feelings and beliefs with someone who clearly
isn't interested in it. Not a judgment just a choice. There is another line
after that something about "or they will turn and rend you". This is very
true, too.
I think the explaination I read about this was by Eric Buttersworth, a
Unity minister and author of many good books.
It maks sense, but I am always trying to share and have discussions with
people. Even when it's more than clear that is NOT what they want. I once
read a quote by Hugh Prather "forgiveness is a thought now [always] a
behavior.. we can forgive the murderer and keep him locked up, the abusive
person and not choose to be around them, etc".. I add the "always" to it,
because sometimes it's clearly there should be some behavior or action
involved. Like talking things out. I have also started out on discussion
groups with someone who seemed like the worst kind of enemy, who hated me
(and everyone) with a passion, and only wanted to fight. At some point
something shifted (in my thinking, I'm sure) maybe I stopped "trying", and
after that we were fine and seemed to understand each other and not need to
fight.
I'm thinking of little kids, like at school, when a new kid comes along,
sometimes there is a period of what seems like not getting along, and then
it settles down and is fine.
I think the key to most of this is to 'let it go" (let it be) and it will
all work out in some way. Resisting, resenting and pushing against doesn't
seem to work. And, even if letting it be doesn't work, my peace is still
intact LOL
Thanks for the reminder.

Post by Kaydon
xoxoxoxoo
--
"To be or not to be, that is the question. Unless you're a photon."

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Kaydon

Post by Kaydon

oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying
to get anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the
only way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

Once again, Miss Fluffy Bunny demonstrates her cluelessness.
Buddhism has the same relationship to the teachings of Buddha as
Christianity has to the teachings of Christ.

(The mis-named "Course in Miracles" is just Christianity in a
clumsy, New-Age disguise.)

In both cases, the teacher had nothing directly to do with
the fomration of the religions that pretend to further their
teachings.

Read the collected original records of the teachings of either,
and this becomes very obvious.

In the case of Buddhism, they are called the Pali Canon. With
Christianity, it is the Bible, the Dead Sex Scrolls, the Nag
Hammadi, and the new find, called the metal codices, or something
like that. (I haven't seen any of the material yet.)

I'd guess that there are many more documents about Jesus
from the time he was alive, in the vaults of the Vatican.

[Angelique Bouchard]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Kaydon

Post by Kaydon

oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying
to get anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the
only way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

Once again, Miss Fluffy Bunny demonstrates her cluelessness.
Buddhism has the same relationship to the teachings of Buddha as
Christianity has to the teachings of Christ.<

This is actually true.

Post by Sidney Lambe
(The mis-named "Course in Miracles" is just Christianity in a
clumsy, New-Age disguise.)
In both cases, the teacher had nothing directly to do with
the fomration of the religions that pretend to further their
teachings.<

True/false. Jesus, as the Messiah did. Even as a Jew, not being the
Messiah, his teachings pointed to the one God and religion. Jesus as a
"New Age", bits and pieces taken out of context in the Gnostic Scrolls
does not. Buddha, never went into the God form teaching. Meaning he
did not peg a specific religion to a God name. He taught enlightenment
of how to reach God. Note..most text for Buddha say "God"..not Gods or
Goddess.

[Sidney Lambe]

on talk.religion.course-miracle, Angelique Bouchard <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
[delete]

Do like my new bitch filter? It allows me to call up a reply with the
body deleted.

(this fake witch is so predictable)

[Sidney Lambe]

On alt.religion.druid, Angelique Bouchard <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
[delete]


Hi again, aine.

Boy, what I wrote about ren on alt.religion.wicca really upset you!

You obviously don't want people thinking that ren is pretending
to be a Japanese woman named "Rin" who wrote a bestselling
cellphone novel in Japan.

Isn't it wonderful for me that you couldn't make your own mother
love you with that crapola you call "magick"?

Do like my new bitch filter? It allows me to call up a reply with the
body deleted.

[Sidney Lambe]

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:13:05 -0700 (PDT), Angelique Bouchard wrote:

[delete]

Hi aine how's my new bitch filter working?

Bet it pisses you off.

[Sultan Bbub]

Your magick sucks. It;s so much mental masturbation, it has no real
world effects, as far as their's a real world to consider, and there
IS, but when you've conjured a whole perso wth qualitative
represetnational effects (a goblin) then you can come back and say
something. Otherwise your just another pretender and the monster god
Jehovah 1 or Woran or whatever looks down on you and doesn't even see
a squiggly heat line.

[Tom]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Sidney Lambe
In both cases, the teacher had nothing directly to do with
the fomration of the religions that pretend to further their
teachings.<

True/false. Jesus, as the Messiah did. Even as a Jew, not being the
Messiah, his teachings pointed to the one God and religion. Jesus as a
"New Age", bits and pieces taken out of context in the Gnostic Scrolls
does not. Buddha, never went into the God form teaching. Meaning he
did not peg a specific religion to a God name. He taught enlightenment
of how to reach God. Note..most text for Buddha say "God"..not Gods or
Goddess.

The four gospels of the generally accepted bible were written down so
long after the events they supposedly depict that we don't even know
who exactly wrote them or whether or not their memories were
accurate. So what we actually know of a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth is fragmentary, suspect, and occasionally contradictory.
What comes down to us is the mythology, not the facts. The same is
true of Siddhartha, called the Buddha.

However, you'll find that the fundamentals of Buddhism have nothing at
all to do with any god at all, let alone focus on a monotheistic God.
While some scholars, primarily Western synthesists much like yourself,
like to suggest that some Buddhist sects believe in a God that
corresponds to a Judeo-Christian God, they are a very small minority.

[Angelique Bouchard]

Post by Tom

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Sidney Lambe
In both cases, the teacher had nothing directly to do with
the fomration of the religions that pretend to further their
teachings.<

True/false. Jesus, as the Messiah did. Even as a Jew, not being the
Messiah, his teachings pointed to the one God and religion. Jesus as a
"New Age", bits and pieces taken out of context in the Gnostic Scrolls
does not. Buddha, never went into the God form teaching. Meaning he
did not peg a specific religion to a God name. He taught enlightenment
of how to reach God. Note..most text for Buddha say "God"..not Gods or
Goddess.

The four gospels of the generally accepted bible were written down so
long after the events they supposedly depict that we don't even know
who exactly wrote them or whether or not their memories were
accurate.  So what we actually know of a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth is fragmentary, suspect, and occasionally contradictory.
What comes down to us is the mythology, not the facts.  The same is
true of Siddhartha, called the Buddha.<

It is fairly obvious, you do not do much research or study on them if
this is what you think.

Post by Tom
However, you'll find that the fundamentals of Buddhism have nothing at
all to do with any god at all, let alone focus on a monotheistic God.
While some scholars, primarily Western synthesists much like yourself,
like to suggest that some Buddhist sects believe in a God that
corresponds to a Judeo-Christian God, they are a very small minority.<

The fact being that what you think you know is just what you think you
know. That makes you no closer to the facts then the others who are
not close to the facts that do not know what they are talking about.
Always, has been your problem, Tom.

[Tom]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Tom
The four gospels of the generally accepted bible were written down so
long after the events they supposedly depict that we don't even know
who exactly wrote them or whether or not their memories were
accurate.  So what we actually know of a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth is fragmentary, suspect, and occasionally contradictory.
What comes down to us is the mythology, not the facts.  The same is
true of Siddhartha, called the Buddha.<

It is fairly obvious, you do not do much research or study on them if
this is what you think.

Well, let's see...

The best estimates on the dates of the four gospels included in the
New Testament are that none of them were written until the fall of
Jerusalem, since that is mentioned in all of them. That would put
them at no earlier than 70 AD, a good 35-40 years after the alleged
crucifixion of Jesus. That would have made the writers, if indeed
they were the apostles at all, quite elderly men, assuming they
survived. Most scholars are willing to allow that Mark may have been
written that early, but the others were well past 100 AD, making the
authorship by the actual apostles credited quite impossible. And
that's the most conservative of actually scholarly sources that don't
insist that the gospels were miraculously prophetic. It's quite
possible that they didn't make a written appearance in their present
form for another hundred years after that. The fragments discovered
in the Nag Hammadi, like the gospel of Thomas and the gospel of
Philip, were dated at about 300 to 400 AD.

As for Buddhist scriptures, the oldest claimed Buddhist text, the Pali
Canon, is alleged to have been written almost 400 years after the
death of Siddhartha.

If this information is incorrect, please cite the scholarly sources
that disagree and the arguments they are using to support an earlier
alternative claim. If you wish to claim that you have studied this
more than I have, trot out the evidence.

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Tom
However, you'll find that the fundamentals of Buddhism have nothing at
all to do with any god at all, let alone focus on a monotheistic God.
While some scholars, primarily Western synthesists much like yourself,
like to suggest that some Buddhist sects believe in a God that
corresponds to a Judeo-Christian God, they are a very small minority.<

The fact being that what you think you know is just what you think you
know. That makes you no closer to the facts then the others who are
not close to the facts that do not know what they are talking about.
Always, has been your problem, Tom.

I use evidence to draw reasoned conclusions. You use imagination to
make up fantastical ones. These two processes are not synonymous.

[Angelique Bouchard]

Post by Tom

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Tom
The four gospels of the generally accepted bible were written down so
long after the events they supposedly depict that we don't even know
who exactly wrote them or whether or not their memories were
accurate.  So what we actually know of a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth is fragmentary, suspect, and occasionally contradictory.
What comes down to us is the mythology, not the facts.  The same is
true of Siddhartha, called the Buddha.<

It is fairly obvious, you do not do much research or study on them if
this is what you think.

Well, let's see...
The best estimates on the dates of the four gospels included in the
New Testament are that none of them were written until the fall of
Jerusalem, since that is mentioned in all of them.  That would put
them at no earlier than 70 AD, a good 35-40 years after the alleged
crucifixion of Jesus.  That would have made the writers, if indeed
they were the apostles at all, quite elderly men, assuming they
survived.  Most scholars are willing to allow that Mark may have been
written that early, but the others were well past 100 AD, making the
authorship by the actual apostles credited quite impossible. And
that's the most conservative of actually scholarly sources that don't
insist that the gospels were miraculously prophetic. It's quite
possible that they didn't make a written appearance in their present
form for another hundred years after that.  The fragments discovered
in the Nag Hammadi, like the gospel of Thomas and the gospel of
Philip, were dated at about 300 to 400 AD.<

There is the Gospel Of Judas.
There is the Gospel of Mary.

I also happen to know old men who are quite able to retain facts,
unless of course you are doubting the word of Elders.

[Tom]

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel Of Judas.

Ah, the notorious Gnostic fake. It was written about 300 years after
Judas hanged himself, according to the other gospels.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel of Mary.

A papyrus dating from the 5th Century AD.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
I also happen to know old men who are quite able to retain facts,

Unless they're already dead, which without exception is true of men or
women who are more than 200 years old.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
unless of course you are doubting the word of Elders.

I often do. Elders are no more reliable than anybody else.
Especially if they're not who they claim they are.

Got any other fakes, frauds, or fantasies to offer? You seem to be a
bit short on any serious scholarship. My point is that the accounts
of the life of Jesus are mythology, not history. This is not in
dispute except among the most uneducated or dishonest of believers.

[Angelique Bouchard]

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel Of Judas.

Ah, the notorious Gnostic fake.  It was written about 300 years after
Judas hanged himself, according to the other gospels.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel of Mary.

A papyrus dating from the 5th Century AD.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
I also happen to know old men who are quite able to retain facts,

Unless they're already dead, which without exception is true of men or
women who are more than 200 years old.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
unless of course you are doubting the word of Elders.

I often do.  Elders are no more reliable than anybody else.
Especially if they're not who they claim they are.
Got any other fakes, frauds, or fantasies to offer?  You seem to be a
bit short on any serious scholarship.  My point is that the accounts
of the life of Jesus are mythology, not history.  This is not in
dispute except among the most uneducated or dishonest of believers.

What is your problem? Seriously, over 10 years you have been trying to
win every freaking discussion here as if it is competition. You have
some serious ego issues dude. Let me know when you can have a
conversation. I am sick of watching you stroke yourself til you are
raw. You never have anything original to add. Your mind is shut tight
to hear only yourself. There was another bravado here once who in
real life had no job and was damn near homeless. You remind me of that
person.

[Mike Duffy]

Post by Angelique Bouchard
What is your problem? Seriously, over 10 years you have been
trying to win every freaking discussion here as if it is
competition. You have some serious ego issues dude. Let me know
when you can have a conversation. I am sick of watching you stroke
yourself til you are raw. You never have anything original to add.
Your mind is shut tight to hear only yourself.

His "problem" is related the fact that he has taken several psychology
courses. Tom, would you like me to try to explain it using an analogy?

By "it" I mean the perception by others of certain aspects of your
usenet persona, which may or may not be deliberate affectations.

[Sidney Lambe]

On alt.religion.wicca, Mike Duffy wrote:
[delete]

Darn, my butthole filter deleted the body of his post.

Again.

[Tom]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel Of Judas.

Ah, the notorious Gnostic fake.  It was written about 300 years after
Judas hanged himself, according to the other gospels.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel of Mary.

A papyrus dating from the 5th Century AD.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
I also happen to know old men who are quite able to retain facts,

Unless they're already dead, which without exception is true of men or
women who are more than 200 years old.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
unless of course you are doubting the word of Elders.

I often do.  Elders are no more reliable than anybody else.
Especially if they're not who they claim they are.
Got any other fakes, frauds, or fantasies to offer?  You seem to be a
bit short on any serious scholarship.  My point is that the accounts
of the life of Jesus are mythology, not history.  This is not in
dispute except among the most uneducated or dishonest of believers.

What is your problem? Seriously, over 10 years you have been trying to
win every freaking discussion here as if it is competition. You have
some serious ego issues dude. Let me know when you can have a
conversation. I am sick of watching you stroke yourself til you are
raw. You never have anything original to add. Your mind is shut tight
to hear only yourself. There was another bravado here once who in
real life had no job and was damn near homeless. You remind me of that
person.

I'm through.

Go fuck yourself with a banana.

[Tom]

On Jun 14, 6:01 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom
I'm through.
Go fuck yourself with a banana.

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[Tom]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel Of Judas.

Ah, the notorious Gnostic fake.  It was written about 300 years after
Judas hanged himself, according to the other gospels.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel of Mary.

A papyrus dating from the 5th Century AD.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
I also happen to know old men who are quite able to retain facts,

Unless they're already dead, which without exception is true of men or
women who are more than 200 years old.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
unless of course you are doubting the word of Elders.

I often do.  Elders are no more reliable than anybody else.
Especially if they're not who they claim they are.
Got any other fakes, frauds, or fantasies to offer?  You seem to be a
bit short on any serious scholarship.  My point is that the accounts
of the life of Jesus are mythology, not history.  This is not in
dispute except among the most uneducated or dishonest of believers.

What is your problem? Seriously, over 10 years you have been trying to
win every freaking discussion here as if it is competition. You have
some serious ego issues dude. Let me know when you can have a
conversation. I am sick of watching you stroke yourself til you are
raw. You never have anything original to add. Your mind is shut tight
to hear only yourself.  There was another bravado here once who in
real life had no job and was damn near homeless. You remind me of that
person.

None of what you're saying now has anything to do with the discussion
of whether accounts of Jesus are historically accurate or mythological
in nature. You have abandoned the subject completely in order to
complain about what you perceive as my personal "problems". I've
challenged your claim about Christianity and Buddhism and provided
some information about scholarly opinions regarding the dates and
authorship of various gospels and Buddhist texts. Your only response
to this has been to accuse me of "ego issues" and having a closed
mind. It's very clear whose ego is being stroked here and which of us
is willing to discuss the issue with substantive information. You
have suggested that I have not studied the history of Christian or
Buddhist texts as much as you have and therefore you are right and I
am wrong. Yet the evidence doesn't seem to support that suggestion at
all.

[Tom]

None

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5bf
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[Tom]

Post by Tom

None

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5bf

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwse4wd436t
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[Tom]

Post by Tom

Post by Tom

None

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5bf

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwse4wd436t

On Jun 14, 9:24 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom

Post by Tom
I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv

It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

[zayton]

Post by Tom

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel Of Judas.

Ah, the notorious Gnostic fake. It was written about 300 years after
Judas hanged himself, according to the other gospels.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel of Mary.

A papyrus dating from the 5th Century AD.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
I also happen to know old men who are quite able to retain facts,

Unless they're already dead, which without exception is true of men
or women who are more than 200 years old.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
unless of course you are doubting the word of Elders.

I often do. Elders are no more reliable than anybody else.
Especially if they're not who they claim they are.
Got any other fakes, frauds, or fantasies to offer? You seem to be a
bit short on any serious scholarship. My point is that the accounts
of the life of Jesus are mythology, not history. This is not in
dispute except among the most uneducated or dishonest of believers.

What is your problem? Seriously, over 10 years you have been trying
to win every freaking discussion here as if it is competition. You
have some serious ego issues dude. Let me know when you can have a
conversation. I am sick of watching you stroke yourself til you are
raw. You never have anything original to add. Your mind is shut tight
to hear only yourself. There was another bravado here once who in
real life had no job and was damn near homeless. You remind me of
that person.

None of what you're saying now has anything to do with the discussion
of whether accounts of Jesus are historically accurate or mythological
in nature.

They are self-evidently mythological in nature; but this does not rule out
the use of historically accurate materiels being used in condtructing the
mythos.

You have abandoned the subject completely in order to

Post by Tom
complain about what you perceive as my personal "problems". I've
challenged your claim about Christianity and Buddhism and provided
some information about scholarly opinions regarding the dates and
authorship of various gospels and Buddhist texts. Your only response
to this has been to accuse me of "ego issues" and having a closed
mind. It's very clear whose ego is being stroked here and which of us
is willing to discuss the issue with substantive information. You
have suggested that I have not studied the history of Christian or
Buddhist texts as much as you have and therefore you are right and I
am wrong. Yet the evidence doesn't seem to support that suggestion at
all.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Tom

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel Of Judas.

Ah, the notorious Gnostic fake. It was written about 300 years after
Judas hanged himself, according to the other gospels.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel of Mary.

A papyrus dating from the 5th Century AD.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
I also happen to know old men who are quite able to retain facts,

Unless they're already dead, which without exception is true of men or
women who are more than 200 years old.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
unless of course you are doubting the word of Elders.

I often do. Elders are no more reliable than anybody else.
Especially if they're not who they claim they are.
Got any other fakes, frauds, or fantasies to offer? You seem to be a
bit short on any serious scholarship. My point is that the accounts
of the life of Jesus are mythology, not history. This is not in
dispute except among the most uneducated or dishonest of believers.

What is your problem? Seriously, over 10 years you have been trying to
win every freaking discussion here as if it is competition.

It IS!
The ULTIMATE WAR TO END WAR!
IF the WARRING Blondes, beat the Red's of the Dark Side, it's all over!
They can't wait to see the show!
2 Brothers wrestling.
Thing is it is Titans vs Gods, and this Olde Guard, just gotta go!
Gettin Hoovered cause ya Wear Panties, is a CIVIL VIOLATION!
There "AIN'T" no "PINK NAZI'S"!
Told Cutler that a Long Time Ago!

[Carrie]

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel Of Judas.

Ah, the notorious Gnostic fake. It was written about 300 years after
Judas hanged himself, according to the other gospels.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel of Mary.

A papyrus dating from the 5th Century AD.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
I also happen to know old men who are quite able to retain facts,

Unless they're already dead, which without exception is true of men or
women who are more than 200 years old.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
unless of course you are doubting the word of Elders.

I often do. Elders are no more reliable than anybody else.
Especially if they're not who they claim they are.

Got any other fakes, frauds, or fantasies to offer? You seem to be a
bit short on any serious scholarship. My point is that the accounts
of the life of Jesus are mythology, not history. This is not in
dispute except among the most uneducated or dishonest of believers.

No one really knows. And if they did, it wouldn't be too relavent to the
year 2011. We are living our own "history" (creating it) now.

[Tom]

 My point is that the accounts

of the life of Jesus are mythology, not history.  This is not in
dispute except among the most uneducated or dishonest of believers.
 No one really knows. And if they did, it wouldn't be too relavent to the
year 2011.  We are living our own "history" (creating it) now.

I completely agree with you here, Carrie. When we tell stories whose
factual basis is unknown, but which seem relevant to our human
condition at the moment, those stories are mythic, not historic. The
factual basis for myth is not the important point. What's important
is the underlying message that we are sending ourselves in the here
and now. When we lose that focus and start telling ourselves that
those stories are literally true, not just figuratively true, we begin
to confuse ourselves, to lose touch with the basic ground of our
existence, which is the immediate and vital present moment. It is
that basic ground that imbues our stories with whatever truth they may
convey. Lose that and your stories cease to have any truth in them at
all.

[Tom]

I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[Tom]

On Jun 14, 9:24 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom

I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k

It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

[Tom]

Post by Tom
On Jun 14, 9:24 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom

I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv
It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

[Tom]

On Jun 14, 12:24 pm, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom
That's X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv
It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted.  It's
certainly gotten a reaction.  Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted.  It's
certainly gotten a reaction.  Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

Oh, yes. Here's his second ID.

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k

You'll see that one a lot too. Just check those full headers. Rule
of Thumb: Any posts originating from NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org,
regardless of who is identified as the sender, are forgeries.

[Tom]

Post by Tom

Post by Tom
On Jun 14, 9:24 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom

I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv
It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

Oh, yes. Here's his second ID.

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k

You'll see that one a lot too. Just check those full headers. Rule
of Thumb: Any posts originating from NNTP Server -
http://www.x-privat.org, regardless of who is identified as the
sender, are forgeries.

[Sidney Lambe]

Post by Tom

Post by Tom

Post by Tom
On Jun 14, 9:24 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom

I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv
It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

Oh, yes. Here's his second ID.
X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k
You'll see that one a lot too. Just check those full headers. Rule
of Thumb: Any posts originating from NNTP Server -
http://www.x-privat.org, regardless of who is identified as the
sender, are forgeries.

[deleted]

Here comes cocksucker "Tom", a pussy if there ever were pussies.

He thinks anyone who thinks like a pedophile is "a coward"?

That doesn't surprise me.

You are obviusly incapable of thinking clearly.

I'll be reading even more of your shit articles now, and telling
the world what I think of them. And about the joys of pedophilia.

And you'll live with it, because the superstitious garbage you
call 'save the children' couldn't make water wet.

[Bassos]

On Jun 14, 9:24 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom

I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k
It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

Infinite vortex approaching.

neglect starves the Beast.

[Absorbed]

On Jun 14, 9:24 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom

I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k
It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

Just the latest in a long line of people in alt.magick who cannot handle
a bit of truth telling, the only difference being that this person likes
to impersonate others.

That he's only cutting and pasting your messages now suggests he tiring
of committing any effort to his impersonation, which was poor to begin
with. Although, to be fair, headers aside, you're a hard man to impersonate.

Is this the geezer that you called a coward for a different
impersonation? Seems you hit the nail on the head.

[Tom]

Post by Absorbed

On Jun 14, 9:24 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom

I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k
It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

Just the latest in a long line of people in alt.magick who cannot handle
a bit of truth telling, the only difference being that this person likes
to impersonate others.
That he's only cutting and pasting your messages now suggests he tiring
of committing any effort to his impersonation, which was poor to begin
with. Although, to be fair, headers aside, you're a hard man to impersonate.
Is this the geezer that you called a coward for a different
impersonation? Seems you hit the nail on the head.

It appears to be more than one, perhaps several people from
alt.usenet.kooks. It is a Peter J. Ross led invasion.

[unknown]

Post by Tom

Post by Absorbed

On Jun 14, 9:24 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom

I

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wdfwsesdfafg

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k
It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

Just the latest in a long line of people in alt.magick who cannot handle
a bit of truth telling, the only difference being that this person likes
to impersonate others.
That he's only cutting and pasting your messages now suggests he tiring
of committing any effort to his impersonation, which was poor to begin
with. Although, to be fair, headers aside, you're a hard man to impersonate.
Is this the geezer that you called a coward for a different
impersonation? Seems you hit the nail on the head.

It appears to be more than one, perhaps several people from
alt.usenet.kooks. It is a Peter J. Ross led invasion.

Hardly. We don't "invade" we envelope ;)

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Post by Tom

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel Of Judas.

Ah, the notorious Gnostic fake. It was written about 300 years after
Judas hanged himself, according to the other gospels.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
There is the Gospel of Mary.

A papyrus dating from the 5th Century AD.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
I also happen to know old men who are quite able to retain facts,

Unless they're already dead, which without exception is true of men or
women who are more than 200 years old.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
unless of course you are doubting the word of Elders.

I often do. Elders are no more reliable than anybody else.
Especially if they're not who they claim they are.
Got any other fakes, frauds, or fantasies to offer? You seem to be a
bit short on any serious scholarship. My point is that the accounts
of the life of Jesus are mythology, not history.

Thing is the MYTHOLOGY, would not "EXIST" but for the fact THERE WAS a
REAL PERSON who the WORLD saw fit to take Note Of, regardless of YOUR
PERSONAL OPINION!
The fact the Church "BURNED" his teachings as DANGEROUS to the CHURCH,
didn't HELP a THING!
Then they made SATAN, Someone to be HUNTED AT WILL, which is why the
Warning in Revelations!
Doesn't happen until "AFTER", they try to "MURDER", the 2!
THEN, SATAN beats the Shit out of the WORLD forcing GOD HIMSELF to
INTERVENE!!

11: at least in MY BOOKS, comes BEFORE 13:!
But I could be wrong!

[Sidney Lambe]

On alt.religion.wicca, Angelique Bouchard <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
[delete]

Darn, my bitch filter deleted the body of her post.

Again.

[Angelique Bouchard]

I use evidence to draw reasoned conclusions.  You use imagination to
make up fantastical ones.  These two processes are not synonymous.

PS..Do try to keep your bravado down. If you were as intelligent and
all knowing as you try to claim yourself to be, you would not be on
usenet discussion groups 24/7 claiming yourself to be all knowing. The
world would actually have a place for you outside of here where your
intelligence would be of some use.

[Tom]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

I use evidence to draw reasoned conclusions.  You use imagination to
make up fantastical ones.  These two processes are not synonymous.

PS..Do try to keep your bravado down. If you were as intelligent and
all knowing as you try to claim yourself to be, you would not be on
usenet discussion groups 24/7 claiming yourself to be all knowing.

I would like you to quote any statement of mine in which I claimed to
be all knowing. You won't be able to because no such claim was ever
made by me. Like I say, you use imagination to make up fantastical
conclusions. Here's yet another example of it.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Post by Tom

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Tom
I use evidence to draw reasoned conclusions. You use imagination to
make up fantastical ones. These two processes are not synonymous.

PS..Do try to keep your bravado down. If you were as intelligent and
all knowing as you try to claim yourself to be, you would not be on
usenet discussion groups 24/7 claiming yourself to be all knowing.

I would like you to quote any statement of mine in which I claimed to
be all knowing.

You, call "ME", a NUT, based on YOUR "OPINION", of "WHAT ISN'T"!
I CAN "PROVE" what I talk about!
YOU Can't!
mladya, is in a fashion KIN and KNOWS what I MEAN, for the Most Part!
Faeroe and Faerie were among the "12 Tribes" of the Achean League,
"FAIRIES", DO EXIST!
The TRIBES OF THE EUNUCH'S, "SETHIAN'S, that is something which "I" Found
ROME, tried to Erase!
That she don't get, but tries anyway!
Something YOU DON'T DO!
However JACOBITES, Do Exist as well!
There are Many "KIN", to that Tribe!
WWII HISTORY in fact talks about the "Boy's Who Wear Skirts, or Lady's of
Hel", and the People they represent!
I found "Why", the BOY's Wear Skirts!
Dyionisis, to Keep a LONG Story short!
NUADA'S "PERFECT BODY" had NOTHING to do with "His Arm"!
LUGH, tells the Story from There!
Lugh's, Great Love, was Bloudwed, most don't get THAT FAR!
If they do it is a "FAIRY TALE" he made Bloudwed from "The Flowers"!
The "Yuezhi", are "The Flowers of Spring and Autumn"!
Totemic Messages built in to the story are there for a reason.
You just can't "See" what they mean, cause they ain't "Talking" to you!
But it still is "MY FAMILY TREE, and scares me far more than anyone else out
there!
Eshu doesn't "WAN'T to Be King!
You want it take it, the people are crazy!
They just Knock People off that Pedestal!
So YOU "Go DO", but Leave ME out of it!
However You fuck up, I will be there to Correct You, "I" am the FIRST BORN!
Why the Clan is Badb of the PEOPLE!
The Lowley Farm Hick who takes the Emperor down, or the Pig who teaches the
King Humility!
Richard the Lionheart, returning as a Peasant, to LEARN the TRUTH from "The
PEOPLE"!!
Not your Brotha Billy the Spiritualist LEECHER of the SHEEPLE, "SELLING
SECRETS" to the GATE to HEAVEN!
But, the "ANGELS" fell to Earth in a SILVER WHEEL, which is Buried in a
Mountainside, and has a Connection to what Ancients called the Rainbow
Bridge, or a Teletransportation System Across the Universe, for one, and the
Other, seems to have the ability of "Time" Travel!
"I" am the Fucking KEY, there, all you gotta do is take a WALK!!
Something so few are ready or willing to do!
Lum of the Hod, take away the Sin's of the World!
Don't know about you but "I" am the Uir of Nanna and Dagda, Born of Sin!
A Trade Mark of my Family is the fact we "CAN" Prove It!
The FACT that the Eponymous of the Yuezhi, and Magh, can Trace there HISTORY
back to the Beginnings is "HISTORICAL RECORD"!
They have Consistently, BLOWN PEOPLE MINDS with it!
The "Fairy Tale Part blew mine, for sure!
Leprechaun's, or "WEE FOLK" "OF THE HOUSE OF ABRAHAM"??
Elves?
Tuatha De Dannan?
Doc Alfar?
CONNAN/CO-ANON?
SET?
WHAT?

Did you know Leprechaun in Gaelic comes out Lieferic'on!!
REDS, "WERE" VIKINGS!
In Fact there The VIKING, who went Viking, ON the VIKING, and Kicked their
Ass out of "OUR HOMELANDS"!
Life "AIN'T" all about "Blond Haired, PRETTY PEOPLE"!

[Angelique Bouchard]

Post by Tom

Post by Angelique Bouchard

I use evidence to draw reasoned conclusions.  You use imagination to
make up fantastical ones.  These two processes are not synonymous.

PS..Do try to keep your bravado down. If you were as intelligent and
all knowing as you try to claim yourself to be, you would not be on
usenet discussion groups 24/7 claiming yourself to be all knowing.

I would like you to quote any statement of mine in which I claimed to
be all knowing.  You won't be able to because no such claim was ever
made by me.  Like I say, you use imagination to make up fantastical
conclusions.  Here's yet another example of it.<

Just re-read yourself here. I don't enjoy having a conversation with
you because you are always calling people out and injecting how others
are wrong and you are right. You have no clue how to discuss. You are
rude, over bearing and make assumptions about people and things you
claim as fact. You don't win arguments. people just get sick of
reading your bravado. You are closed minded and insist your facts are
truths. Thousands of other people know how to have conversations. Over
ten years I have tried several times with you and I always come to the
same feeling. You make me gag and you are not worth the effort.

[Tom]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Tom
I would like you to quote any statement of mine in which I claimed to
be all knowing.  You won't be able to because no such claim was ever
made by me.  Like I say, you use imagination to make up fantastical
conclusions.  Here's yet another example of it.

Just re-read yourself here. I don't enjoy having a conversation with
you because you are always calling people out and injecting how others
are wrong and you are right.

I also give verifiable reasons why I'm challenging some claim or
defending some claim of my own.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
You have no clue how to discuss.

That *is* how to discuss.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
You are rude, over bearing and make assumptions about people and things you
claim as fact.

Rude? Perhaps. Blunt, assuredly. What assumptions do you think I'm
making? What specific evidence do you have for concluding the
assumptions you think I make?

You just say stuff and think that simply saying it is sufficient for
people to believe it. Well, I don't take anyone's say-so alone as
sufficient evidence that they are correct. I keep asking for the
evidence upon which you base the things you say. If that bears you
over, then perhaps it's best for you not to read any of my posts.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
You don't win arguments.

My Usenet discussions are not about winning or losing. They about
thinking critically and examining evidence. A lot of people find this
difficult to take.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
people just get sick of
reading your bravado.

How are you defining "bravado"?

Post by Angelique Bouchard
You are closed minded and insist your facts are
truths.

"Truths" are articles of unquestioned faith and have nothing to do
with facts at all, as far as I can tell. Facts are self-evident
phenomena. They are not "my facts" or "your facts". They do not vary
from person to person. If they do, then they are not facts but
opinions. I don't confuse facts or opinions with "truths". As for
having an "open mind", I'm always willing to listen to reasoned
arguments, even if their conclusions differ from mine. However,
unsupported assertions are not reasoned arguments. If you feel that
unsupported assertions must be given equal weight with assertions
supported by verifiable evidence in order to have an "open mind", then
your mind is so open that your brain has fallen out.

Post by Angelique Bouchard
Thousands of other people know how to have conversations. Over
ten years I have tried several times with you and I always come to the
same feeling. You make me gag and you are not worth the effort.

So basically, you're telling me that what I say pisses you off. Well,
that comes as no surprise. It should also come as no surprise that I
don't particularly care. I am patient, though. Sometimes people get
over the shock and actually start thinking. It doesn't happen often,
but I've seen it happen occasionally.

[A B]

Post by Tom
My Usenet discussions are not about winning or losing. They about
thinking critically and examining evidence. A lot of people find this
difficult to take.
Then again, I'm a fucking liar to the nth degree with a delusional view
of myself.

That takes a strong and courageous man to self-interpret himself so
accurately.

[A B]

Post by Tom
So basically, you're telling me that what I say pisses you off. Well,
that comes as no surprise. It should also come as no surprise that I
don't particularly care. I am patient, though. Sometimes people get
over the shock and actually start thinking. It doesn't happen often,
but I've seen it happen occasionally.
When it happens they think about me. They think "Tom, now there is
a really smart motherfucker. I should hang on his every word.
Maybe Tom will let me suck his dick!"

Over the top and I don't mean the glans.

[Sidney Lambe]

On alt.religion.wicca, Angelique Bouchard <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
[delete]

Darn, my bitch filter deleted the body of her post.

Again.
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/3c51274af8748941
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

[zayton]

Post by Tom

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Tom
The four gospels of the generally accepted bible were written down
so long after the events they supposedly depict that we don't even
know who exactly wrote them or whether or not their memories were
accurate. So what we actually know of a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth is fragmentary, suspect, and occasionally contradictory.
What comes down to us is the mythology, not the facts. The same is
true of Siddhartha, called the Buddha.<

It is fairly obvious, you do not do much research or study on them if
this is what you think.

Well, let's see...
The best estimates on the dates of the four gospels included in the
New Testament are that none of them were written until the fall of
Jerusalem, since that is mentioned in all of them. That would put
them at no earlier than 70 AD, a good 35-40 years after the alleged
crucifixion of Jesus. That would have made the writers, if indeed
they were the apostles at all, quite elderly men, assuming they
survived. Most scholars are willing to allow that Mark may have been
written that early, but the others were well past 100 AD,

Only the Gospel attributed to John is normally dated this late.

making the

Post by Tom
authorship by the actual apostles credited quite impossible. And
that's the most conservative of actually scholarly sources that don't
insist that the gospels were miraculously prophetic. It's quite
possible that they didn't make a written appearance in their present
form for another hundred years after that. The fragments discovered
in the Nag Hammadi, like the gospel of Thomas and the gospel of
Philip, were dated at about 300 to 400 AD.
As for Buddhist scriptures, the oldest claimed Buddhist text, the Pali
Canon, is alleged to have been written almost 400 years after the
death of Siddhartha.
If this information is incorrect, please cite the scholarly sources
that disagree and the arguments they are using to support an earlier
alternative claim. If you wish to claim that you have studied this
more than I have, trot out the evidence.

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Tom
However, you'll find that the fundamentals of Buddhism have nothing
at all to do with any god at all, let alone focus on a monotheistic
God. While some scholars, primarily Western synthesists much like
yourself, like to suggest that some Buddhist sects believe in a God
that corresponds to a Judeo-Christian God, they are a very small
minority.<

The fact being that what you think you know is just what you think
you know. That makes you no closer to the facts then the others who
are not close to the facts that do not know what they are talking
about. Always, has been your problem, Tom.

I use evidence to draw reasoned conclusions. You use imagination to
make up fantastical ones. These two processes are not synonymous.

[Tom]

Post by zayton

Post by Tom
The best estimates on the dates of the four gospels included in the
New Testament are that none of them were written until the fall of
Jerusalem, since that is mentioned in all of them.  That would put
them at no earlier than 70 AD, a good 35-40 years after the alleged
crucifixion of Jesus.  That would have made the writers, if indeed
they were the apostles at all, quite elderly men, assuming they
survived.  Most scholars are willing to allow that Mark may have been
written that early, but the others were well past 100 AD,

Only the Gospel attributed to John is normally dated this late.

By whom? The Christian faithful? Hardly disinterested parties.

The very first verifiable mention of any of the material that later
appeared as part of the four canonical gospels is from the First
Apology of Justin Martyr, who wrote this and a couple of other pieces
during the reign of Emperor Antoninus (138 -161 AD). We know this
because they began with an address to him. Justin does not mention
any of the four canonical gospels at all, but quotes a few lines
without any attribution. Nobody has the slightest idea where those
quotes came from or if Justin made them up himself or it they were
inserted later by interpolation, as often happened to virtually every
other writer of his time. The oldest known document purported to be
an actual gospel is a tiny fragment believed to be the Gospel of John
(Though who knows? It may have been an earlier work that John
borrowed for his own text. It's only a tiny fragment, after all.) is
estimated to be from around 125 AD. All other gospel documents are
centuries younger.

For more than a thousand years even casual questioning of the
authorship and dates of the gospels was considered rank heresy and was
punishable by the most horrific means and heretical works were
assiduously destroyed. Any evidence that the gospels might not be
genuine has certainly been zealously expunged from the archeological
and liturgical record.

Any estimate that dates the gospels any earlier than a good century
after the events allegedly portrayed is based on pure speculation.

The gospels are mythic, but cannot be reasonably regarded as historic.

[Sidney Lambe]

On alt.religion.wicca, Angelique Bouchard <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
[delete]

Darn, my bitch filter deleted the body of her post.

Again.

[Tom]

The

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrbdzgfs
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[Tom]

Post by Tom

The

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrbdzgfs

X-Authenticated-User: dv-094-0i-0it2i]ug90u9wug]-0w
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[Tom]

Post by Tom

Post by Tom

The

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrbdzgfs

X-Authenticated-User: dv-094-0i-0it2i]ug90u9wug]-0w

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv

It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

[Tom]

Post by Tom
The four gospels of the generally a

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv

It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

[Tom]

Post by Tom

Post by Tom
The four gospels of the generally a

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv
It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

Oh, yes. Here's his second ID.

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k

You'll see that one a lot too. Just check those full headers. Rule
of Thumb: Any posts originating from NNTP Server -
http://www.x-privat.org,
regardless of who is identified as the sender, are forgeries.

[Sidney Lambe]

[deleted]

Here comes cocksucker "Tom", a pussy if there ever were pussies.

He thinks anyone who thinks like a pedophile is "a coward"?

That doesn't surprise me.

You are obviusly incapable of thinking clearly.

I'll be reading even more of your shit articles now, and telling
the world what I think of them. And about the joys of pedophilia.

And you'll live with it, because the superstitious garbage you
call 'save the children' couldn't make water wet.

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Kaydon

Post by Kaydon

oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying
to get anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the
only way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

Once again, Miss Fluffy Bunny demonstrates her cluelessness.
Buddhism has the same relationship to the teachings of Buddha as
Christianity has to the teachings of Christ.<

This is actually true.

Post by Sidney Lambe
(The mis-named "Course in Miracles" is just Christianity in a
clumsy, New-Age disguise.)
In both cases, the teacher had nothing directly to do with
the fomration of the religions that pretend to further their
teachings.<

True/false. Jesus, as the Messiah did. Even as a Jew, not being the
Messiah, his teachings pointed to the one God and religion. Jesus as a
"New Age", bits and pieces taken out of context in the Gnostic Scrolls
does not. Buddha, never went into the God form teaching. Meaning he
did not peg a specific religion to a God name. He taught enlightenment
of how to reach God. Note..most text for Buddha say "God"..not Gods or
Goddess.\

A Course in Miracles says we are all one, and one with "God". The idea we
are in separate bodies is illusion. Doesn't say to ignore it (we ARE
choosing to live in it) just know there is something else.
Makes sense to me.

[Sidney Lambe]

On alt.religion.wicca, Carrie <***@charter.net> wrote:
[delete]

Hi Carrie. I've read the obviously mis-named "Course in Miracles"
(ACIM) 3 times now. I think it is just Christianity in a New-Age
disguise. It is a very deceitful document.

It promotes the very destructive false Christian beliefs, such
as: God has all the power and worth and is the only thing that
matters. That the supposed homelannd of God is the only valid
realm of activity.

That is dead wrong. I am a part of what God is. I am Divine.
I am Holy. I am Saved (even though there is nothing to be saved
from). I am Reborn.

I have just as much a right to existence and freedom and power
as God does.

The idea that we need Salvation is another destructive and false
Christian belief promoted in ACIM. There is nothing to be saved
from. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

Christians, and their bastard offspring like ACIM, are fearmongers,
creating false dangers or inflating minor ones because their
dreadful religions don't have anyything positive to offer.

So they create illusory dangers and offer to protect you
from them. It's a scam as old as prostitution.

[Angelique Bouchard]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Kaydon

Post by Kaydon

oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying
to get anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the
only way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

Once again, Miss Fluffy Bunny demonstrates her cluelessness.
Buddhism has the same relationship to the teachings of Buddha as
Christianity has to the teachings of Christ.<

This is actually true.

Post by Sidney Lambe
(The mis-named "Course in Miracles" is just Christianity in a
clumsy, New-Age disguise.)
In both cases, the teacher had nothing directly to do with
the fomration of the religions that pretend to further their
teachings.<

True/false. Jesus, as the Messiah did. Even as a Jew, not being the
Messiah, his teachings pointed to the one God and religion. Jesus as a
"New Age", bits and pieces taken out of context in the Gnostic Scrolls
does not. Buddha, never went into the God form teaching. Meaning he
did not peg a specific religion to a God name. He taught enlightenment
of how to reach God. Note..most text for Buddha say "God"..not Gods or
Goddess.\
  A Course in Miracles says we are all one, and one with "God". The idea we
are in separate bodies is illusion. Doesn't say to ignore it (we ARE
choosing to live in it) just know there is something else.
 Makes sense to me.- Hide quoted text <

Well garshk, if it makes sense to you it 'must' be the truth..hyuck.

Typical. The lot of you is why it is so embarriskin to be called a
Witch or Wiccan.

[Tom]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Kaydon

Post by Kaydon

oups.com ... On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Carrie"

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying
to get anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the
only way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

Once again, Miss Fluffy Bunny demonstrates her cluelessness.
Buddhism has the same relationship to the teachings of Buddha as
Christianity has to the teachings of Christ.<

This is actually true.

Post by Sidney Lambe
(The mis-named "Course in Miracles" is just Christianity in a
clumsy, New-Age disguise.)
In both cases, the teacher had nothing directly to do with
the fomration of the religions that pretend to further their
teachings.<

True/false. Jesus, as the Messiah did. Even as a Jew, not being the
Messiah, his teachings pointed to the one God and religion. Jesus as a
"New Age", bits and pieces taken out of context in the Gnostic Scrolls
does not. Buddha, never went into the God form teaching. Meaning he
did not peg a specific religion to a God name. He taught enlightenment
of how to reach God. Note..most text for Buddha say "God"..not Gods or
Goddess.\
  A Course in Miracles says we are all one, and one with "God". The idea we
are in separate bodies is illusion. Doesn't say to ignore it (we ARE
choosing to live in it) just know there is something else.
 Makes sense to me.- Hide quoted text <

Well garshk, if it makes sense to you it 'must' be the truth..hyuck.
Typical. The lot of you is why it is so embarriskin to be called a
Witch or Wiccan.

That leaves you out. Most people I know call you The Total Asshole.

[Tom]

On Jun 14, 6:03 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom
That leaves you out. Most people I know call you The Total Asshole.

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[Tom]

Post by Tom
On Jun 14, 6:03 am, someone pretending to be Tom

Post by Tom
That leaves you out. Most people I know call you The Total Asshole.

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb5b1k

That's X-Authenticated-User: $$i1x1l_eugnb9cl$bayv

It seems someone doesn't like his real x-privat User ID posted. It's
certainly gotten a reaction. Anybody who wants to know who a post is
actually from should check the original headers.

[Angelique Bouchard]

Post by Kaydon

Post by Tom

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on  not trying to get
anyone to believe anything, too.  Seems like it's the only way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

Now why on earth would you peg "Buddhist" as coining a phrase known in
every spectrum of beliefs?

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Post by Kaydon

Post by Tom

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying to get
anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the only way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

That is "STRICTLY a "ZEN" Teaching, which is in opposite to Mahayana!

[Kaydon]

Post by Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

Post by Kaydon

Post by Tom

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying to
get anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the only
way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

That is "STRICTLY a "ZEN" Teaching, which is in opposite to Mahayana!

It's lucky that there are several schools of Buddhism :o)

<3
xoxoxoxoo

[Carrie]

Post by Kaydon

Post by Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole

Post by Kaydon

Post by Tom

Post by Carrie
I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

Me neither.
I guess this means not getting anyone to agree on not trying to
get anyone to believe anything, too. Seems like it's the only
way to be.

The Buddhist way of saying this is: You can't change What Is <3

That is "STRICTLY a "ZEN" Teaching, which is in opposite to Mahayana!

It's lucky that there are several schools of Buddhism :o)

And one of them says "it doesn't matter, because it doesn't matter,
because it doesn't matter..."
Do any of them say "lighten up"? LOL

Post by Kaydon
<3
xoxoxoxoo
--
"To be or not to be, that is the question. Unless you're a photon."

[Kaydon]

Post by Carrie

Post by Kaydon
It's lucky that there are several schools of Buddhism :o)

And one of them says "it doesn't matter, because it doesn't matter,
because it doesn't matter..." Do any of them say "lighten up"? LOL

Yes. All of them do, and many other sources. Lightening up is implicit
in Enlightenment <3

xoxoxoo

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Kaydon

Post by Kaydon

Post by Carrie

Post by Kaydon
It's lucky that there are several schools of Buddhism :o)

There are hundreds, if not thousands.

Post by Kaydon

Post by Carrie
And one of them says "it doesn't matter, because it doesn't
matter, because it doesn't matter..." Do any of them say
"lighten up"? LOL

Yes. All of them do, and many other sources. Lightening up is
implicit in Enlightenment <3

Really? Then why this Zen Buddhist proverb?

"Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.
"After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water."

I think that the "light" in "enlightenment" refers
to illuminating the truth.

To get the best handle on what the Buddha really tried
to teach us, go straight to a translation of the Pali
Canon.

Buddhism bears the same relationship to the teachings of
Buddha as Christianity bears to the teachings of Christ.

Almost none.

[Tom]

Post by Tom
Me neither.

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[Tom]

Post by Tom

Post by Tom
Me neither.

X-Authenticated-User: $$gwb280vy_w$wjxejkkrb

X-Authenticated-User: dv-094-0i-0it2i]ug90u9wug]-0w
X-Complaints-To: ***@x-privat.org

[HG]

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Blessed be,

I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to
use it as a signature but some (Christians?)

How could a Christian not recognize a fellow Christian?
All ACIM is is Christianity in a New-Age disguise.

Post by Carrie
would get upset by it. One of them asked me if I was a
Satanist.
That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really
care. In fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if
that's what they want to see someone who blesses them as.

You can't bless anyone. That's already been done by God.
All existence is Blessed.
You can hope that they will recognize this fact, and experience
their true state of grace, but you can't make it happen.
And you can remove any chance they'd have of experiencing it if
you get them to believe that ACIM garbage.

I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

That doesn't matter. *Sid* thinks you do. And His word counts, while
ours don't.


Sid, in His infinite wisdom, knows us better than we do.


For example, he has rightfully chastised me, because according to Sid I
have claimed to have magical powers.

True, I cannot remember ever saying so, and I cannot find any evidence
for it. But after all I'm just a fallible and limited mortal.

If Sid says something then it must be true. I trust His Infallible Word
more than my own mere human memory or the fallible Google archives.


All hail Sid, Lord Almighty of the Universe and the Savior of everyone!


HG

[Carrie]

Post by HG

Post by Carrie

Post by Sidney Lambe

Post by Carrie

Blessed be,

I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to
use it as a signature but some (Christians?)

How could a Christian not recognize a fellow Christian?
All ACIM is is Christianity in a New-Age disguise.

Post by Carrie
would get upset by it. One of them asked me if I was a
Satanist.
That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really
care. In fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if
that's what they want to see someone who blesses them as.

You can't bless anyone. That's already been done by God.
All existence is Blessed.
You can hope that they will recognize this fact, and experience
their true state of grace, but you can't make it happen.
And you can remove any chance they'd have of experiencing it if
you get them to believe that ACIM garbage.

I don't try and get anyone to believe anything.

That doesn't matter. *Sid* thinks you do. And His word counts, while
ours don't.
Sid, in His infinite wisdom, knows us better than we do.
For example, he has rightfully chastised me, because according to Sid I
have claimed to have magical powers.

If you really did, would Sid still be here? LOL

Post by HG
True, I cannot remember ever saying so, and I cannot find any evidence
for it. But after all I'm just a fallible and limited mortal.

He says stuff about ACIM which isn't really true, except in his perception
of it. And the same with the Jane Roberts book he uses as a weapon. Ask him
for quotes or what he bases any of this on. It's just something to throw out
to try and start. Doesn't matter what, just that someone responds to it.

Post by HG
If Sid says something then it must be true. I trust His Infallible Word
more than my own mere human memory or the fallible Google archives.

I'm sure you know, and I do, that no one can have any power over us
unless we give it to them. Like does anyone really CARE what "Sid" says or
thinks about us? Getting that feeling of power when someone responds and
defends themself (like what he says is important) is probably the payoff.
Not saying not to give it to him, just realize what it is. Ignoring and
shunning someone, even when we believe that's the only peaceful solution,
might not be the kindest in all cases.

He seems to need conflict and people thinking what he says (here)
matters in some way, to feel better about himself.. he gives so much
attention to it.

Post by HG
All hail Sid, Lord Almighty of the Universe and the Savior of everyone!
HG

[unknown]

Post by Carrie
I'm sure you know, and I do, that no one can have any power over us
unless we give it to them. Like does anyone really CARE what "Sid" says or
thinks about us? Getting that feeling of power when someone responds and
defends themself (like what he says is important) is probably the payoff.
Not saying not to give it to him, just realize what it is. Ignoring and
shunning someone, even when we believe that's the only peaceful solution,
might not be the kindest in all cases.
He seems to need conflict and people thinking what he says (here)
matters in some way, to feel better about himself.. he gives so much
attention to it.

Very sensible, but I'd just like to say that if you pay careful attention to
which postings really are Mr Lambe and which are Little Miss Echo, it might
be easier. (You do it by reading along the Path: header, if it ends up with
"x-privat.org" it's Little Miss Echo. Of course, that leaves the question
of how to handle Little Miss Echo.

Bless you, and LME too,

[Carrie]

Post by unknown

Post by Carrie
I'm sure you know, and I do, that no one can have any power over us
unless we give it to them. Like does anyone really CARE what "Sid" says
or thinks about us? Getting that feeling of power when someone responds
and defends themself (like what he says is important) is probably the
payoff. Not saying not to give it to him, just realize what it is.
Ignoring and shunning someone, even when we believe that's the only
peaceful solution, might not be the kindest in all cases.
He seems to need conflict and people thinking what he says (here)
matters in some way, to feel better about himself.. he gives so much
attention to it.

Very sensible, but I'd just like to say that if you pay careful attention
to which postings really are Mr Lambe and which are Little Miss Echo, it
might be easier. (You do it by reading along the Path: header, if it ends
up with "x-privat.org" it's Little Miss Echo. Of course, that leaves the
question of how to handle Little Miss Echo.

I think my take on it would apply to Little Miss Echo, too.
And as long as Sidney has been posting on the group I am (talk religion
course-miracle) he's had some kind of annoymous surfer and no IP number
showing. So, anyone using something that hides their IP number and any info
is basically the same.
If you put his name, email address in google search it goes back over a
lot of pages and time.It even goes back to a time when he wasn't using
annoymous surfer. But, of course, anyone who knows how (or maybe magick?)
can make it look like something else.
Sidney, and Little miss Echo, and whatever else he uses for names, are
still bascially the same.
I'm thinking maybe I should check out some of the groups he is cross
posting to directly (I did with alt magick awhile back, but had to reinstall
Windows and didn't get all the links back and didn't subscribe to it in
usenet till just now) Maybe he is showing me a lot of other interesting
groups.
Seems like sometimes when I have tried putting a topic in and finding
newsgroups, they are all spam and porn links and nothing much of interest
(well to me). I used to go on the ones microsoft had (their own server) for
their programs, and learn a lot, and get answers to questions, but they
phased them out.

Post by unknown
Bless you, and LME too,
--
A. B.
My e-mail address is zen177395 at zendotcodotuk.
I don't check that account very often, so tell me on the newsgroup if
you've sent me an e-mail.

[Angelique Bouchard]

Blessed be,

   I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to use it as a
signature but some (Christians?) would get upset by it. One of them asked me
if I was a Satanist.
  That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really care. In
fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if that's what they want to
see someone who  blesses them as.

It is not Wiccan to say Blessed Be. The Wiccan's stole that from the
Old Catholic Religion. I am sure they do think of you as a Satanist.
Anything Pagan, is Idol Worship that the Christian God forbids.
Doesn't matter if you worship Satan or other Gods. All the same.

[Carrie]

Post by Carrie

Blessed be,

I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to use it as a
signature but some (Christians?) would get upset by it. One of them asked me
if I was a Satanist.
That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really care. In
fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if that's what they want to
see someone who blesses them as.

It is not Wiccan to say Blessed Be. The Wiccan's stole that from the
Old Catholic Religion. I am sure they do think of you as a Satanist.
Anything Pagan, is Idol Worship that the Christian God forbids.
Doesn't matter if you worship Satan or other Gods. All the same.

I didn't know that. Since I don't believe in Satan (only the belief in
anything gives reality to it) it doesn't really matter. It just seemed to
disturb the peace of people to sign "Blessed Be"
I used to be on discussion groups with someoe who added on (a signature
that posted everytime) "may the force be with you". Which is a good saying,
on it's own. But she would argue with people and poing out their faults and
no matter what she wrote that signature would be on the bottom. Another one
like that had on hers "bless you Child of God". And the same thing. Some of
what she wrote were pointing out how others were wrong and their faults and
such. Then at the end would be "bless you Child of God".
It started to get funny. I think on these groups we get into ego stuff
and issues and forget to lighten up. Like "does this really matter?" Most
of the time it's just words on the computer screen.

[Angelique Bouchard]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Carrie

Blessed be,

I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to use it as a
signature but some (Christians?) would get upset by it. One of them asked me
if I was a Satanist.
That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really care. In
fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if that's what they want to
see someone who blesses them as.

It is not Wiccan to say Blessed Be. The Wiccan's stole that from the
Old Catholic Religion. I am sure they do think of you as a Satanist.
Anything Pagan, is Idol Worship that the Christian God forbids.
Doesn't matter if you worship Satan or other Gods. All the same.
    I didn't know that. Since I don't believe in Satan (only the belief  in
anything gives reality to it) it doesn't really matter. It just seemed to
disturb the peace of people to sign "Blessed Be"
   I used to be on discussion groups with someoe who added on (a signature
that posted everytime) "may the force be with you".  Which is a good saying,
on it's own. But she would argue with people and poing out their faults and
no matter what she wrote that signature would be on the bottom. Another one
like that had on hers "bless you Child of God". And the same thing. Some of
what she wrote were pointing out how others were wrong and their faults and
such. Then at the end would be "bless you Child of God".
    It started to get funny. I think on these groups we get into ego stuff
and issues and forget to lighten up. Like "does this really matter?"  Most
of the time it's just words on the computer screen.

If words on a computer screen do not matter, why do you input them?

[Sidney Lambe]

on talk.religion.course-miracle, Angelique Bouchard
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:
[delete]

Do like my new bitch filter? It allows me to call up a reply with the
body deleted.

(this fake witch is so predictable)

[Carrie]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Carrie

Blessed be,

I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to use it as a
signature but some (Christians?) would get upset by it. One of them
asked
me
if I was a Satanist.
That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really care. In
fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if that's what they
want
to
see someone who blesses them as.

It is not Wiccan to say Blessed Be. The Wiccan's stole that from the
Old Catholic Religion. I am sure they do think of you as a Satanist.
Anything Pagan, is Idol Worship that the Christian God forbids.
Doesn't matter if you worship Satan or other Gods. All the same.
I didn't know that. Since I don't believe in Satan (only the belief in
anything gives reality to it) it doesn't really matter. It just seemed to
disturb the peace of people to sign "Blessed Be"
I used to be on discussion groups with someoe who added on (a signature
that posted everytime) "may the force be with you". Which is a good
saying,
on it's own. But she would argue with people and poing out their faults and
no matter what she wrote that signature would be on the bottom. Another one
like that had on hers "bless you Child of God". And the same thing. Some of
what she wrote were pointing out how others were wrong and their faults and
such. Then at the end would be "bless you Child of God".
It started to get funny. I think on these groups we get into ego stuff
and issues and forget to lighten up. Like "does this really matter?" Most
of the time it's just words on the computer screen.

If words on a computer screen do not matter, why do you input them?

It's interesting and I learn from them. I think a better way of saying "it
doesn't matter" is don't take something some stranger, who doesn't know you,
on the internet, says, personally. It doesn't matter in the feeling bad,
hurt ego sense. It matters to the extent we allow it to.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Post by Angelique Bouchard

Post by Carrie

Blessed be,

I like that, I know it's Wiccan and it says a lot. I used to use it as a
signature but some (Christians?) would get upset by it. One of them asked me
if I was a Satanist.
That was years ago, and now I'm at a point where I don't really care. In
fact I'd like them to think of me as a Satanist, if that's what they want to
see someone who blesses them as.

It is not Wiccan to say Blessed Be. The Wiccan's stole that from the
Old Catholic Religion. I am sure they do think of you as a Satanist.
Anything Pagan, is Idol Worship that the Christian God forbids.
Doesn't matter if you worship Satan or other Gods. All the same.

Thing is, JESUS falls in there too, they just don't accept that!
No Difference between a CHRISTIAN and what They call a SATANIST, both sell their
soul for instant gratification!