Praying for Bin Laden

[Carrie]

Aside from the majority who are happy- estatic that Bin Laden (the utimate
enemy- the modern day Hitler) has now been killed, and his body dumped into
the ocean, there are some now who are getting into the "spiritual" thinking
about this. Well, on the so-called "spiritual" groups. They are looking at
it in a different way (or think they are). Of course, this wouldn't be too
popular to write about overall, they'd be called unpatriotic and traitors,
etc.
I read on one (supposedly an ACIM group), people being asked to join in
prayers "for Bin Laden" to help him change his mind..
Aside from the fact the person is, we are told -DEAD, do they think that
someone going into Spirit, or whatever (pure positive energy, without a
body) will have a mind that still sees things like we've been told Bin Laden
did, and needs prayers to somehow manipulate him into thinking differently?
According to ACIM (the way I believe it) it would be "my mind" that needs
to change, and not see him as the enemy- out there, the symbol of all that's
bad, and evil and dangerous. In need of HIS mind being changed. If "I AM
responsible for what I see...(etc)" as the course teaches.
Of course, there's also the idea of me changing my mind and not seeing
"others" seeing him as the enemy, and his mind in need of changing. But,
this is just offered here for possible discussion.
So much of it goes on on the "Christian" groups, where prayers are asked
in order to manipulate someone or something a certain way. Like "pray that
my lazy no good son in law takes this job he is offered but doesn't really
want!" (just an example not actual fact (LOL) Like who is to say what
someone else should or shouldn't do, and ask others to join in prayer (mind
control) to somehow push the person into it?
Back to Bin Laden, I once read the story of the scapegoat, as told in
the bible. How back in that time, people would get together once a year, and
symbolically pile their problems and debts and troubles, etc onto a goat...
then drive the goat out into the desert and stone it to death. Getting rid
of all the stuff they didn't want, in a symbolic way. No concern for the
poor goat...
That, supposedly, is how the term "scapegoat" came about.
And seeing enemies, and people "out there" to dump everything we don't
like and feel good about on- symbolically, and then killing them (for real)
seems to still be going on. The course calls this projection. Actually
psychiatry also speaks of it, calling it "transference". Though it doesn't
usually get to the point of actually killing someone, in the material sense.
You see your issues and where you need healing "out there" in someone else,
and at some point, realize this and where the problems really are.
There are probably laws now about doing it to goats.
So many people now feel so much better this one man has been killed
and his body dumped into the ocean. After almost 10 years, and a trillian
dollars, and 42,000 or so Americans killed or wounded, and several countries
destroyed. All for the killing (destroying the body of) this one man.
The world of illusion really is insane.

[Sidney Lambe]

On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie
Aside from the majority who are happy- estatic that Bin
Laden (the utimate enemy- the modern day Hitler) has now been
killed, and his body dumped into the ocean, there are some
now who are getting into the "spiritual" thinking about this.
Well, on the so-called "spiritual" groups. They are looking
at it in a different way (or think they are). Of course, this
wouldn't be too popular to write about overall, they'd be
called unpatriotic and traitors, etc. I read on one (supposedly
an ACIM group), people being asked to join in prayers "for Bin
Laden" to help him change his mind.. Aside from the fact the
person is, we are told -DEAD, do they think that someone going
into Spirit, or whatever (pure positive energy, without a body)
will have a mind that still sees things like we've been told
Bin Laden did, and needs prayers to somehow manipulate him into
thinking differently? According to ACIM (the way I believe it)
it would be "my mind" that needs to change, and not see him
as the enemy- out there, the symbol of all that's bad, and
evil and dangerous. In need of HIS mind being changed. If "I
AM responsible for what I see...(etc)" as the course teaches.
Of course, there's also the idea of me changing my mind and
not seeing "others" seeing him as the enemy, and his mind in
need of changing. But, this is just offered here for possible
discussion. So much of it goes on on the "Christian" groups,
where prayers are asked in order to manipulate someone or
something a certain way. Like "pray that my lazy no good son
in law takes this job he is offered but doesn't really want!"
(just an example not actual fact (LOL) Like who is to say what
someone else should or shouldn't do, and ask others to join in
prayer (mind control) to somehow push the person into it? Back
to Bin Laden, I once read the story of the scapegoat, as told
in the bible. How back in that time, people would get together
once a year, and symbolically pile their problems and debts and
troubles, etc onto a goat... then drive the goat out into the
desert and stone it to death. Getting rid of all the stuff they
didn't want, in a symbolic way. No concern for the poor goat...
That, supposedly, is how the term "scapegoat" came about. And
seeing enemies, and people "out there" to dump everything we
don't like and feel good about on- symbolically, and then
killing them (for real) seems to still be going on. The course
calls this projection. Actually psychiatry also speaks of it,
calling it "transference". Though it doesn't usually get to
the point of actually killing someone, in the material sense.
You see your issues and where you need healing "out there" in
someone else, and at some point, realize this and where the
problems really are. There are probably laws now about doing
it to goats. So many people now feel so much better this one
man has been killed and his body dumped into the ocean. After
almost 10 years, and a trillian dollars, and 42,000 or so
Americans killed or wounded, and several countries destroyed.
All for the killing (destroying the body of) this one man. The
world of illusion really is insane.

By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.

America has been bombing Muslims since the late 1950's:
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...

It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who
weren't doing anything but living in their own country.

Just for starters.

You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the
world's leading purveyor of terrorism.

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
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Post by Carrie
Aside from the majority who are happy- estatic that Bin
Laden (the utimate enemy- the modern day Hitler) has now been
killed, and his body dumped into the ocean, there are some
now who are getting into the "spiritual" thinking about this.
Well, on the so-called "spiritual" groups. They are looking
at it in a different way (or think they are). Of course, this
wouldn't be too popular to write about overall, they'd be
called unpatriotic and traitors, etc. I read on one (supposedly
an ACIM group), people being asked to join in prayers "for Bin
Laden" to help him change his mind.. Aside from the fact the
person is, we are told -DEAD, do they think that someone going
into Spirit, or whatever (pure positive energy, without a body)
will have a mind that still sees things like we've been told
Bin Laden did, and needs prayers to somehow manipulate him into
thinking differently? According to ACIM (the way I believe it)
it would be "my mind" that needs to change, and not see him
as the enemy- out there, the symbol of all that's bad, and
evil and dangerous. In need of HIS mind being changed. If "I
AM responsible for what I see...(etc)" as the course teaches.
Of course, there's also the idea of me changing my mind and
not seeing "others" seeing him as the enemy, and his mind in
need of changing. But, this is just offered here for possible
discussion. So much of it goes on on the "Christian" groups,
where prayers are asked in order to manipulate someone or
something a certain way. Like "pray that my lazy no good son
in law takes this job he is offered but doesn't really want!"
(just an example not actual fact (LOL) Like who is to say what
someone else should or shouldn't do, and ask others to join in
prayer (mind control) to somehow push the person into it? Back
to Bin Laden, I once read the story of the scapegoat, as told
in the bible. How back in that time, people would get together
once a year, and symbolically pile their problems and debts and
troubles, etc onto a goat... then drive the goat out into the
desert and stone it to death. Getting rid of all the stuff they
didn't want, in a symbolic way. No concern for the poor goat...
That, supposedly, is how the term "scapegoat" came about. And
seeing enemies, and people "out there" to dump everything we
don't like and feel good about on- symbolically, and then
killing them (for real) seems to still be going on. The course
calls this projection. Actually psychiatry also speaks of it,
calling it "transference". Though it doesn't usually get to
the point of actually killing someone, in the material sense.
You see your issues and where you need healing "out there" in
someone else, and at some point, realize this and where the
problems really are. There are probably laws now about doing
it to goats. So many people now feel so much better this one
man has been killed and his body dumped into the ocean. After
almost 10 years, and a trillian dollars, and 42,000 or so
Americans killed or wounded, and several countries destroyed.
All for the killing (destroying the body of) this one man. The
world of illusion really is insane.

By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who
weren't doing anything but living in their own country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the
world's leading purveyor of terrorism.

Of course, to the other countries who are getting bombed and destroyed by
the USA (for whatever reason) the Americans are the terrosts.

Post by Sidney Lambe
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

[Carrie]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

Post by Carrie
Aside from the majority who are happy- estatic that Bin
Laden (the utimate enemy- the modern day Hitler) has now been
killed, and his body dumped into the ocean, there are some
now who are getting into the "spiritual" thinking about this.
Well, on the so-called "spiritual" groups. They are looking
at it in a different way (or think they are). Of course, this
wouldn't be too popular to write about overall, they'd be
called unpatriotic and traitors, etc. I read on one (supposedly
an ACIM group), people being asked to join in prayers "for Bin
Laden" to help him change his mind.. Aside from the fact the
person is, we are told -DEAD, do they think that someone going
into Spirit, or whatever (pure positive energy, without a body)
will have a mind that still sees things like we've been told
Bin Laden did, and needs prayers to somehow manipulate him into
thinking differently? According to ACIM (the way I believe it)
it would be "my mind" that needs to change, and not see him
as the enemy- out there, the symbol of all that's bad, and
evil and dangerous. In need of HIS mind being changed. If "I
AM responsible for what I see...(etc)" as the course teaches.
Of course, there's also the idea of me changing my mind and
not seeing "others" seeing him as the enemy, and his mind in
need of changing. But, this is just offered here for possible
discussion. So much of it goes on on the "Christian" groups,
where prayers are asked in order to manipulate someone or
something a certain way. Like "pray that my lazy no good son
in law takes this job he is offered but doesn't really want!"
(just an example not actual fact (LOL) Like who is to say what
someone else should or shouldn't do, and ask others to join in
prayer (mind control) to somehow push the person into it? Back
to Bin Laden, I once read the story of the scapegoat, as told
in the bible. How back in that time, people would get together
once a year, and symbolically pile their problems and debts and
troubles, etc onto a goat... then drive the goat out into the
desert and stone it to death. Getting rid of all the stuff they
didn't want, in a symbolic way. No concern for the poor goat...
That, supposedly, is how the term "scapegoat" came about. And
seeing enemies, and people "out there" to dump everything we
don't like and feel good about on- symbolically, and then
killing them (for real) seems to still be going on. The course
calls this projection. Actually psychiatry also speaks of it,
calling it "transference". Though it doesn't usually get to
the point of actually killing someone, in the material sense.
You see your issues and where you need healing "out there" in
someone else, and at some point, realize this and where the
problems really are. There are probably laws now about doing
it to goats. So many people now feel so much better this one
man has been killed and his body dumped into the ocean. After
almost 10 years, and a trillian dollars, and 42,000 or so
Americans killed or wounded, and several countries destroyed.
All for the killing (destroying the body of) this one man. The
world of illusion really is insane.

By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who
weren't doing anything but living in their own country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the
world's leading purveyor of terrorism.

Of course, my point in the post was why does BinLaden, especially now
that he is (we are told) DEAD need anyone's prayers? Unless maybe to help
him get into heaven, but that's not what those who say they believe in ACIM
believe.
I remember the time Marianne Williamson caused quite a stir (and was
almost killed by Billy Graham's son, also on the show (LOL) because she said
we are all "Children of God" and even Hitler was in Heaven.
What a terrible thing to say... I usually get people mad by asking who,
exactly did Hitler kill? So, he ordered people to kill, but they had the
choice not to. This might also apply to Charles Manson, but saying that
makes people even madder. Hiter couldn't have done a thing, without people
agreeing with him enough to do what he wanted. On his own he was nothing but
a small, nothing little man.

Post by Sidney Lambe
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

[Sidney Lambe]

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Post by Sidney Lambe
By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who
weren't doing anything but living in their own country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the world's
leading purveyor of terrorism.

[delete]

she said we are all "Children of God" and even Hitler
was in Heaven. What a terrible thing to say

She spoke the Truth.

There isn't anything but "Heaven". There's no 'place'
else to go.

[delete]

[Carrie]

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Post by Sidney Lambe
By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who
weren't doing anything but living in their own country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the world's
leading purveyor of terrorism.

[delete]

she said we are all "Children of God" and even Hitler
was in Heaven. What a terrible thing to say

She spoke the Truth.
There isn't anything but "Heaven". There's no 'place'
else to go.

I agree with you (and Marianne). It sure freaks out the Christians,
though. The same way they say ACIM is "dangerous" because there's nothing in
it that says we need to accept Jesus as our Savior, be "saved" and born
again.
Long ago, before I had a computer and internet I used to write to (and
receive from) penpals. Friends by mail. After I got interested in ACIM and
told them about it, several of them got very mad. Furious. Though I had
never indicated to them I was any kind of born again Christian. Several of
them ended up writing mean letters and saying they no longer wanted to write
to me, because of my crazy new age ideas. And I hadn't been preaching about
it to them, just mentioned the book and the ideas in it, and such. One of
them wrote to another (who also knew me, and let me know) that she was "very
much afraid" I would get into the new age stuff, and thus not be open to
being "saved" (and going to heaven?) One of them actually bought the ACIM
book to see what it was about, flipped through it, and said she wanted
nothing more to do with me. The book didn't say anywhere (that she could
see) the need to be "saved by the Blood of Christ" who died for our sins!
She didn't even want the book in her house. (I remember a Mormon I knew who
felt that way about Stephen King books and movies. Didn't want them in her
house, or her kids reading/seeing them)
Then one time 2 Jehovah's Witnesses came to the door, and I said "I have
my own beliefs". I think they are now trained to respond a certain way, not
to directly contradict or say someone's beliefs are wrong, but go along with
it, till they can see WHAT you believe and find a way of changing your mind
about it, and to their way. I told them "A Course in Miracles". One of them
said he had heard of that.. and could he look at it? I showed it to him, he
flipped through it, reading lines here and there and going "hmmm" like he
was really interested. Then he offered to set up a time, once a week, when
they could come and go over this book with me, and they could show me point
by point how and why it was wrong.
After I finally got rid of them, I remembered that and never tried to
get into "my beliefs" with someone who's main point wasn't to learn about
them, and understand, but to learn about them enough to find a way of making
them wrong.
To each his (or her) own. I had no interest in going over the ACIM book
in order to show them (try to) how THEIR beliefs were wrong.
Part of their beliefs seem to be it's holy and will earn them a spot in
Heaven if people slam the door on them or push them down the stairs... (one
of them was once telling me this, someone pushed her down the stairs one
time because she stood there- "witnessing" and wouldn't leave)
But, that is another story... People who are afriad of someone's beliefs,
have to make it wrong. Seems like if they believe their own way, and sure of
it, that would be enough.

Post by Sidney Lambe
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Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

[Sidney Lambe]

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By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who
weren't doing anything but living in their own country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the world's
leading purveyor of terrorism.

[delete]

she said we are all "Children of God" and even Hitler was in
Heaven. What a terrible thing to say

She spoke the Truth.
There isn't anything but "Heaven". There's no 'place' else to
go.

I agree with you (and Marianne). It sure freaks out the
Christians, though.

That doesn't make any sense. ACIM is just another one of the
30,000+ officialy-recognized denominations of Chrstianity.

That's why it's full of Biblical symbolism and terminology
and concepts.

"The Nature of Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts describes the
Truth without any of that. Of course. The Truth existed long, long
before Jesus and Moses came on the scene.

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[Carrie]

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Post by Sidney Lambe
By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who
weren't doing anything but living in their own country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the world's
leading purveyor of terrorism.

[delete]

she said we are all "Children of God" and even Hitler was in
Heaven. What a terrible thing to say

She spoke the Truth.
There isn't anything but "Heaven". There's no 'place' else to
go.

I agree with you (and Marianne). It sure freaks out the
Christians, though.

That doesn't make any sense. ACIM is just another one of the
30,000+ officialy-recognized denominations of Chrstianity.
That's why it's full of Biblical symbolism and terminology
and concepts.

It's written in biblical language for lack of anything else. Doesn't
mean the same thing, though. This is made clear.

Post by Sidney Lambe
"The Nature of Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts describes the
Truth without any of that. Of course. The Truth existed long, long
before Jesus and Moses came on the scene.

And before you came along to tell people what it is...

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Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

[Sidney Lambe]

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By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians
who weren't doing anything but living in their own
country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the
world's leading purveyor of terrorism.

[delete]

she said we are all "Children of God" and even Hitler was
in Heaven. What a terrible thing to say

She spoke the Truth.
There isn't anything but "Heaven". There's no 'place' else
to go.

I agree with you (and Marianne). It sure freaks out the
Christians, though.

That doesn't make any sense. ACIM is just another one of the
30,000+ officialy-recognized denominations of Chrstianity.
That's why it's full of Biblical symbolism and terminology and
concepts.

It's written in biblical language for lack of anything
else.

That's nonsense. Plain, modern, vernacular English works
just fine.

The vocabulary of Hinduism (Yoga) and Buddhism were available
to the authors of ACIM and are quite superior to the Christian
vocabulary for describing things beyond space and time.

Post by Carrie
Doesn't mean the same thing, though. This is made clear.

That's what I mean by ACIM being one of the most deceptive
documents I've ever read.

Because that is an outright lie. The authors of ACIM were
Christian zealots. No one else could produce such a
document and justify its dishonesty to themselves.

In the same way other Christians have justified torturing
people to death in order to make them convert to
to Christianity.

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[Carrie]

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By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians
who weren't doing anything but living in their own
country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the
world's leading purveyor of terrorism.

[delete]

she said we are all "Children of God" and even Hitler was
in Heaven. What a terrible thing to say

She spoke the Truth.
There isn't anything but "Heaven". There's no 'place' else
to go.

I agree with you (and Marianne). It sure freaks out the
Christians, though.

That doesn't make any sense. ACIM is just another one of the
30,000+ officialy-recognized denominations of Chrstianity.
That's why it's full of Biblical symbolism and terminology and
concepts.

It's written in biblical language for lack of anything
else.

That's nonsense. Plain, modern, vernacular English works
just fine.
The vocabulary of Hinduism (Yoga) and Buddhism were available
to the authors of ACIM and are quite superior to the Christian
vocabulary for describing things beyond space and time.

Post by Carrie
Doesn't mean the same thing, though. This is made clear.

That's what I mean by ACIM being one of the most deceptive
documents I've ever read.
Because that is an outright lie. The authors of ACIM were
Christian zealots. No one else could produce such a
document and justify its dishonesty to themselves.
In the same way other Christians have justified torturing
people to death in order to make them convert to
to Christianity.

However you see it is whatever it is to you.

Post by Sidney Lambe
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--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.

[Sidney Lambe]

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By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than
OBL ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians
who weren't doing anything but living in their own
country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the
world's leading purveyor of terrorism.

[delete]

she said we are all "Children of God" and even Hitler was
in Heaven. What a terrible thing to say

She spoke the Truth.
There isn't anything but "Heaven". There's no 'place' else
to go.

I agree with you (and Marianne). It sure freaks out the
Christians, though.

That doesn't make any sense. ACIM is just another one of the
30,000+ officialy-recognized denominations of Chrstianity.
That's why it's full of Biblical symbolism and terminology
and concepts.

It's written in biblical language for lack of anything
else.

That's nonsense. Plain, modern, vernacular English works just
fine.
The vocabulary of Hinduism (Yoga) and Buddhism were available
to the authors of ACIM and are quite superior to the Christian
vocabulary for describing things beyond space and time.

Post by Carrie
Doesn't mean the same thing, though. This is made clear.

That's what I mean by ACIM being one of the most deceptive
documents I've ever read.
Because that is an outright lie. The authors of ACIM were
Christian zealots. No one else could produce such a document
and justify its dishonesty to themselves.
In the same way other Christians have justified torturing
people to death in order to make them convert to to
Christianity.

However you see it is whatever it is to you.

As long as you believe that Truth is whatever you want
it to be....

You will remain a basket-case.

Honesty is the key to magick, and magick is all there is.

[Carrie]

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By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than
OBL ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians
who weren't doing anything but living in their own
country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the
world's leading purveyor of terrorism.

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she said we are all "Children of God" and even Hitler was
in Heaven. What a terrible thing to say

She spoke the Truth.
There isn't anything but "Heaven". There's no 'place' else
to go.

I agree with you (and Marianne). It sure freaks out the
Christians, though.

That doesn't make any sense. ACIM is just another one of the
30,000+ officialy-recognized denominations of Chrstianity.
That's why it's full of Biblical symbolism and terminology
and concepts.

It's written in biblical language for lack of anything
else.

That's nonsense. Plain, modern, vernacular English works just
fine.
The vocabulary of Hinduism (Yoga) and Buddhism were available
to the authors of ACIM and are quite superior to the Christian
vocabulary for describing things beyond space and time.

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Doesn't mean the same thing, though. This is made clear.

That's what I mean by ACIM being one of the most deceptive
documents I've ever read.
Because that is an outright lie. The authors of ACIM were
Christian zealots. No one else could produce such a document
and justify its dishonesty to themselves.
In the same way other Christians have justified torturing
people to death in order to make them convert to to
Christianity.

However you see it is whatever it is to you.

As long as you believe that Truth is whatever you want
it to be....

I think that would be truth is what we (each) believe it to be, and see it
as. If this is what we also want, than that would relate.

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You will remain a basket-case.

How you choose to see it.

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Honesty is the key to magick, and magick is all there is.

Well, I am honest, if nothing else. I would get along better with people
if I wasn't LOL
The trouble I find with one person's version of "truth" compared to
another's is, who's version gets to be THE truth and everyone else's is
wrong?
But, we have gone over this in various ways (and with various people, or
people using various different names) for many years.

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However you see it is whatever it is to you.

As long as you believe that Truth is whatever you want it to
be....

I think that would be truth is what we (each) believe it to
be, and see it as. If this is what we also want, than that
would relate.

You will remain a basket-case.

How you choose to see it.

Well, considering that the number of people who take the misnamed
"course in miracles" at face value is far below statistical
significance, I'd say I have a lot of company. After all these
years it remains an obscure cult.

Because it produces mean airheads like you.

Spoiled little girls and boys who refuse to grow up.

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However you see it is whatever it is to you.

As long as you believe that Truth is whatever you want it to
be....

I think that would be truth is what we (each) believe it to
be, and see it as. If this is what we also want, than that
would relate.

You will remain a basket-case.

How you choose to see it.

Well, considering that the number of people who take the misnamed
"course in miracles" at face value is far below statistical
significance, I'd say I have a lot of company. After all these
years it remains an obscure cult.
Because it produces mean airheads like you.
Spoiled little girls and boys who refuse to grow up.

Just because you don't understand it and are afraid of it. Like making
out it's "Christian" because of the language when that is used in a
metaphorical way.
I'm thinking it's too deep for you, or you are so set on seeing it the
way you have decided it is, that's what it is for you.
Which proves my point about everyone seeing things in their own way,
and getting what what they choose to see/feel about something.
Not that it had to be proven. To me, the "Truth" as you like to
throw the word around, is in the mind of the believer, and doesn't need to
be proven and doesn't need even one other person to agree to make it feel
true and right.

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However you see it is whatever it is to you.

As long as you believe that Truth is whatever you want it to
be....

I think that would be truth is what we (each) believe it to
be, and see it as. If this is what we also want, than that
would relate.

You will remain a basket-case.

How you choose to see it.

Well, considering that the number of people who take the
misnamed "course in miracles" at face value is far below
statistical significance, I'd say I have a lot of company.
After all these years it remains an obscure cult.
Because it produces mean airheads like you.
Spoiled little girls and boys who refuse to grow up.

Just because you don't understand it and are afraid of
it.

I understand ACIM better than you do. You are oblivious to
the sub-text, its real message.

[Carrie]

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However you see it is whatever it is to you.

As long as you believe that Truth is whatever you want it to
be....

I think that would be truth is what we (each) believe it to
be, and see it as. If this is what we also want, than that
would relate.

You will remain a basket-case.

How you choose to see it.

Well, considering that the number of people who take the
misnamed "course in miracles" at face value is far below
statistical significance, I'd say I have a lot of company.
After all these years it remains an obscure cult.
Because it produces mean airheads like you.
Spoiled little girls and boys who refuse to grow up.

Just because you don't understand it and are afraid of
it.

I understand ACIM better than you do. You are oblivious to
the sub-text, its real message.

The real message isn't conveyed in the words on the pages.
The content is based on love.

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However you see it is whatever it is to you.

As long as you believe that Truth is whatever you want it
to be....

I think that would be truth is what we (each) believe it
to be, and see it as. If this is what we also want, than
that would relate.

You will remain a basket-case.

How you choose to see it.

Well, considering that the number of people who take the
misnamed "course in miracles" at face value is far below
statistical significance, I'd say I have a lot of company.
After all these years it remains an obscure cult.
Because it produces mean airheads like you.
Spoiled little girls and boys who refuse to grow up.

Just because you don't understand it and are afraid of
it.

I understand ACIM better than you do. You are oblivious to the
sub-text, its real message.

The real message isn't conveyed in the words on the pages .
The content is based on love .

The content is based on the Christian mythology. It's a form
of Esoteric Christianity.

Christianity stinks.

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

[Carrie]

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The real message isn't conveyed in the words on the pages .
The content is based on love .

The content is based on the Christian mythology. It's a form
of Esoteric Christianity.
Christianity stinks.
"By their fruits ye shall know them."

I agree, I just don't agree that ACIM is Christian. Actually, it's just
the opposite. You are seeing it the way you want to see it. Which, of
course, is your choice.
I don't kow how we got from Bin Laden to Christianity but it seems to
happen a lot here.
I remember after 9-11 there were pictures of people celebrating and
cheering and dancing in the streets, supposedly the Muslums celebrating the
attack on America. Turned out, someone verified it, it wasn't even from that
time, and was something else a clip was taken from. But, people (some) were
horrified at the idea the enemy had done this to America and was then
opening celebrating and mocking "us". So, why is it any different to
celebrate the death of Bin Laden? Who may, or may not have really been
behind any of the stuff he was blamed for, for almost 10 years after. Also,
I keep seeing conflicting stories, first he shot back at them so they had to
kill him, now it's saying he was unarmed.
I don't go looking for stories about this, they just kind of drift by
me. Hopefully at some point it will be over. Though from now on May 1 will
probably be considered a national holiday...
ACIM says "the world of illusion is insane". To me, this makes
sense. And, I don't think has anything to do with Christianity, being SAVED
and Jesus dying for our sins. The course says there is no sin. And "Jesus"
was and is our teacher, like an elder brother. I don't read what you do into
it, but you get what you are looking for. I still don't understand why it
matters so much to you what "others" believe. To meTHAT is what Christians
do, make others wrong and try and push their beliefs on everyone else.

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The real message isn't conveyed in the words on the pages .
The content is based on love .

The content is based on the Christian mythology. It's a form
of Esoteric Christianity.
Christianity stinks.
"By their fruits ye shall know them."

I agree, I just don't agree that ACIM is Christian.

No one but a Christian would use many of those words and
concepts.

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Actually, it's just the opposite.

Actually, it _pretends_ to be the opposite, but is really
just the same old sad song.

ACIM was written by skilled propagandists.

It is the most deceitful document I have ever knowingly
encountered.

"The Nature of Persoal Reality" by Jane Roberts is written in
clear, everday English.

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The real message isn't conveyed in the words on the pages .
The content is based on love .

The content is based on the Christian mythology. It's a form
of Esoteric Christianity.
Christianity stinks.
"By their fruits ye shall know them."

I agree, I just don't agree that ACIM is Christian.

No one but a Christian would use many of those words and
concepts.

Post by Carrie
Actually, it's just the opposite.

Actually, it _pretends_ to be the opposite, but is really
just the same old sad song.
ACIM was written by skilled propagandists.
It is the most deceitful document I have ever knowingly
encountered.

Once again, there doesn't seem to be anything to discuss.

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"The Nature of Persoal Reality" by Jane Roberts is written in
clear, everday English.
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The real message isn't conveyed in the words on the pages .
The content is based on love .

The content is based on the Christian mythology. It's a form
of Esoteric Christianity.
Christianity stinks.
"By their fruits ye shall know them."

I agree, I just don't agree that ACIM is Christian.

No one but a Christian would use many of those words and
concepts.

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Actually, it's just the opposite.

Actually, it _pretends_ to be the opposite, but is really
just the same old sad song.
ACIM was written by skilled propagandists.
It is the most deceitful document I have ever knowingly
encountered.

Once again, there doesn't seem to be anything to discuss.

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"The Nature of Persoal Reality" by Jane Roberts is written in
clear, everday English.
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Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wicca
http://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh - http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
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The real message isn't conveyed in the words on the .
The pages content is based on love .

The content is based on the Christian mythology. It's a form
of Esoteric Christianity.
Christianity stinks.
"By their fruits ye shall know them."

I agree, I just don't agree that ACIM is Christian.

No one but a Christian would use many of those words and
concepts.

Post by Sidney Lambe
Actually, it's just the opposite.

Actually, it _pretends_ to be the opposite, but is really just
the same old sad song.
ACIM was written by skilled propagandists.
It is the most deceitful document I have ever knowingly
encountered.

Once again, there doesn't seem to be anything to discuss.

Truth is not a matter of consensus. That's politics.

The Truth simply is. It doesn't care whether you like it or
agree with it or not. You can't change it.

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"The Nature of Persoal Reality" by Jane Roberts is written in
clear, everday English.

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Once again, there doesn't seem to be anything to discuss.

Truth is not a matter of consensus. That's politics.
The Truth simply is. It doesn't care whether you like it or
agree with it or not. You can't change it.

I agree! The truth simply is. Is this something to continually argue
and go in circles about? It sounds good to me, to just accept it. I think
the problems come up when one person (in this case you) decide YOUR truth is
the only real truth, and if others don't seem to agree with this, they are
wrong. If the truth simply is, what is there to argue about? Books?

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"The Nature of Persoal Reality" by Jane Roberts is written in
clear, everday English.

Does it tell you to make other people's beliefs, that you personally
don't agree with, wrong? Are you saying you, and how you write on here, are
an example about what Seth teaches people to be?

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So this will be Carrie telling me I'm wrong again.

If I'm wrong all the time, why does she keep reading
my posts?

The misnamed "course in miracles" is just Christianity
in a new-age costume. Same old crap.

If you are interested in simple truth, try "The Nature of
Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts.

[Carrie]

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So this will be Carrie telling me I'm wrong again.
If I'm wrong all the time, why does she keep reading
my posts?

Because you're interesting. And, most of the time you are the only
other person posting here.

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The misnamed "course in miracles" is just Christianity
in a new-age costume. Same old crap.
If you are interested in simple truth, try "The Nature of
Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts.
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So this will be Carrie telling me I'm wrong again.
If I'm wrong all the time, why does she keep reading my posts?

Because you're interesting. And, most of the time you are
the only other person posting here.

Good enough! :-)

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The misnamed "course in miracles" is just Christianity in a
new-age costume. Same old crap.
If you are interested in simple truth, try "The Nature of
Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts.

[Kaydon]

Carrie wrote:

<snip>

I urge you to not fall into "right and wrong" trap that is trying be
laid for u, Carrie <3

xoxoxoxoo

[Carrie]

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<snip>
I urge you to not fall into "right and wrong" trap that is trying be
laid for u, Carrie <3

There is nothing to fall into. He can be "right" if he wants. It
doesn't matter one way or the other to me.

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xoxoxoxoo
--
"If you think I'm weird, consider this. You base your opinion of me on
the things you know about me. Think of all the things you don't know.
If you did know them, I'd seem ten times weirder."

[Kaydon]

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<snip>
I urge you to not fall into "right and wrong" trap that is trying be
laid for u, Carrie <3

There is nothing to fall into. He can be "right" if he wants. It
doesn't matter one way or the other to me.

lol-yes:P

<3
xoxoxoxoo

[Carrie]

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<snip>
I urge you to not fall into "right and wrong" trap that is trying be
laid for u, Carrie <3

There is nothing to fall into. He can be "right" if he wants. It
doesn't matter one way or the other to me.

lol-yes:P

I should add that doesn't mean I think everything he writes is
worthless, and not to be considered, and learned from. But, only if it's
something that seems "right" to me (for me) Which still doesn't make him
wrong.

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<3
xoxoxoxoo
--
"If you think I'm weird, consider this. You base your opinion of me on
the things you know about me. Think of all the things you don't know.
If you did know them, I'd seem ten times weirder."

[Kaydon]

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However you see it is whatever it is to you.

As long as you believe that Truth is whatever you want
it to be....

I think that would be truth is what we (each) believe it to be, and
see it as. If this is what we also want, than that would relate.

Simple way resolve this - there no such thing as *the* truth, that is -
a truth that applies to everyone. There a whole heap *my* truths tho.
What is *my* truth no necessairly *your* truth. Anyone who claim *the*
truth is a bit ... well ... barmy:P

<3
xoxoxoxoo

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However you see it is whatever it is to you.

As long as you believe that Truth is whatever you want
it to be....

I think that would be truth is what we (each) believe it to be, and
see it as. If this is what we also want, than that would relate.

Simple way resolve this - there no such thing as *the* truth, that is -
a truth that applies to everyone. There a whole heap *my* truths tho.
What is *my* truth no necessairly *your* truth. Anyone who claim *the*
truth is a bit ... well ... barmy:P

Yes, and a lot of people seem to do this. Like how they personally
see something and believe it is THE TRUTH and everyone should know this!
Probably, overall, it's best to just let them believe what they want
and not try and discuss it.
Some people "get" the idea of personal perception, interpretation,
and such (their truth) and some don't seem to.
It probably doesn't do any harm unless they start actually fighting
over it and killing those who don't believe as they do. Which has probably
happened a lot in the history of "time".

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<3
xoxoxoxoo
--
"If you think I'm weird, consider this. You base your opinion of me on
the things you know about me. Think of all the things you don't know.
If you did know them, I'd seem ten times weirder."

[Kaydon]

People who are afriad of someone's beliefs, have to make it wrong. >

Seems like if they believe their own way, and sure of it, that would be

enough.

Yes, that my stance aswell. No matter what someone believes, that's
fine by me. Even if I do not agree whit someone's beliefs, so what?? Is
there belief,. no mine. Who am I to say someone else beliefs are
wrong?? And who are they to say y belief are wrong?? Right and wrong
mean I agree whit a opinion, or I do not. The nature of truth dictates
that someone, somewhere will think it rong.

<
xoxoxoxoxoo

[Carrie]

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People who are afriad of someone's beliefs, have to make it wrong. >

Seems like if they believe their own way, and sure of it, that would be

enough.

Yes, that my stance aswell. No matter what someone believes, that's
fine by me. Even if I do not agree whit someone's beliefs, so what?? Is
there belief,. no mine. Who am I to say someone else beliefs are
wrong?? And who are they to say y belief are wrong?? Right and wrong
mean I agree whit a opinion, or I do not. The nature of truth dictates
that someone, somewhere will think it rong.

Yes, and this seems like the most peaceful way to be.
Sometimes I get told "there's a RIGHT way and everyone knows what this
is". But, who really knows? And who gets to decide, if there are
differences about something?
I once got tired of arguing with someone (online) about something and
said "yes, you are right". The person said "NO you are WRONG!" I guess you
can't win LOL

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<
xoxoxoxoxoo
--
"If you think I'm weird, consider this. You base your opinion of me on
the things you know about me. Think of all the things you don't know.
If you did know them, I'd seem ten times weirder."

[Kaydon]

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People who are afriad of someone's beliefs, have to make it wrong. >

Seems like if they believe their own way, and sure of it, that would be

enough.

Yes, that my stance aswell. No matter what someone believes, that's
fine by me. Even if I do not agree whit someone's beliefs, so
what?? Is there belief,. no mine. Who am I to say someone else
beliefs are wrong?? And who are they to say y belief are wrong??
Right and wrong mean I agree whit a opinion, or I do not. The
nature of truth dictates that someone, somewhere will think it rong.

Yes, and this seems like the most peaceful way to be.
Sometimes I get told "there's a RIGHT way and everyone knows what
this is". But, who really knows? And who gets to decide, if there
are differences about something? I once got tired of arguing with
someone (online) about something and said "yes, you are right". The
person said "NO you are WRONG!" I guess you can't win LOL

lulz ^_^

Aleister Crowley was, admittedly, a bit of a ruffian:P But he had some
awesome theories. In his second lecture on Yoga - "Yoga for yahoos" -
he tells us teh same thing I said. That all systems of mysticism are
identical. Teh olny difference are in methods used. Teachings have been
hopelessley confuse by all kinds of prejudice. European systemms of
Yoga (Yoke - union whit the Absolute/God/whatever_name) are muddled to
point of being next to useless. Buddhism is pretty close at complete.
Anyway ... identical <3

xoxoxoxoo

[Carrie]

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Post by Kaydon

People who are afriad of someone's beliefs, have to make it wrong. >

Seems like if they believe their own way, and sure of it, that would be

enough.

Yes, that my stance aswell. No matter what someone believes, that's
fine by me. Even if I do not agree whit someone's beliefs, so
what?? Is there belief,. no mine. Who am I to say someone else
beliefs are wrong?? And who are they to say y belief are wrong??
Right and wrong mean I agree whit a opinion, or I do not. The
nature of truth dictates that someone, somewhere will think it rong.

Yes, and this seems like the most peaceful way to be.
Sometimes I get told "there's a RIGHT way and everyone knows what
this is". But, who really knows? And who gets to decide, if there
are differences about something? I once got tired of arguing with
someone (online) about something and said "yes, you are right". The
person said "NO you are WRONG!" I guess you can't win LOL

lulz ^_^
Aleister Crowley was, admittedly, a bit of a ruffian:P But he had some
awesome theories. In his second lecture on Yoga - "Yoga for yahoos" -
he tells us teh same thing I said. That all systems of mysticism are
identical. Teh olny difference are in methods used. Teachings have been
hopelessley confuse by all kinds of prejudice. European systemms of
Yoga (Yoke - union whit the Absolute/God/whatever_name) are muddled to
point of being next to useless. Buddhism is pretty close at complete.
Anyway ... identical <3
xoxoxoxoo

Sort of like all path lead to the same place.
I haven't researched Crowley too much, just heard stories now and then.
Like Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin) bought a house once owned by him and
supposedly found a lot of writings and info. And learned about the place
(castle in the sky) one could only get to via astral projection.

And, of course the song did (Mr Crowley... what is wrong with your
head) There are people who step outside what most people think of as
"reality" and others think there's something wrong with them. Well, maybe
not all others. Jesus, Crowley, Sai Baga (though I've heard he was exposed
as a fraud using videos, but maybe because people WANTED him to be a fraud).
Criss Angel who walks on water and levitates and pretends he is using
"tricks" (cameras, wires, etc) to do it. If he didn't he'd be crucified
like Jesus.
People are afraid of what they don't understand and what doesn't fit in
their little "box" of beliefs.

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"If you think I'm weird, consider this. You base your opinion of me on
the things you know about me. Think of all the things you don't know.
If you did know them, I'd seem ten times weirder."

[Michael Harcourt]

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 Aside from the majority who are happy- estatic that Bin
Laden (the utimate enemy- the modern day Hitler) has now been
killed, and his body dumped into the ocean, there are some
now who are getting into the "spiritual" thinking about this.
Well, on the so-called "spiritual" groups. They are looking
at it in a different way (or think they are). Of course, this
wouldn't be too popular to write about overall, they'd be
called unpatriotic and traitors, etc. I read on one (supposedly
an ACIM group), people being asked to join in prayers "for Bin
Laden" to help him change his mind.. Aside from the fact the
person is, we are told -DEAD, do they think that someone going
into Spirit, or whatever (pure positive energy, without a body)
will have a mind that still sees things like we've been told
Bin Laden did, and needs prayers to somehow manipulate him into
thinking differently? According to ACIM (the way I believe it)
it would be "my mind" that needs to change, and not see him
as the enemy- out there, the symbol of all that's bad, and
evil and dangerous. In need of HIS mind being changed. If "I
AM responsible for what I see...(etc)" as the course teaches.
Of course, there's also the idea of me changing my mind and
not seeing "others" seeing him as the enemy, and his mind in
need of changing. But, this is just offered here for possible
discussion. So much of it goes on on the "Christian" groups,
where prayers are asked in order to manipulate someone or
something a certain way. Like "pray that my lazy no good son
in law takes this job he is offered but doesn't really want!"
(just an example not actual fact (LOL) Like who is to say what
someone else should or shouldn't do, and ask others to join in
prayer (mind control) to somehow push the person into it? Back
to Bin Laden, I once read the story of the scapegoat, as told
in the bible. How back in that time, people would get together
once a year, and symbolically pile their problems and debts and
troubles, etc onto a goat... then drive the goat out into the
desert and stone it to death. Getting rid of all the stuff they
didn't want, in a symbolic way. No concern for the poor goat...
That, supposedly, is how the term "scapegoat" came about. And
seeing enemies, and people "out there" to dump everything we
don't like and feel good about on- symbolically, and then
killing them (for real) seems to still be going on. The course
calls this projection. Actually psychiatry also speaks of it,
calling it "transference". Though it doesn't usually get to
the point of actually killing someone, in the material sense.
You see your issues and where you need healing "out there" in
someone else, and at some point, realize this and where the
problems really are. There are probably laws now about doing
it to goats. So many people now feel so much better this one
man has been killed and his body dumped into the ocean. After
almost 10 years, and a trillian dollars, and 42,000 or so
Americans killed or wounded, and several countries destroyed.
All for the killing (destroying the body of) this one man. The
world of illusion really is insane.

By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who
weren't doing anything but living in their own country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the
world's leading purveyor of terrorism.
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wiccahttp://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh-http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.- Hide quoted text -
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Hey, Sidney. Fuck you. Love, Mike

[Michael Harcourt]

Post by Sidney Lambe
On talk.religion.course-miracle, Carrie

 Aside from the majority who are happy- estatic that Bin
Laden (the utimate enemy- the modern day Hitler) has now been
killed, and his body dumped into the ocean, there are some
now who are getting into the "spiritual" thinking about this.
Well, on the so-called "spiritual" groups. They are looking
at it in a different way (or think they are). Of course, this
wouldn't be too popular to write about overall, they'd be
called unpatriotic and traitors, etc. I read on one (supposedly
an ACIM group), people being asked to join in prayers "for Bin
Laden" to help him change his mind.. Aside from the fact the
person is, we are told -DEAD, do they think that someone going
into Spirit, or whatever (pure positive energy, without a body)
will have a mind that still sees things like we've been told
Bin Laden did, and needs prayers to somehow manipulate him into
thinking differently? According to ACIM (the way I believe it)
it would be "my mind" that needs to change, and not see him
as the enemy- out there, the symbol of all that's bad, and
evil and dangerous. In need of HIS mind being changed. If "I
AM responsible for what I see...(etc)" as the course teaches.
Of course, there's also the idea of me changing my mind and
not seeing "others" seeing him as the enemy, and his mind in
need of changing. But, this is just offered here for possible
discussion. So much of it goes on on the "Christian" groups,
where prayers are asked in order to manipulate someone or
something a certain way. Like "pray that my lazy no good son
in law takes this job he is offered but doesn't really want!"
(just an example not actual fact (LOL) Like who is to say what
someone else should or shouldn't do, and ask others to join in
prayer (mind control) to somehow push the person into it? Back
to Bin Laden, I once read the story of the scapegoat, as told
in the bible. How back in that time, people would get together
once a year, and symbolically pile their problems and debts and
troubles, etc onto a goat... then drive the goat out into the
desert and stone it to death. Getting rid of all the stuff they
didn't want, in a symbolic way. No concern for the poor goat...
That, supposedly, is how the term "scapegoat" came about. And
seeing enemies, and people "out there" to dump everything we
don't like and feel good about on- symbolically, and then
killing them (for real) seems to still be going on. The course
calls this projection. Actually psychiatry also speaks of it,
calling it "transference". Though it doesn't usually get to
the point of actually killing someone, in the material sense.
You see your issues and where you need healing "out there" in
someone else, and at some point, realize this and where the
problems really are. There are probably laws now about doing
it to goats. So many people now feel so much better this one
man has been killed and his body dumped into the ocean. After
almost 10 years, and a trillian dollars, and 42,000 or so
Americans killed or wounded, and several countries destroyed.
All for the killing (destroying the body of) this one man. The
world of illusion really is insane.

By its own standards, America is much more 'Evil' than OBL
ever dreamed of being.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq,
Somalia...
It's killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who
weren't doing anything but living in their own country.
Just for starters.
You ought to pray for your own criminal country, the
world's leading purveyor of terrorism.
--
Sidney Lambe / Evergreen - usenet4444 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Solitaire Wiccan Priest - Spellsinger Wiccahttp://tinyurl.com/63zc9bh-http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
All will be well. All manner of things will be well.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Hey, Sidney. Fuck you. Love, Mike

[Carrie]

"Michael Harcourt" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hey, Sidney. Fuck you. Love, Mike

Reminds me of a funny story I remember from a decade ago (time flies on the
internet) on a course discussion group. Might have been marianne.com This
one woman got mad and wrote a long post, going over everyone and their
faults (as she perceived them) and posted it. Not remembering (or maybe
caring) she had a signature set up that came on every post "bless you Child
of God"
It came across so funny, it was like she was saying to everyone "fuck
you" but oh yeah, "bless you Child of God".
Well, it seemed funny at the time LOL

[Michael Harcourt]

Post by Carrie
news:b5f1db48-0551-4a8c-b4e7-
Hey, Sidney.  Fuck you.  Love, Mike
 Reminds me of a funny story I remember from a decade ago (time flies on the
internet) on a course discussion group. Might have been marianne.com  This
one woman got mad and wrote a long post, going over everyone and their
faults (as she perceived them) and posted it. Not remembering (or maybe
caring) she had a signature set up that came on every post "bless you Child
of God"
   It came across so funny, it was like she was saying to everyone "fuck
you" but oh yeah, "bless you Child of God".
    Well, it seemed funny at the time LOL

I was probably there. How have you been?

[Carrie]

Post by Carrie
news:b5f1db48-0551-4a8c-b4e7-
Hey, Sidney. Fuck you. Love, Mike
Reminds me of a funny story I remember from a decade ago (time flies on the
internet) on a course discussion group. Might have been marianne.com This
one woman got mad and wrote a long post, going over everyone and their
faults (as she perceived them) and posted it. Not remembering (or maybe
caring) she had a signature set up that came on every post "bless you Child
of God"
It came across so funny, it was like she was saying to everyone "fuck
you" but oh yeah, "bless you Child of God".
Well, it seemed funny at the time LOL

I was probably there. How have you been?

You probably were. Not sure if it was marianne's boards or one of the spin
off ones that started up after. Jade (Renee) had some and Nancy. I'm okay,
same old same old LOL Another day, month, year gone by. These discussion
boards and groups were great for learning. Are... the potential is there.